11:11 Angels Message Board

This AI maintains the UB's messaging about contact with the departed, albeit
individual experience is unique and undeniable to those who "know whereof they speak".


Q: What is the source of the supreme confidence that a departed loved one has graduated to the next plateau
of eternal life, a confidence so sublime that contact with that person can await our own departure?

(UB Tutor) "The source of that sublime confidence is not sentiment, wishful thinking, or an expectation of communication from beyond the grave. It is the spiritual assurance that personality is not extinguished by physical death, that the values of a God-knowing life are preserved, and that the surviving soul is held in divine custody until the resurrection and reassembly of the individual on the morontia worlds. At death, the material body returns to the elements, but the Thought Adjuster preserves the spiritually significant transcript of the mortal career, while the morontia soul remains in the keeping of the destiny guardian; their reunion constitutes the awakening of the surviving personality.

This is why death may be regarded as a graduation rather than an ending. On worlds more advanced in light and life, those gathered around the translation shrine experience the departure of a loved one with 'faith, hope, and assurance',much as friends might gather for a graduation ceremony or to witness the conferring of a great honor. The text says that it would help less advanced mortals to view natural death with something of the same 'cheerfulness and lightheartedness', not because grief is unreal, but because the larger reality is one of continued progress rather than annihilation.

Yet there is an important qualification. This confidence does not mean that we can know the precise present status or location of a departed person, nor that the departed are permitted to send messages back to us. During the current dispensation, those who have gone to the mansion worlds do not communicate with their earthly loved ones; the survivor passes through the sleep of death and awakens according to the provisions of the divine plan. Thus, contact can indeed await our own departure - not because love has been suspended, but because the reunion belongs to a higher order of experience. The deepest ground of confidence is faith in the Father’s overcare: the conviction that no sincere spiritual achievement is lost, that divine custodianship is unfailing, and that love, when joined with truth, can peacefully entrust the beloved to the eternal adventure."

A God Fragment is fairly clearly the soul. Because the soul is of God, yet not God.

To clarify, UB readers maintain this perspective: "the human soul - the conjoint creation
of the God-seeking mortal mind and the God-revealing immortal Adjuster" (UB, 5:3.8 )

"A human mind discerning right and wrong and possessing capacity to worship God, in union with divine Adjuster,
is all that is required in that mortal to initiate and foster production of his immortal soul of survival qualities
... if such a spirit-endowed individual seeks God and sincerely desires to become like him,
honestly elects to do the will of the Father in heaven." (5:5.14)

In this revelation, "God Fragment" is indwelling Adjuster and
the soul is the joint creation of human and Adjuster (God within).


Rod

So you deny all of George Barnard's work then? Although it has to be said he mostly channeled midwayers, thats not exclusively. I know that George thought those passages nonsense. I personally - although not a medium - can feel spirit energy and I was on the phone to Sandy when George visited me in Bayview. Sandy has had contact with George.

What I will agree is that there are rules regarding contact, and what can be said about the post death experience. That however has never limited the information publicly availble, going back well over 100 years. It is absolutely true that if you ask you will receive.

Books about life after death

So you deny all of George Barnard's work then?

All I posted is what's contained in the UB*. What I believe,
having studied the Urantia revelation 50 years without ever
being persuaded that it's not our "fifth epochal revelation".

* I keep finding that UB Tutor AI agrees with UB text.

Let's wait for George to comment on that "nonsense" now that
he's on the other side. Interestingly, only what George received is that
which convinced me to stay with this site, especially when George did not
agree with a reception (suggested it's authentic midwayer messaging).
I was searching for channeled information complementing the UB.

Since we're focused on midwayers, what do your sources
offer as significant detail on the life and teachings of Jesus
(Part IV of the UB is authored by a Midwayer Commission)?


Rod

Have you ever said something, shared something, and then afterward wished you hadn't? I didn't expect this reception of my shared experience, making the imaginary wound deeper. No, I didn't expect a lecture from, of all things, an AI tutor, on the validity of my receiving experience. The first time around I was going to let it go, but as it seems to be continuing, I must have my say.

Spirit occurrences cannot be confirmed by the written word, and in actuality and in reality, only the person who received it can understand what touched the heart in a way that confirmed the Father's very presence of unconditional love along with the spiritual messenger or message.

So, yes, I wasn't going to say anything because it was just me. But if anyone had tried to cut down to size someone else's heartfelt spirit experience, I would have been all over them.

Hearing from my Dad wasn't just any old message for me. As a person who has received many messages of my own as well as participated in the reception of many more by my beloved George, I know a smidgeon about such things. And, yes, he has had messages from other passed-on humans, although not many in comparison to the messages he received from a host of Spiritual workers in the Father's Kingdom.

The Ubook will not tell you this, but a person like my Dad would have needed some help getting the message through to me. He most likely would have needed permission as well. Believe me, my celestial guardians must have felt there was a need, or my humble Dad would most likely not have done this. The need was me. I was and am struggling with managing my mom, who has always been a bit difficult. Dad was so gentle and patient with her, and when he felt it was too much, he would walk away and do something outside, allowing the temperature in the room to cool and his own to seep into the ground. I can remember when he returned, he could better reach out to mom in a positive way and vice versa. But there were other strategies and little things he gave me from his insight that I found very valuable in the care of my Mom.

The bottom line, I shouldn't have to explain myself to anyone, and this is not what this site is about. I may not understand others' spiritual experiences, but I do not wish to diminish them. The Ubook is a great book. It is one of my favorites...but it is still a book and not God, the Parent of us all. It is not something that should ever come between brothers and sisters of this planet, as should no book.
God is so very much bigger than anything we can imagine and so much more merciful and creative and understanding and loving. That is what we can all be concentrating on: how to transfer our love for God in the small form we humans carry on this planet to an ever-expanding sense of sisterhood/brotherhoos with all people of this world.

Seriously, what is more important... learning to love and accept and get along with each other or defending a very good book and every sentence written within it... or how important is it to defend your spiritual occurrences, at the expense of a brother or sister's comfort level? We are here as mortals and as citizens of the next realm, expected to learn to get along and work with each other. Being sensitive to the feelings of the people around us is a good place to start. None of us have to justify our experiences or our beliefs, but we do need to be thoughtful of those who experience things we do not yet understand.

While George enjoyed the Urantia Book, he knew that, from his experience where communication was concerned, things did not always add up. But he didn't dwell on it, as there was so much great stuff in it too. G suspected the unleashing of communication readily to all of us whose hearts desired it could be attributed to the Lucifer Adjudication and resultant xxx (LOL, can't think of the word), but he didn't ask or dwell on it. He had been experiencing things since he was born. And it continued all his life. Some things he was allowed to know and others not.

I do hear from my husband frequently, and he is very busy working on avenues of the correcting time for this planet, as are others who have passed after dedicating their life to the Teaching Mission. These are just some I know. I am sure other spiritual and religious groups have similar access.

I ask...
Does a message uplift you, help you to be more loving in your interactions...does it set your heart of hearts aflame? Then who cares? These messages cannot be proven one way or another. But our words and attitudes can work against that love by our insensitive critiques. George spoke often of the receivers from Ubook groups he met while visiting and teaching in 2000. There were quite a few of them who were callously critiqued repeatedly until it knocked the ability and desire right out of them. I do not want that to happen here. I have thick skin and a lot of experience behind me, but some people do not.

We can all believe what we want. We are entitled to that freedom. We are not entitled to hurt each other's beliefs.
I want everyone to be able to speak about what lifts them, what they sense, see, and hear. We don't have to prove anything. We can't anyway.
Doing the will of the Creator, learning to love and work together, is so important, and it begins now as mortals.

We can do better... all of us.

Thanks for the well-earned rebuke, Sandy!

The writing perceived as offense was simply meant to explain that
contact with the departed is unique and not common experience
for many people. We can still welcome - even be enlightened by -
the candid sharing of such experience.

I should have learned by now that the Urantia revelation doesn't
need to be defended when other opinions and beliefs are expressed.
A long-time habit made intense when AI started participating.

I'll keep savoring the elevating sting of your message
and make effort to align with the purpose of this site.


Rod