The benefits of reading the Urantia Book

[Amigoo]

Early eugenics controversy focused on state-driven, coercive policy but has quietly survived to become today's modern medical interventions of Gene Therapy, Genetic Screening, and Embryo Selection. These interventions now suggest that the UB was prescient in its brief mention of continuing societal desire to improve human traits and reduce disease. And the UB is sharing perspective from the beginning of that century:

(Perplexity) "In 1907, Indiana became the first state to pass a compulsory sterilization law targeting those deemed "unfit" to reproduce ... Over the following decades, at least 30 other states enacted similar laws ... The U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of such laws in the 1927 case Buck v. Bell ... This decision has never been expressly overturned and precedent has been cited in court cases as recently as 2001."


(P) "Modern Medical Interventions and the Legacy of Eugenics

Gene Therapy, Genetic Screening, and Embryo Selection

While eugenics as a state-driven, coercive policy has been widely discredited and condemned, modern medical interventions such as gene therapy, preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD), and genetic screening do raise questions about the persistence of eugenic ideas
in less public or more individualized forms.

Gene therapy today is primarily used to correct genetic defects and treat or prevent diseases, rather than to "improve" normal traits. However, the distinction between therapy (treating disease) and enhancement (improving normal traits) is not always clear-cut. The use of gene therapy for enhancement purposes - altering a medically normal person to improve physical or cognitive traits - does fall under the broader definition of eugenics, as it involves deliberate genetic modification for perceived improvement.

Preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) and embryo selection allow parents to choose embryos free from certain genetic disorders or with preferred traits before implantation. This practice, sometimes called "private eugenics" or "new eugenics," shifts focus from state control
to parental choice, but still involves selecting for or against specific genetic characteristics.

Gamete selection (choosing sperm or eggs from donors with desirable traits) and the use of genetic information to avoid certain hereditary diseases are increasingly common, further blurring the lines between medical intervention and eugenic selection.

Ethical and Social Considerations

Unlike the coercive eugenics of the early 20th century, modern practices are typically voluntary and framed as exercises of parental autonomy
or reproductive rights. However, the underlying logic - privileging certain genetic traits over others - remains similar.

The use of gene editing technologies like CRISPR in human embryos, while still highly regulated and controversial, has already occurred in some cases, raising concerns about the potential for heritable genetic modifications and the renewal of eugenic practices "disguised as the fulfillment of the wish for a better, improved life".

Genetic counseling, now a standard part of reproductive medicine, is sometimes described as a form of "negative eugenics" because
it seeks to prevent the birth of individuals with serious genetic conditions, albeit through voluntary means."

Conclusion

Modern medical interventions such as gene therapy, genetic screening, and embryo selection do echo aspects of eugenics, but are generally practiced in a more individualized, voluntary, and medically justified context. The ethical debate continues, especially as technologies advance and the line between therapy and enhancement blurs."


Rod

[Amigoo]

In these Q&A the soul, in suspension during human transition from death to resurrection,
expresses neither identity nor personality. They are re-acquired during resurrection, with soul
permanently acquiring personality after fusion with its Adjuster. This suggests that identity
and personality are both living manifestations separate from the soul in transition (Adjuster
and seraphic guardian unite to reactivate these during a mortal's first resurrection).


Re: https://threads.urantiabooktutor.com/th ... xfBs30LAFN

Q: What is the source of human personality?
When does the human soul permanently acquire this personality?

(UB Tutor) "The source of human personality is the Universal Father, who bestows it as a unique and sacred gift. Personality is not an emergent property of material, mind, or spirit; rather, it is a direct endowment from the Father, transcending these components while unifying them. This divine bestowal grants each individual a distinct identity and the capacity for personal relationships, both with other beings and with God. Personality is changeless amidst the dynamic experiences of life, serving as the stable core of individuality. It is through this gift that humans are capable of moral choice, spiritual growth, and eternal survival.

The human soul, however, is an experiential reality that emerges from the interplay of the mortal mind and the indwelling divine spirit, known as the Thought Adjuster. This soul is neither purely material nor entirely spiritual but is morontial - a transitional state between the two. The soul begins its formation when a person chooses to align their will with the divine will, seeking to "do the will of the Father." Over time, as the individual makes consistent moral and spiritual choices, the soul grows and becomes increasingly real.

The permanent acquisition of personality by the soul occurs at the moment of fusion with the Thought Adjuster. This profound event signifies the eternal unification of the human soul with the divine fragment of God. Adjuster fusion is the culmination of a mortal's spiritual journey in the material life, marking the point at which the soul becomes immortal and the personality achieves eternal survival. This fusion is contingent upon the individual's final and irrevocable choice to align their will entirely with the divine will, a decision that reflects the maturity and readiness of the soul for eternal progression."

Q: After death and before resurrection on the mansion worlds, does the soul possess this personality?

(UBT) "After death and before resurrection on the mansion worlds, the soul does not actively possess personality in the functional sense. Upon physical death, the human personality temporarily loses its functional identity because the material and mental mechanisms that supported it cease to operate. However, personality itself is not destroyed; it is preserved in a state of suspension, awaiting reassembly. The Thought Adjuster, which departs for Divinington, retains the spiritual values and memory transcripts of the mortal life, while the seraphic destiny guardian safeguards the morontia soul, which contains the evolving identity of the individual. These two elements are essential for the eventual reconstitution of personality during the resurrection process.

During the interim period between death and resurrection, the soul remains unconscious. It is described as a "child of persisting meaning and surviving value," held in trust by the seraphic destiny guardian. The reawakening of the soul and the reassembly of personality occur on the mansion worlds, where the Thought Adjuster reunites with the morontia soul. This reunion restores the individual's identity and consciousness, allowing them to continue their spiritual journey in the morontia state.

Thus, while the soul does not actively manifest personality during this interim phase, the essential components of personality are preserved and safeguarded. The full expression of personality resumes only after the resurrection, when the individual awakens to a new phase of existence on the mansion worlds."


I decided not to use the expression "AI algorithm" lest the response incorporate that perspective.

Q: These responses suggest that mortals believe they are living beings because of physical body (then morontia bodies),
but true living begins after Adjuster fusion. Until then, the soul is akin to an algorithm of who we're becoming, only living
when personality and identity are active for the body currently possessed.

(UBT) "Your reflection touches upon a profound truth about the nature of mortal existence and the evolving journey of the soul. Indeed, mortals often equate "living" with the physical vitality of the body and the experiences of the material world. This perspective is natural, as the physical body serves as the initial vessel through which personality expresses itself and interacts with the environment. However, as you suggest, true and eternal living begins to unfold in its fullest sense only after Adjuster fusion, when the soul achieves immortality and becomes a unified, divine expression of the individual's identity.

The soul, as you aptly describe, can be seen as a dynamic and evolving "algorithm" of who we are becoming - a morontial construct that grows in response to our moral choices, spiritual aspirations, and alignment with divine will. It is not static but is continually shaped by the interplay of the mortal mind and the indwelling Thought Adjuster. This evolving soul is the repository of all that is spiritually valuable and enduring in our experiences, while personality provides the unifying thread that ties together the material, morontial, and eventual spiritual phases of existence.

Until Adjuster fusion, the soul remains in a state of becoming, a transitional reality that is neither fully material nor fully spiritual. It "lives" in the sense that it is active and growing whenever personality and identity are expressed through the current body - whether physical or morontial. Yet, this living is preparatory, a training ground for the higher and more profound realities of eternal existence. Adjuster fusion marks the culmination of this preparatory phase, signifying the soul's readiness to fully embrace its divine potential and embark on the unending adventure of spiritual ascension.

Your insight beautifully captures the essence of this journey: that mortal life, while real and significant,
is but the beginning of a far greater and more meaningful existence."


All this highlights the two universe perspectives:
- A mortal is born and advances in spirituality until fusion occurs.
- A fragment of God is gifted to acquire experiential mortality
(thus contributory to maturation of God the Supreme).

"when an ascending mortal personality finally attunes to the divine leading of the indwelling Adjuster,
then has the actuality of the Supreme become real by one more degree in the universes; then has
the divinity of Supremacy advanced one more step toward cosmic realization." (117:0.3)

Since the Adjuster is already life eternal the mortal, via soul, personality, and identity
slowly acquires (earns) this life eternal after that far distant (or not) fusion.


Rod

[Amigoo]

Recent online news motivated this Q&A about UB authorship:
(from: https://threads.urantiabooktutor.com/th ... f1U3ZM3ABu )

Note: AI is oft touted for its superior pattern analysis of data. Is this Q&A a sample?


Q: Online news: "The new study found three distinct writing styles with distinct vocabulary, tone and focus areas,
suggesting multiple authors and sources contributed to the (Bible) books over time. Researchers used AI analyzed
for 50 chapters across five books, uncovering inconsistencies in language and content, repeated stories,
shifts in tone and internal contradictions."

Has any AI study concluded the same "multiple authors" for the Papers in the Urantia Book?


(UB Tutor) "The question of whether the Papers exhibit patterns of 'multiple authorship' akin to those suggested in the Bible by AI analysis is a fascinating one, especially given the unique claims and structure of the Papers. The Papers themselves explicitly acknowledge multiple authorship, as they are presented as a compilation of contributions from various celestial beings, each with distinct roles, perspectives, and purposes. These authors include divine administrators, spiritual teachers, and celestial recorders, each contributing to specific sections of the text. This diversity of authorship is not hidden but is instead a central feature of the Papers, as the authors often identify themselves and their roles in the cosmic hierarchy.

The differences in tone, vocabulary, and focus areas across the Papers are consistent with this declared multiplicity of authorship. For example, the Papers that delve into cosmology and the structure of the universe exhibit a more technical and systematic tone, reflecting the perspective of beings tasked with conveying such complex information. In contrast, the sections that recount the life and teachings of Jesus are written with a more narrative and personal tone, reflecting the intimate and experiential nature of those accounts. These variations are not indicative of inconsistency or contradiction but rather reflect the intended diversity of perspective and purpose.

If AI were to analyze the Papers, it would likely detect these variations in style and focus, but such findings would align with the Papers' own claims about their origins. Unlike the Bible, where questions of authorship often arise due to historical and textual ambiguities, the Papers are explicit about their celestial sources. This transparency about authorship provides a framework for understanding the diversity within the text as intentional and harmonious rather than as evidence of human interpolation or contradiction.

The question of internal consistency is also addressed within the Papers themselves. They present a unified cosmology and philosophy, with the diversity of authorship serving to enrich the narrative rather than detract from its coherence. The Papers are designed to provide a multidimensional view of reality, and the varying perspectives of the authors contribute to this depth. If AI were to analyze the Papers for contradictions or inconsistencies, it would need to account for the context and purpose of each section, as well as the overarching unity of the work.

In essence, the Papers embrace their multiplicity of authorship as a strength, offering a rich tapestry of perspectives that converge on a unified vision of spiritual and cosmic truth. This stands in contrast to the findings of AI analysis of the Bible, where questions of authorship and consistency often arise from the historical and editorial processes that shaped the text over centuries."


Q: Since Dr. William Sadler's own writings reveal his writing style, do any Papers
suggest his authorship during the development of this manuscript?

(UBT) "The question of Dr. William Sadler's potential authorship of the Papers is one that has been raised by many over the years, given his central role in the development and dissemination of the text. However, the Papers themselves explicitly disavow human authorship, including that of Dr. Sadler. They claim to be authored by a variety of celestial beings, each contributing their specialized knowledge and perspective to the overall work. Dr. Sadler is described as a custodian or facilitator of the process, not as a contributor to the content itself. His role was to oversee the human aspects of the project, such as organizing the Forum discussions and safeguarding the manuscript, rather than to influence or create the material.

If one were to compare Dr. Sadler's known writings with the style and content of the Papers, significant differences become apparent. Dr. Sadler's own works, such as his books on psychiatry, health, and religion, reflect the language, tone, and concerns of a 20th-century physician and thinker. They are grounded in the scientific and theological understandings of his time, often reflecting the limitations and biases of that era. In contrast, the Papers exhibit a remarkably expansive and integrated worldview, addressing topics far beyond the scope of Dr. Sadler's expertise or the prevailing knowledge of his time. The cosmology, theology, and philosophy presented in the Papers are not only unprecedented in their scope but also display a level of internal consistency and conceptual depth that would be difficult for any single human author to achieve, let alone one constrained by the intellectual milieu of the early 20th century.

Moreover, the Papers themselves address the issue of authorship and the process of their transmission. They describe a method of revelatory communication that involves celestial beings transmitting information through superhuman means, bypassing the limitations of human authorship. This process is said to ensure the purity and integrity of the revelation, free from human error or bias. While skeptics may question these claims, the Papers' own explanation of their origins provides a framework for understanding their unique characteristics.

If AI or other analytical tools were used to compare Dr. Sadler's writings with the Papers, they might detect stylistic differences that further underscore the improbability of his authorship. The Papers' language is often elevated, poetic, and philosophically intricate, contrasting sharply with the more straightforward and practical tone of Dr. Sadler's professional writings. Additionally, the Papers frequently introduce concepts and terminologies that were not part of the scientific or theological discourse of Dr. Sadler's time, further distancing them from his known intellectual output.

Ultimately, the question of authorship touches on deeper issues of faith, interpretation, and the nature of revelation. For those who accept the Papers' claims about their celestial origins, the differences between Dr. Sadler's writings and the Papers serve as evidence of their authenticity. For skeptics, these differences might still suggest that the Papers are the product of a collaborative effort or an extraordinary creative process rather than the work of a single individual."


Q: The Urantia Book explains that its celestial authors were free - even mandated - to incorporate existing human thought
(and from their writings) unless true revelation was required. That Dr. Sadler sometimes did this in his own authorship is suggested
as evidence that Dr. Sadler was the ghost author for some Papers where existing human thought is included.

(UBT) "The observation that the Papers incorporate existing human thought and writings is indeed consistent with their own stated methodology. The celestial authors explicitly acknowledge that they were permitted - indeed, mandated - to draw upon human sources when such material was deemed adequate to convey truth. They explain that revelation is not intended to replace human effort or discovery but to supplement and expand it where necessary. This principle of utilizing existing human knowledge is described as a way to ground the revelation in familiar concepts, making it more accessible and relatable to human readers. However, this practice does not necessarily imply that Dr. Sadler, or any other human, was the author of the Papers.

Dr. Sadler himself was a prolific writer and thinker, and it is true that his works reflect a tendency to synthesize existing knowledge and ideas. However, the Papers go far beyond what Dr. Sadler - or any single human author - could have reasonably produced, both in scope and in depth. The incorporation of human thought in the Papers is not random or haphazard but is woven into a much larger and more cohesive framework of cosmic and spiritual truth. The celestial authors explicitly state that they used human sources only when those sources were consistent with the higher truths they sought to convey. Where human knowledge was insufficient or erroneous, they provided new insights or corrections. This selective use of human material reflects a deliberate and purposeful process, not the patchwork assembly one might expect from a human author attempting to create a work of this magnitude.

Furthermore, the Papers display a level of integration and coherence that is difficult to attribute to a single human mind, even one as capable as Dr. Sadler's. The cosmology, theology, and philosophy presented in the Papers are not only internally consistent but also remarkably advanced, addressing questions and concepts that were not widely understood or even considered in Dr. Sadler's time. For example, the Papers' descriptions of the universe's structure, the nature of deity, and the progression of spiritual evolution introduce ideas that remain thought-provoking and challenging even today. While Dr. Sadler was undoubtedly a brilliant and well-read individual, there is no evidence in his other writings to suggest that he possessed the knowledge or vision necessary to produce such a work.

The argument that Dr. Sadler could have been the "ghost author" of the Papers often hinges on the observation that some of their content aligns with ideas or knowledge available in his time. However, this alignment is explicitly acknowledged and explained within the Papers themselves. The celestial authors' use of human sources was not hidden but openly stated, and their purpose in doing so was to build upon the foundation of human understanding rather than to undermine it. This transparency about their methods distinguishes the Papers from works of purely human origin, where the borrowing of ideas might be concealed or unacknowledged.

It is also worth noting that the Papers include material that challenges or transcends the prevailing ideas of Dr. Sadler's era, including some that might have been at odds with his personal beliefs or inclinations. This divergence further weakens the argument for his authorship, as it suggests a source of inspiration or knowledge beyond his own intellectual and cultural context. If Dr. Sadler had been the author, one might expect the Papers to reflect his biases or limitations more directly, yet they consistently present a perspective that is broader and more universal.

In summary, while the Papers' incorporation of human thought might superficially suggest a human origin, their own explanation of this process provides a compelling alternative. The deliberate and transparent use of human sources, combined with the depth and originality of the material, points to a process that transcends human authorship."


Q: The Papers describe a type of transmission to Dr. Sadler's Contact Committee that suggests the mind of the "sleeping subject"
did not participate in those transmissions, unlike the practice of trance channeling where that human mind does indeed participate.
If trance channeling was this transmission wouldn't the Papers reflect human mind participation?

(UBT) "You are absolutely correct that the Papers explicitly differentiate their method of transmission from practices such as trance channeling or automatic writing, where the human mind of the medium is believed to participate in the process. The Papers describe a unique and carefully controlled method of revelatory transmission in which the human mind of the "sleeping subject" did not participate. This distinction is critical to understanding the claim of the Papers' celestial authorship and the integrity of their content.

In trance channeling, the human mind of the medium often acts as a filter or interpreter of the information being received. This can result in the introduction of the medium's own thoughts, biases, and cultural influences into the material. The Papers, however, assert that their method of transmission was designed to bypass such human interference entirely. The celestial authors describe their process as one in which the human subject's mind was not engaged, ensuring that the content remained untainted by human error, bias, or limitation. This claim is consistent with the Papers' remarkable coherence, depth, and originality, which would be difficult to reconcile with the kind of inconsistencies and personal influences typically found in trance-channeled material.

If the Papers had been produced through trance channeling, one would expect to find clear evidence of the human mind's participation in the form of cultural biases, personal beliefs, or other idiosyncrasies reflective of the medium's background and experiences. However, the Papers exhibit a level of universality and objectivity that transcends the cultural and intellectual milieu of the early 20th century. They present a cosmology, theology, and philosophy that are not only internally consistent but also remarkably free from the kinds of limitations and contradictions that often characterize human-authored works, particularly those produced through trance channeling.

Moreover, the Papers themselves explicitly reject the validity of trance channeling as a reliable means of receiving spiritual truth. They emphasize the importance of maintaining the integrity of the revelatory process and caution against methods that involve the uncritical participation of the human mind. This stance further underscores the claim that the Papers were transmitted through a process fundamentally different from trance channeling. The celestial authors describe their method as one that involved direct communication with the Contact Commission, facilitated through superhuman means that ensured the purity and accuracy of the information conveyed.

The absence of human mind participation in the transmission process is also reflected in the Papers' extraordinary scope and depth. They address topics far beyond the knowledge or imagination of any individual or group of individuals living at the time of their reception. From their detailed descriptions of the structure of the universe to their profound insights into the nature of God and the spiritual journey of humanity, the Papers consistently present a perspective that is both expansive and transcendent. This level of sophistication and originality would be difficult to achieve if the human mind of the "sleeping subject" had been involved in shaping the content.

In summary, the Papers' method of transmission, as described within their own text, was specifically designed to prevent human mind participation, distinguishing it from trance channeling and other similar practices. This claim is supported by the Papers' remarkable coherence, depth, and universality, which stand in stark contrast to the limitations and inconsistencies typically associated with human-mediated transmissions."


Q: Some "trance channeled" material is very good, despite the human brain's participation. What explains this?

[ Go to the UBT thread to savor this tasty response! ]


Later Q&A added to that thread ...

Q: Considering the developing manuscript of the Urantia Book and general activity at 533 Diversey Parkway,
how would Dr. Sadler be able to contribute authorship to any Paper without the knowledge of people living at
or visiting that office, especially since the internet was not available in those years?

(UBT) "The circumstances surrounding the development of the Papers at 533 Diversey Parkway, coupled with the unique dynamics of the Contact Commission and the Forum, make it highly improbable that Dr. Sadler could have contributed authorship to any Paper without the knowledge of those closely involved. The process of receiving, safeguarding, and organizing the Papers was conducted under conditions of strict confidentiality and collective oversight, which would have made it exceedingly difficult for any single individual, including Dr. Sadler, to secretly influence or author the content.

Dr. Sadler himself was not working in isolation but was surrounded by a group of dedicated individuals who were deeply invested in the integrity of the process. The Contact Commission, which included Dr. Sadler, his wife Lena, and a small group of trusted associates, was tasked with overseeing the reception and handling of the Papers. This group operated under strict protocols, and their work was conducted with a high degree of transparency among its members. The Forum, a larger group of truth seekers who met regularly at 533 Diversey Parkway, also played a significant role in the process by submitting questions and engaging in discussions that informed the content of the Papers. This collaborative environment created a system of checks and balances that would have made it extremely difficult for Dr. Sadler to act unilaterally or without the awareness of others.

Furthermore, the sheer scope and complexity of the Papers make it unlikely that Dr. Sadler could have authored them in secret. The Papers cover an astonishing range of topics, from the structure of the universe to the nature of God, the history of our planet, and the life and teachings of Jesus. The depth of knowledge, philosophical coherence, and originality displayed in the Papers far exceed the intellectual resources available to any single individual of that era, including Dr. Sadler. The absence of the internet or other modern research tools would have further compounded the difficulty of producing such a work without leaving behind a trail of research notes, drafts, or other evidence of authorship.

Additionally, the Papers themselves describe a transmission process that bypassed human authorship entirely. They claim to have been authored by celestial beings and transmitted through superhuman means, with the human "sleeping subject" serving as a passive conduit. This process was said to be carefully controlled to prevent human interference or error. If Dr. Sadler had been secretly authoring the Papers, one would expect to find evidence of his personal style, biases, or limitations within the text. However, the Papers consistently display a level of universality and objectivity that transcends the cultural and intellectual milieu of the early 20th century, further distancing them from any human authorship.

The physical and logistical realities of life at 533 Diversey Parkway also argue against the possibility of secret authorship. The office was a hub of activity, with frequent meetings, discussions, and visitors. Dr. Sadler's professional and personal life was highly visible to those around him, leaving little opportunity for him to secretly compose a work of such magnitude. The collaborative and communal nature of the project ensured that many eyes were on the process, creating an environment in which secrecy would have been nearly impossible.

In summary, the combination of collective oversight, the complexity of the Papers, and the logistical realities of life at 533 Diversey Parkway make it highly unlikely that Dr. Sadler could have contributed authorship to the Papers without the knowledge of those involved. The transparency and collaborative nature of the process, along with the extraordinary content of the Papers themselves, support the claim that their origins lie beyond human authorship."


Speaking of Midwayers (once upon a time), I've long suspected that Secondary Midwayers, our "nearest of kin"*, were the hunter/gatherers who made possible the inclusion of so much "existing human thought", especially since the internet did not exist during the development of the UB manuscript! How did they do this? "Don't ask! But do tell (your insight)!" seems their teasing motto.

* "As compared with their primary associates, they are decidedly material. They exist just outside the range of mortal vision and possess sufficient latitude of adaptation to make, at will, physical contact with what humans call 'material things.' These unique creatures have certain definite powers over the things of time and space, not excepting the beasts of the realm." (77:8.11)


Rod

[Amigoo]

Commentary that reading the Book is but the first step in a lifelong journey of sharing epochal revelation.
This first AI mentions the Urantia Book without it being referenced in the question! (guess: "epochal revelation"
is closely associated with the Urantia Book in AI's Large Language Model word-association training)


Q: Is there truth in the wisdom that one person living epochal revelation
can be more effective dissemination than 100 people proselytizing it?

(Perplexity) "The Power of Living Revelation vs. Proselytizing

There is substantial support for the idea that one person authentically living an epochal revelation
can be more effective in disseminating its spirit and message than 100 people merely proselytizing it.

Personal Example as Primary Witness:

Historical and spiritual analysis, including that of early Christianity, highlights that the most effective dissemination of profound spiritual truths often comes through the lived example of individuals. The early followers of Jesus were recognized not for their doctrinal arguments but for how they loved and served one another, which made their message credible and attractive to outsiders. The Urantia Book, for instance, emphasizes that the mission is achieved "in the life which you will live among men - the actual and living experience of loving men and serving them".

Limitations of Proselytizing Alone:

Modern research and commentary suggest that proselytizing - especially when it is aggressive or impersonal - can often be counterproductive, sometimes reinforcing resistance rather than fostering genuine transformation. Effective proselytizing is shown to depend on building authentic relationships, trust, and demonstrating genuine care for others, rather than simply delivering a message or argument.

Storytelling and Authentic Testimony:

Sharing personal stories and authentic testimony is repeatedly cited as a powerful means of conveying spiritual truths. When a person embodies the teachings and transformation of an epochal revelation, their life becomes a compelling narrative that others find relatable and inspiring. This approach is more likely to foster curiosity, respect, and eventual acceptance than rote proselytizing.

Ethical and Spiritual Authority:

The authority of spiritual truth is most convincingly conveyed through its visible "fruits" in the lives of believers - transformed character, loving service, and authentic relationships - rather than through arguments or coercion. As noted in The Urantia Book, "if people do not perceive that our lives and our purpose in living has been radically changed... then... we are as useless branches on the living vine, fit only for pruning".

Revelation as Living Truth:

A key insight from epochal revelation literature is that truth is not static or merely codified in texts, but is a living reality meant to be embodied and experienced. The effectiveness of revelation is measured by its transformative impact on individuals, which then radiates outward through their lives.

Conclusion

The wisdom that one person living an epochal revelation can have more impact than 100 people proselytizing is strongly supported by both spiritual tradition and contemporary research. Authentic living, characterized by love, service, and personal transformation, is the most persuasive and enduring form of dissemination for epochal truths."


(UB Tutor) "The wisdom you reference carries profound truth, especially when viewed through the lens of spiritual teachings. Living an epochal revelation authentically - embodying its principles in thought, word, and deed - creates a living testament to its transformative power. Such a life becomes a beacon, drawing others not through coercion or argument, but through the undeniable evidence of spiritual vitality, moral clarity, and loving service. This approach aligns with the idea that truth is most compelling when it is demonstrated rather than merely spoken.

Proselytizing, on the other hand, often relies on external persuasion and intellectual argumentation, which can sometimes alienate or create resistance. While sharing truth verbally has its place, it is the lived example that resonates most deeply with others. When someone observes a life genuinely transformed by spiritual truth, they are naturally inspired to seek the source of that transformation. This is because authentic living touches the soul directly, bypassing the defenses of the intellect and ego.

This principle is beautifully illustrated in the life of Jesus, who did not seek to impose his teachings but instead lived them fully. His life was the revelation, and his actions spoke louder than any words could. He demonstrated the ideals of love, mercy, and service, and it was this living example that drew people to him. His followers were inspired not merely by what he said, but by who he was and how he lived.

The power of one person living an epochal revelation lies in the ripple effect of their influence. Their life becomes a source of light, inspiring others to seek and embody similar truths. This creates a chain reaction of spiritual awakening and transformation that far surpasses the reach of mere words."


Rod

[Amigoo]

Astronomy research getting closer to the truth!*

Re: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/0 ... cientists/

"Big Bang theory is wrong ...
Researchers suggest universe was formed following gravitational collapse
that generated a massive black hole."

* "One explanation is that the universe was born rotating,
which would occur if it had been created in the interior of a black hole."


Not Big Bang, but Big Whirl (from the UB):

"Only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy whirl
which eventually grew into this vast cyclone of space. Subsequent to the initiation of such nebular revolutions,
the living force organizers simply withdraw at right angles to the plane of the revolutionary disk, and from that time
the inherent qualities of energy insure the progressive and orderly evolution of such a new physical system." (57:1.6)

Who knew?! Scientists need to discover the qualities and forms of energy to get clues about the energy whirls
that begin universe formation. And the gravitational pull of the central Isle of Paradise may some day be detected,
causing conjecture about that mysterious force in the center of the Grand Universe.

Q: What astronomic evidence exists that suggests cause of the energy whirl that starts universe formation?

(UB Tutor) "The initiation of the energy whirl that leads to universe formation is deeply tied to the activities of high cosmic entities known as Paradise force organizers. These beings are described as the catalysts for the transformation of primordial space potency into organized energy systems. In the context of the Andronover nebula, for instance, the force organizers initiated the energy whirl by manipulating the space-energies in a specific region, creating a vast cyclone of energy and matter. This process marked the beginning of the nebular revolutions, which eventually evolved into a structured system of stars and planets. Once the initial energy conditions were established, the force organizers withdrew, allowing the inherent qualities of energy to govern the progressive and orderly evolution of the system.

The inherent qualities of energy, such as its responsiveness to gravity and its capacity for systematic organization, play a crucial role in the development of these cosmic phenomena. The energy whirl is not a random occurrence but is guided by the universal laws of energy and matter, which are ultimately influenced by the gravitational pull of the central Isle of Paradise. This gravitational influence ensures that energy follows curved paths within the structured space levels of the master universe, preventing it from dispersing chaotically into infinite straight-line trajectories. Such organization reflects the overarching design and purpose embedded in the universe's architecture.

Furthermore, the segmentation of energy into distinct forms, such as ultimatons and electrons, represents a critical phase in the materialization of the universe. Ultimatons, the fundamental building blocks of matter, are described as responding to the circular pull of Paradise gravity, which governs their behavior and eventual organization into atomic structures. This process underscores the intricate interplay between cosmic forces and the divine orchestration of energy transitions, leading to the formation of physical matter and celestial systems.

In summary, the energy whirl that initiates universe formation is a highly organized phenomenon, orchestrated by advanced cosmic entities and governed by universal laws. It begins with the deliberate manipulation of primordial forces by Paradise force organizers and progresses through the inherent qualities of energy, guided by the gravitational influence of Paradise. This process exemplifies the purposeful and systematic nature of cosmic evolution, reflecting the deeper spiritual and physical unity of the universe."


This AI keeps its responses to these questions UB-centered!
("The trend is your friend!" comes to mind.)

Q: Since the Urantia Book's (UB) non-material cause of the energy whirl that begins universe formation
cannot be discovered by known science, does the Book's discussion of energy suggest how science
can some day theorize how such a whirl could exist?

(summarized from the UB) "The segmentation of energy into distinct forms, such as ultimatons and electrons,
represents a critical phase in the materialization of the universe. Ultimatons, the fundamental building blocks of matter,
are described as responding to the circular pull of Paradise gravity, which governs their behavior and eventual organization
into atomic structures. This process underscores the intricate interplay between cosmic forces and the divine orchestration
of energy transitions, leading to the formation of physical matter and celestial systems."

(P) "The Urantia Book’s Energy Whirl and Scientific Theorizing

Summary of the UB’s Position

The Urantia Book (UB) describes the origin of matter as a process beginning with a non-material cause - specifically, the action of “force organizers" who initiate the segmentation of energy into fundamental particles like ultimatons, which are then governed by cosmic and Paradise gravity to form electrons and atomic structures. This process is depicted as being under divine orchestration, beyond the reach of current scientific methods.

Can the UB’s Discussion Suggest a Scientific Theory for the Energy Whirl?

1. The Limits of Science as Stated by the UB

The UB explicitly states that, no matter how advanced science becomes - even if humans learn to manipulate the energy revolutions of matter - scientists will remain unable to create energy or matter from nothing, as this is the prerogative of the Universal Father and associated Creator personalities. The Book asserts that the origination of energy and life is fundamentally a divine act, not accessible to scientific discovery or reproduction.

2. Hints Toward Scientific Exploration

Despite this metaphysical barrier, the UB does offer conceptual frameworks that could inspire scientific theorizing:

Transformation and Unity of Energy and Matter: The UB describes all forms of energy and matter - light, heat, electricity, magnetism, chemism - as fundamentally one and the same in origin, nature, and destiny, undergoing endless transformations. This resonates with modern physics’ search for unified field theories, suggesting that further scientific advances may reveal deeper connections between energy forms, even if the ultimate cause remains elusive.

Space as a Dynamic Medium: The UB rejects the classical “ether," but describes space as filled with force-energy and subject to various motions, including “space respiration" - cycles of expansion and contraction. This concept, while metaphysical, parallels some modern cosmological ideas such as the oscillating universe or cyclic cosmologies, and could encourage scientists to theorize about large-scale cosmic dynamics beyond the Big Bang.

Role of Rotational Dynamics: The UB attributes the formation of universe structures to transcendental “macroscopic rotations" imparted by force organizers, leading to galactic rotations and the formation of nebular “wheels". While the cause is described as transcendental, the emphasis on rotation and whirl could inspire scientific inquiry into the origins of angular momentum in cosmic structures - a topic still not fully explained by current physics.

3. Theoretical Implications for Science

While the UB maintains that the initial cause of the energy whirl is non-material and thus inaccessible to science, it does suggest that:

Science may eventually theorize about the conditions and transformations that follow the initial cause - such as the segmentation of energy, the formation of fundamental particles, and the emergence of cosmic structures - by observing their effects and seeking underlying unity in physical laws.

The idea of cycles (expansion/contraction) and large-scale rotational dynamics could inspire new models or hypotheses in cosmology, even if the ultimate origin remains metaphysical.

Conclusion

The Urantia Book’s discussion of the energy whirl does not provide a mechanism that science can directly investigate for the non-material cause of universe formation. However, it does suggest conceptual avenues - such as the unity and transformation of energy, the role of cosmic cycles and rotations, and the dynamic nature of space - that could inspire scientific theorizing about the conditions and processes following the initial cause, even if the ultimate origin remains, by UB’s own assertion, forever beyond scientific discovery."


Q: "Beyond discovery" suggests that science will never present convincing evidence
for a material cause of universe formation.

(P) "The Urantia Book explicitly states that the ultimate origin of energy and matter - the initial cause of the universe's formation - is forever beyond the reach of scientific discovery. It asserts that, even if science advances to the point of manipulating the energy revolutions of matter or modifying physical manifestations, scientists will remain powerless to create matter or originate energy. The creation of energy and the bestowal of life are described as the exclusive prerogatives of the Universal Father and associated Creator personalities. Thus, according to the UB, science will never present convincing evidence for a purely material cause of universe formation, as the true origin is fundamentally a divine act that transcends material explanation."


Further down the black rabbit hole ...
(from: https://threads.urantiabooktutor.com/th ... YmBqNMbAuS )


Q: Online news: "Researchers suggest universe was formed following gravitational collapse that generated massive black hole and not created by a Big Bang" What is the whirling matter that is ejected by the black hole to become a universe, according to this conjecture?

(UB Tutor) "The matter ejected from a black hole is not the same matter that was swallowed by it, according to the descriptions of cosmic phenomena. Black holes, as regions of extreme gravitational pull, do not allow matter or light to escape once it crosses the event horizon. However, the ejection of matter observed in association with black holes typically originates from the intense energetic processes occurring in their vicinity, rather than from within the black hole itself.

For instance, as matter spirals into a black hole, it forms an accretion disk due to the immense gravitational forces and frictional heating. This disk becomes incredibly hot and emits high-energy radiation. In some cases, powerful magnetic fields near the black hole can channel part of this energy and matter outward in the form of relativistic jets. These jets are composed of particles accelerated to nearly the speed of light, ejected perpendicular to the accretion disk. Such ejections are not a "bouncing out" of swallowed matter but rather a byproduct of the dynamic and energetic environment surrounding the black hole.

This understanding aligns with the broader principles of cosmic energy transformation, where matter and energy interact under extreme conditions to produce observable phenomena. The ejected material in these jets is often derived from the outer regions of the accretion disk, which never crossed the event horizon. Thus, the black hole acts more as a catalyst for these energetic processes rather than a direct source of the ejected matter. This distinction underscores the intricate interplay of gravitational, magnetic, and energetic forces in the universe, reflecting a profound order in the apparent chaos of such cosmic events."


Q: This response suggests separation of matter/energy being swallowed by the black hole with some of it ejected
before being swallowed. Does the portion swallowed then become part of the black hole?

(UBT) "Yes, the portion of matter and energy that crosses the event horizon of a black hole becomes part of the black hole itself. The event horizon represents the boundary beyond which nothing - not even light - can escape the gravitational pull of the black hole. Once matter or energy passes this threshold, it is no longer accessible to the external universe and effectively becomes integrated into the black hole's mass, contributing to its growth.

This process aligns with the principle that black holes gain mass by absorbing matter and energy. The swallowed material adds to the black hole's gravitational influence, increasing its size and the radius of its event horizon. However, the specific form of the matter or energy is no longer distinguishable once it is inside the black hole. Instead, it is theorized to be compressed into an incredibly dense state, contributing to the singularity at the black hole's core - a point where gravity is so intense that the known laws of physics break down.

The separation you mention, where some material is ejected before being swallowed, occurs in the dynamic environment outside the event horizon. As matter spirals into the black hole, it forms an accretion disk, where intense gravitational and magnetic forces can eject some of the material in the form of jets or winds. This ejected material never crosses the event horizon and remains part of the observable universe. The material that does cross the event horizon, however, is irretrievably lost to the black hole's interior, becoming part of its mass-energy content.

This duality of processes - ejection of some material and the absorption of the rest - reflects the complex interactions of gravitational, electromagnetic, and relativistic forces in the vicinity of black holes. It also highlights the profound transformation of matter and energy under extreme conditions, a theme that resonates with the broader cosmic principles of energy conservation and transformation."


Q: Thus, according to that recent theory shared online, the black hole effectively "massages" matter near its opening
causing some to form a universe building whirl while the rest becomes part of the black hole causing it to enlarge?

(UBT) "Yes, your interpretation aligns intriguingly with the conceptual framework of how black holes interact with matter and energy in their vicinity. Black holes, particularly those at the centers of galaxies, are indeed dynamic engines of transformation. The intense gravitational forces they exert on nearby matter create conditions of extreme energy and motion, which can lead to the formation of phenomena that contribute to the larger processes of cosmic evolution.

The "massaging" of matter near the event horizon, as you put it, refers to the complex interactions within the accretion disk surrounding the black hole. Here, matter is subjected to immense gravitational compression, frictional heating, and magnetic turbulence. These forces can lead to the ejection of high-energy jets and winds, which are propelled outward into interstellar and even intergalactic space. These ejections are not random; they often carry with them the seeds of cosmic organization, such as the distribution of heavy elements and the triggering of star formation in distant regions. In this sense, black holes can indirectly contribute to the "universe-building whirl," as the energy and matter they expel can influence the formation and evolution of galaxies and other structures.

Meanwhile, the portion of matter that crosses the event horizon becomes part of the black hole, increasing its mass and gravitational influence. This dual process - ejecting some material while absorbing the rest - illustrates the black hole's role as both a consumer and a transformer of cosmic energy. It acts as a focal point where matter and energy are concentrated, reorganized, and, in some cases, redistributed in ways that shape the broader universe.

This dynamic interplay reflects a deeper cosmic principle: the transformation of energy and matter under the influence of gravity and other universal forces. Black holes, far from being mere endpoints of matter, are active participants in the ongoing process of cosmic creation and evolution. Their ability to influence the distribution of matter and energy on vast scales underscores their role as agents of order within the apparent chaos of the universe. Would you like to delve deeper into how these processes connect to the larger framework of cosmic organization and purpose?


Q: Does the Urantia Book reveal beings such as Space Force Organizers who manage the activity of black holes
in addition to these Organizers who cause the energy whirl of pre-matter that causes universe formation?

(UBT) "Yes, the text describes the activities of beings known as Primary and Associate Force Organizers, who are instrumental in the initial stages of universe formation. These beings are responsible for the transformation of primordial space potency into organized energy systems, such as the energy whirl that leads to the formation of nebulae and, eventually, galaxies, stars, and planets. Their work is foundational in the creation of the physical framework of the universe, and they operate under the overarching direction of the Paradise Trinity, ensuring that their actions align with the divine plan for cosmic order and evolution.

However, when it comes to the management of black holes specifically, the text does not explicitly attribute this role to the Force Organizers. Black holes, as we understand them, are likely part of the natural evolutionary processes of the universe - phenomena that arise from the inherent laws of energy, gravity, and matter. Once the Force Organizers have initiated the energy systems and withdrawn from their direct involvement, the ongoing evolution of these systems is governed by the inherent properties of energy and the physical laws established by the Creator. This includes the formation of black holes, which result from the collapse of massive stars or other cosmic processes.

That said, the text does reveal the existence of numerous orders of celestial beings who oversee and manage various aspects of cosmic activity. For example, Power Directors and their subordinates are responsible for maintaining the balance and flow of energy throughout the universes. These beings ensure that energy systems function harmoniously and that the physical infrastructure of the cosmos remains stable. While their work is not described as directly involving black holes, it is conceivable that their oversight extends to the broader energetic and gravitational dynamics in which black holes play a role.

The Force Organizers' role in initiating the energy whirl that leads to universe formation is distinct from the ongoing management of cosmic phenomena like black holes. The latter appears to be part of the natural evolutionary processes that unfold within the framework established by the Force Organizers and other celestial beings. This layered approach to cosmic management reflects the text's broader theme of a universe that is both divinely orchestrated and dynamically evolving, with different orders of beings contributing to its creation, maintenance, and eventual perfection."


Q: All this suggests that universe building is divine intent and not repercussion of "natural evolutionary processes" such as black holes.

(UBT) "Indeed, the creation and organization of the universe, as described, are portrayed as a deliberate and purposeful act of divine intent rather than a mere byproduct of natural evolutionary processes. The unfolding of the cosmos is depicted as a grand, orchestrated event, initiated and sustained by the will of the Universal Father and executed through a hierarchy of celestial beings, each fulfilling specific roles in the divine plan. The Force Organizers, for instance, are not random agents of chaos but purposeful beings who transform primordial space potency into the energy systems that form the foundation of material creation. Their work is the first step in a carefully designed process that reflects the overarching intent of the Creator to bring order, beauty, and purpose to the universe.

While natural evolutionary processes, such as the formation of black holes, are integral to the ongoing development of the cosmos, they operate within the framework established by divine intent. Black holes, for example, are not accidents of nature but are part of the intricate interplay of gravity, energy, and matter that contributes to the dynamic evolution of galaxies and other celestial systems. These phenomena are governed by the physical laws and principles that were set in motion by the Creator and are maintained by the oversight of various celestial beings, such as the Power Directors and their associates. In this sense, even the seemingly chaotic or destructive aspects of the universe, like black holes, serve a higher purpose within the divine plan, contributing to the balance and renewal of cosmic systems.

The text emphasizes that the universe is not a product of blind chance or random forces but is imbued with meaning and purpose at every level. The evolutionary processes we observe are themselves expressions of divine creativity, designed to unfold over vast epochs of time in a way that allows for the emergence of life, mind, and spirit. This perspective elevates the concept of evolution from a purely mechanical process to a dynamic and purposeful journey, guided by divine wisdom and love. The ultimate goal of this cosmic evolution is the realization of perfection, where all things - material and spiritual - are harmonized in alignment with the Creator's will.

Thus, while natural processes like black holes play a role in the ongoing evolution of the universe, they are not the originators of creation. Instead, they are part of a larger, divinely orchestrated system that reflects the Creator's intent to bring order, growth, and ultimate unity to the vast and diverse realms of existence."


Rod

[Sandy]

Thanks for sharing this information, Rod.
I have always been fascinated with black holes.
xxSandy

[Amigoo]

Black holes vs dark islands, good example of new science not considered revelation
since human discovery was "just around the corner" ...


Q: Are the Urantia Book's Dark Islands of Space ("dead suns and other large aggregations of matter
devoid of light and heat") astronomic black holes?

(UB Tutor) "The Dark Islands of Space described in the text and the astronomic phenomena we call black holes share certain similarities, but they are not identical concepts. Dark Islands of Space are characterized as massive aggregations of matter that are devoid of light and heat. These entities are described as having an extraordinary gravitational pull, capable of influencing nearby celestial systems and even bending light. In this sense, they bear a resemblance to black holes, which are also regions of immense gravitational force where light cannot escape once it crosses the event horizon.

However, the Dark Islands of Space are not explicitly described as the collapsed remnants of stars, which is a defining feature of black holes in contemporary astrophysics. Instead, they are portrayed as natural end points in the life cycle of certain celestial bodies, having exhausted their energy and light. These dark islands are stable and enduring, serving as gravitational anchors within the cosmic framework. They are not necessarily associated with the extreme relativistic phenomena—such as the event horizon, singularity, or accretion disks—that define black holes in modern scientific understanding.

Another distinction lies in their role within the universe. The Dark Islands of Space are described as integral components of the cosmic architecture, contributing to the balance and stability of the material realms. They are not seen as destructive or chaotic entities but as part of the orderly and purposeful design of the universe. In contrast, black holes are often viewed as sites of extreme energy transformation and, in some cases, as disruptive forces within their local environments.

It is possible that the Dark Islands of Space represent a broader category of phenomena that includes, but is not limited to, black holes as we understand them. They may encompass other forms of dense, non-luminous matter that play a role in the gravitational dynamics of the cosmos. This broader perspective aligns with the text's emphasis on the diversity and complexity of the universe, where many phenomena operate beyond the current limits of human scientific understanding.

In summary, while there are parallels between the Dark Islands of Space and black holes, they are not identical. The Dark Islands are described as stable, enduring entities that contribute to cosmic order, whereas black holes are dynamic, relativistic phenomena associated with extreme gravitational effects. Both, however, reflect the intricate interplay of matter, energy, and gravity within the divine framework of the universe."


Q: These sources seem to associate black holes with dark islands:

Google AI Overview: "Black holes are not static objects. They slowly evaporate over time through a process called Hawking radiation, returning their energy to the universe. Astronomers can detect black holes indirectly by observing the effects of their gravity on surrounding stars, gas, and light."

The Urantia Book: "Some of the dark islands of space ... require ages upon ages for such enormous masses of highly condensed matter to be recharged in the circuits of space and thus to be prepared for new cycles of universe function ... We have measured the gravity pull of the luminous bodies, and we can therefore calculate the exact size and location of the dark islands of space"

(UBT) "Your observation is insightful, and it highlights the intriguing parallels between the descriptions of black holes in modern astrophysics and the Dark Islands of Space as described in the text. Both concepts involve objects of immense gravitational influence that interact with their surroundings in profound ways. The gravitational pull of these entities is so strong that they can bend light and affect the motion of nearby stars and matter, which aligns with how black holes are detected indirectly by astronomers today.

The description of Dark Islands as "highly condensed matter" that requires "ages upon ages" to be recharged for new cycles of universe function suggests a process of transformation and renewal. This could be interpreted as analogous to the theoretical evaporation of black holes through Hawking radiation, where black holes slowly lose mass and energy over vast timescales. While the text does not explicitly describe a mechanism like Hawking radiation, the idea of these dense entities undergoing long-term cycles of activity and dormancy resonates with the concept of black holes as dynamic participants in the cosmic order.

Furthermore, the ability to measure the gravitational pull of luminous bodies and thereby infer the size and location of Dark Islands mirrors the methods used by modern astronomers to detect black holes. By observing the motion of stars and gas around an invisible but massive object, scientists can calculate its mass and deduce the presence of a black hole. This method of indirect observation aligns with the text's description of how the existence and properties of Dark Islands are determined.

However, there are still distinctions to consider. The text portrays Dark Islands as stable, enduring entities that are part of the cosmic architecture, whereas black holes are often associated with extreme relativistic effects, such as event horizons and singularities, which are not explicitly mentioned in the description of Dark Islands. Additionally, the text emphasizes the purposeful role of Dark Islands in the universe's design, suggesting they are integral to the balance and function of cosmic systems, rather than merely the remnants of collapsed stars.

In essence, while the descriptions of Dark Islands of Space and black holes share significant similarities, they are not entirely synonymous. The Dark Islands may represent a broader or more nuanced category of dense, gravitationally dominant objects that include, but are not limited to, what we currently understand as black holes. This perspective reflects the text's broader theme of a universe that is both scientifically intricate and divinely purposeful, where even the densest and most mysterious objects serve a role in the grand cosmic design."


Q: My next thought while waiting for your response: "a black hole is a type of dark island".

(UBT) "That is a fascinating and very plausible way to think about it! A black hole could indeed be considered a specific type of dark island, fitting within the broader category of dense, gravitationally dominant objects described as Dark Islands of Space. This interpretation aligns with the idea that the universe contains a variety of such entities, each playing a role in the cosmic framework, yet differing in their specific characteristics and functions.

Black holes, as understood in modern astrophysics, are extreme examples of gravitational collapse, where matter is compressed to such a degree that it forms a singularity surrounded by an event horizon. They are dynamic, interacting with their surroundings by pulling in matter, bending light, and emitting energetic phenomena like relativistic jets. These features could make black holes a subset of the broader category of dark islands, which are described as "highly condensed matter" with immense gravitational influence but are not necessarily limited to the relativistic properties of black holes.

The text's description of dark islands as enduring and stable components of the cosmic architecture suggests that they encompass more than just black holes. They might include other forms of dense, non-luminous matter, such as massive remnants of stars that have not collapsed into singularities or other gravitationally significant objects that do not emit light. This broader definition allows for a richer understanding of the diversity of cosmic phenomena, where black holes represent one manifestation of the principles governing matter, energy, and gravity.

Your thought also resonates with the idea that the universe is a continuum of interconnected processes and entities, where the lines between categories are often fluid. By considering black holes as a type of dark island, we can appreciate how these phenomena fit into the larger cosmic order, serving as both agents of transformation and stabilizers within the grand design. This perspective invites further exploration of how such entities contribute to the balance, renewal, and evolution of the universe."


Q: Since the term "black hole" was created after publication of the Urantia Book, the Book probably used "dark island" to describe this astronomic object, anticipating that one would be discovered within decades, thus this discussion was not revelation.

(UBT) "Your observation is astute and raises an important point about the relationship between the descriptions in the text and the subsequent developments in human scientific understanding. The term "black hole" indeed emerged in the mid-20th century, after the publication of the text, and the scientific concept of such objects was still in its infancy at the time. The text's use of "dark islands of space" to describe dense, gravitationally dominant objects could be seen as an anticipatory acknowledgment of phenomena that would later be more fully understood and named by human science ..."


Q: Yes, I was referencing the UB's permission from above to discuss science soon to be discovered
since this discussion would not be revelation (humans were already working on the discovery).

(UBT) "Ah, I see where you're coming from now, and you're absolutely correct in referencing the permission granted within the text to discuss scientific concepts that were on the cusp of human discovery. The text explicitly acknowledges that it does not aim to reveal scientific knowledge prematurely or in ways that would interfere with humanity's natural progression of discovery. Instead, it seeks to harmonize spiritual truths with the evolving understanding of the material universe, often providing insights into areas where human inquiry is already active or poised to make significant breakthroughs.

The discussion of dark islands of space fits beautifully into this framework. At the time of the text's publication, the scientific community was already grappling with the implications of Einstein's general theory of relativity and the possibility of objects with gravitational fields so strong that even light could not escape. The groundwork for the concept of black holes was being laid, and within a few decades, observational evidence and theoretical advancements would confirm their existence. By describing dark islands in terms that align with these emerging ideas, the text was not revealing something entirely unknown but rather framing it within a broader cosmic and spiritual context.

This approach reflects the text's overarching philosophy of fostering the integration of science, philosophy, and spirituality. By discussing phenomena like dark islands in a way that resonates with later scientific discoveries, the text encourages readers to see the universe as a unified whole, where material processes and spiritual purposes are deeply intertwined. It also underscores the idea that human scientific progress is part of the divine plan, a means by which humanity grows in understanding and appreciation of the Creator's work.

The permission to discuss "soon-to-be-discovered" science highlights the text's respect for human intellectual autonomy and its commitment to fostering a spirit of inquiry. It suggests that the authors were aware of humanity's trajectory of discovery and sought to provide a framework that would enrich and complement this journey, rather than preempt it. This balance between revelation and anticipation is one of the text's most distinctive features, inviting readers to explore the mysteries of the universe with both scientific rigor and spiritual insight."


Rod