My Introduction to Earth's Real History

[Amigoo]

This AI maintains the UB's messaging about contact with the departed, albeit
individual experience is unique and undeniable to those who "know whereof they speak".


Q: What is the source of the supreme confidence that a departed loved one has graduated to the next plateau
of eternal life, a confidence so sublime that contact with that person can await our own departure?

(UB Tutor) "The source of that sublime confidence is not sentiment, wishful thinking, or an expectation of communication from beyond the grave. It is the spiritual assurance that personality is not extinguished by physical death, that the values of a God-knowing life are preserved, and that the surviving soul is held in divine custody until the resurrection and reassembly of the individual on the morontia worlds. At death, the material body returns to the elements, but the Thought Adjuster preserves the spiritually significant transcript of the mortal career, while the morontia soul remains in the keeping of the destiny guardian; their reunion constitutes the awakening of the surviving personality.

This is why death may be regarded as a graduation rather than an ending. On worlds more advanced in light and life, those gathered around the translation shrine experience the departure of a loved one with 'faith, hope, and assurance',much as friends might gather for a graduation ceremony or to witness the conferring of a great honor. The text says that it would help less advanced mortals to view natural death with something of the same 'cheerfulness and lightheartedness', not because grief is unreal, but because the larger reality is one of continued progress rather than annihilation.

Yet there is an important qualification. This confidence does not mean that we can know the precise present status or location of a departed person, nor that the departed are permitted to send messages back to us. During the current dispensation, those who have gone to the mansion worlds do not communicate with their earthly loved ones; the survivor passes through the sleep of death and awakens according to the provisions of the divine plan. Thus, contact can indeed await our own departure - not because love has been suspended, but because the reunion belongs to a higher order of experience. The deepest ground of confidence is faith in the Father’s overcare: the conviction that no sincere spiritual achievement is lost, that divine custodianship is unfailing, and that love, when joined with truth, can peacefully entrust the beloved to the eternal adventure."

A God Fragment is fairly clearly the soul. Because the soul is of God, yet not God.

To clarify, UB readers maintain this perspective: "the human soul - the conjoint creation
of the God-seeking mortal mind and the God-revealing immortal Adjuster" (UB, 5:3.8 )

"A human mind discerning right and wrong and possessing capacity to worship God, in union with divine Adjuster,
is all that is required in that mortal to initiate and foster production of his immortal soul of survival qualities
... if such a spirit-endowed individual seeks God and sincerely desires to become like him,
honestly elects to do the will of the Father in heaven." (5:5.14)

In this revelation, "God Fragment" is indwelling Adjuster and
the soul is the joint creation of human and Adjuster (God within).


Rod

[Geoff]

So you deny all of George Barnard's work then? Although it has to be said he mostly channeled midwayers, thats not exclusively. I know that George thought those passages nonsense. I personally - although not a medium - can feel spirit energy and I was on the phone to Sandy when George visited me in Bayview. Sandy has had contact with George.

What I will agree is that there are rules regarding contact, and what can be said about the post death experience. That however has never limited the information publicly availble, going back well over 100 years. It is absolutely true that if you ask you will receive.

Books about life after death

[Amigoo]

So you deny all of George Barnard's work then?

All I posted is what's contained in the UB*. What I believe,
having studied the Urantia revelation 50 years without ever
being persuaded that it's not our "fifth epochal revelation".

* I keep finding that UB Tutor AI agrees with UB text.

Let's wait for George to comment on that "nonsense" now that
he's on the other side. Interestingly, only what George received is that
which convinced me to stay with this site, especially when George did not
agree with a reception (suggested it's authentic midwayer messaging).
I was searching for channeled information complementing the UB.

Since we're focused on midwayers, what do your sources
offer as significant detail on the life and teachings of Jesus
(Part IV of the UB is authored by a Midwayer Commission)?


Rod

[Sandy]

Have you ever said something, shared something, and then afterward wished you hadn't? I didn't expect this reception of my shared experience, making the imaginary wound deeper. No, I didn't expect a lecture from, of all things, an AI tutor, on the validity of my receiving experience. The first time around I was going to let it go, but as it seems to be continuing, I must have my say.

Spirit occurrences cannot be confirmed by the written word, and in actuality and in reality, only the person who received it can understand what touched the heart in a way that confirmed the Father's very presence of unconditional love along with the spiritual messenger or message.

So, yes, I wasn't going to say anything because it was just me. But if anyone had tried to cut down to size someone else's heartfelt spirit experience, I would have been all over them.

Hearing from my Dad wasn't just any old message for me. As a person who has received many messages of my own as well as participated in the reception of many more by my beloved George, I know a smidgeon about such things. And, yes, he has had messages from other passed-on humans, although not many in comparison to the messages he received from a host of Spiritual workers in the Father's Kingdom.

The Ubook will not tell you this, but a person like my Dad would have needed some help getting the message through to me. He most likely would have needed permission as well. Believe me, my celestial guardians must have felt there was a need, or my humble Dad would most likely not have done this. The need was me. I was and am struggling with managing my mom, who has always been a bit difficult. Dad was so gentle and patient with her, and when he felt it was too much, he would walk away and do something outside, allowing the temperature in the room to cool and his own to seep into the ground. I can remember when he returned, he could better reach out to mom in a positive way and vice versa. But there were other strategies and little things he gave me from his insight that I found very valuable in the care of my Mom.

The bottom line, I shouldn't have to explain myself to anyone, and this is not what this site is about. I may not understand others' spiritual experiences, but I do not wish to diminish them. The Ubook is a great book. It is one of my favorites...but it is still a book and not God, the Parent of us all. It is not something that should ever come between brothers and sisters of this planet, as should no book.
God is so very much bigger than anything we can imagine and so much more merciful and creative and understanding and loving. That is what we can all be concentrating on: how to transfer our love for God in the small form we humans carry on this planet to an ever-expanding sense of sisterhood/brotherhoos with all people of this world.

Seriously, what is more important... learning to love and accept and get along with each other or defending a very good book and every sentence written within it... or how important is it to defend your spiritual occurrences, at the expense of a brother or sister's comfort level? We are here as mortals and as citizens of the next realm, expected to learn to get along and work with each other. Being sensitive to the feelings of the people around us is a good place to start. None of us have to justify our experiences or our beliefs, but we do need to be thoughtful of those who experience things we do not yet understand.

While George enjoyed the Urantia Book, he knew that, from his experience where communication was concerned, things did not always add up. But he didn't dwell on it, as there was so much great stuff in it too. G suspected the unleashing of communication readily to all of us whose hearts desired it could be attributed to the Lucifer Adjudication and resultant xxx (LOL, can't think of the word), but he didn't ask or dwell on it. He had been experiencing things since he was born. And it continued all his life. Some things he was allowed to know and others not.

I do hear from my husband frequently, and he is very busy working on avenues of the correcting time for this planet, as are others who have passed after dedicating their life to the Teaching Mission. These are just some I know. I am sure other spiritual and religious groups have similar access.

I ask...
Does a message uplift you, help you to be more loving in your interactions...does it set your heart of hearts aflame? Then who cares? These messages cannot be proven one way or another. But our words and attitudes can work against that love by our insensitive critiques. George spoke often of the receivers from Ubook groups he met while visiting and teaching in 2000. There were quite a few of them who were callously critiqued repeatedly until it knocked the ability and desire right out of them. I do not want that to happen here. I have thick skin and a lot of experience behind me, but some people do not.

We can all believe what we want. We are entitled to that freedom. We are not entitled to hurt each other's beliefs.
I want everyone to be able to speak about what lifts them, what they sense, see, and hear. We don't have to prove anything. We can't anyway.
Doing the will of the Creator, learning to love and work together, is so important, and it begins now as mortals.

We can do better... all of us.

[Amigoo]

Thanks for the well-earned rebuke, Sandy!

The writing perceived as offense was simply meant to explain that
contact with the departed is unique and not common experience
for many people. We can still welcome - even be enlightened by -
the candid sharing of such experience.

I should have learned by now that the Urantia revelation doesn't
need to be defended when other opinions and beliefs are expressed.
A long-time habit made intense when AI started participating.

I'll keep savoring the elevating sting of your message and make effort
to align with the purpose of this site, letting AI "lectures" drift elsewhere.
This tri-holiday period (Thanksgiving - New Year's) will be a good time
to post less and just study how this site wants to be enjoyed.


Rod

[Sandy]

Hi Rod,
I apologize. I misunderstood your AI tutorial. It gets confusing for me...and sometimes posts go over my head, and I can't make heads or tail of it... Please forgive me; I don't want you to stop sharing your truth here because of my mistake. Everybody has the right to share their thoughts and opinions. My post was asking others to be careful around others' truths. Yet maybe I was wrong, as discussion and debate can be helpful as long as it doesn't get ugly and personal.
We live in trying times, and frankly, anything that lifts us and helps us to move forward is worthy of a "look-see" , even if it doesn't ring someone else's truth bells, so please keep posting your Urantia book info, etc... Geoff, please keep posting what you are learning; you two can work it out... and don't need me to get involved. Maybe it is a lesson for me... to lighten up? LOL. The Urantia Book is important to me too... but so are friendships...you and Geoff, etc. Those are what I find most important.

And maybe debates are healthy. I think what happens is I get uncomfortable and assume everyone else is, too. (It is my nature to want everyone to get along and everything "puppies and daisies". ) So please just ignore me.
Once again, I am so sorry for going all "sandy" on you. aiyiyi
xxSandy

[Amigoo]

Sandy,

No problem here ... except the three cans glued together to make a bird nest triplex.
It's hung in a distant tree but I now worry about wind blowing it and squirrels trying
to get at it. All this and it's still not rented

This was supposed to be solution to birds pecking a hole in my crepe myrtle tree
for their nest. Barbecue grill mesh finally stopped that, but apparently, "location,
location, location" is important even to bird nesting.

Who knew? Their next complaint: "Cats may like a hot tin roof but not us!"
(moved triplex to shady side of house ... with no rent due until next year)


Rod

[Geoff]

Hearing from my Dad wasn't just any old message for me. As a person who has received many messages of my own as well as participated in the reception of many more by my beloved George, I know a smidgeon about such things. And, yes, he has had messages from other passed-on humans, although not many in comparison to the messages he received from a host of Spiritual workers in the Father's Kingdom.

The Ubook will not tell you this, but a person like my Dad would have needed some help getting the message through to me. He most likely would have needed permission as well. Believe me, my celestial guardians must have felt there was a need, or my humble Dad would most likely not have done this. The need was me. I was and am struggling with managing my mom, who has always been a bit difficult. Dad was so gentle and patient with her, and when he felt it was too much, he would walk away and do something outside, allowing the temperature in the room to cool and his own to seep into the ground. I can remember when he returned, he could better reach out to mom in a positive way and vice versa. But there were other strategies and little things he gave me from his insight that I found very valuable in the care of my Mom.

..

While George enjoyed the Urantia Book, he knew that, from his experience where communication was concerned, things did not always add up. .....
I do hear from my husband frequently, and he is very busy working on avenues of the correcting time for this planet, as are others who have passed after dedicating their life to the Teaching Mission. These are just some I know. I am sure other spiritual and religious groups have similar access.

Dearest Sandy,

Thank you for sharing both of these. That you have heard from George a fair bit makes me very happy. That I have not, is no big deal since you have.

hugs
Geoff

[Geoff]

Since we're focused on midwayers, what do your sources
offer as significant detail on the life and teachings of Jesus
(Part IV of the UB is authored by a Midwayer Commission)?


Rod

Dear Rod,

I can't quote midwayers. I only know one other person who had the ability to see them, but was too scared to make contact. He recognised their energy is not the same as humans with highly developed souls - what the TUB might classify those beyond the mansion worlds, and which my guides call "Celestial". He is a person with a large degree of fear about going into dark holes, as it were. Unlike me. I might suffer from the reverse, lol.

But I have a whole book delivered by Judas on the Life of Jesus which is very different. It must be said THAT source has very little on the lost years, and another source I thought valuable quotes Anna, Jesus' grandmother. She it seems, was an Essene Master, but did not live in Qumran. She headed up a group elsewhere in Palestine. Now I think that would be too much for you. It indicates that Jesus first spiritual challenge was at the age of 7, when he was left blindfolded on a mountain top, mostly naked, close to a cliff edge, to survive 48 hours without falling off the mountain or removing his blindfold. Yeah. In short that book says Jesus qualified at the highest levels in India, Egypt, and Great Britain. He survived being entombed for many days in the Great Pyramid as well. Kinda like if you set yourself the task to experience and surpass the best of the best.

I do have channeled messages from Celestials regarding TUB. But not a lot specifically relation to book 4. However - surely you already know that was not a part of the initial content? The story is that it was found in a warehouse in a desk.

I am not sure Sandy would be keen on me posting these here - given the intervention of recent - and I would only do it if you are genuinely interested and not about to embark on another long AI analysis. I can say that Celestials would not denigrate a book that millions believe in, instead they would b e cautious about their comments. As they were.

Regards
Geoff

[Amigoo]

Geoff,

No, I never knew about the "desk in a warehouse", but doubt it since previous Papers
required various readings with subsequent Q&A sessions before they were finalized.

AI gets a bad rap, but the non-chat sessions of mine with these two AI have been
sufficient for my "search engine" style inquiries. Having studied the UB for decades,
I know when an AI "hallucinates" (which is extremely rare) ... and I can easily
and quickly verify what I doubt using my own computer resources.

Skip the midwayer research - I would be more interested if they're involved
with (or know aobut) crop circles. Logically, they cannot be our "next of kin"
and have no knowledge of crop circles.


Rod

[Geoff]

Geoff,

No, I never knew about the "desk in a warehouse", but doubt it since previous Papers
required various readings with subsequent Q&A sessions before they were finalized.


Rod

You would do yourself a great favour to read the Sherman Diaries. A LOT happened in the commission, and its been reported. If you really think there was no human input, I would 100% stand by the comment that every single usage of the word "sordid" in TUB is human input. How I can know this, is the source of the UB was 5D, a level where no judgment is applied. In 3D it's sadly bread and butter. And if the source was higher than 5D, as it certainly implies, then it is even more certain that was human input.

Geoff

[Geoff]

Geoff,

Skip the midwayer research - I would be more interested if they're involved
with (or know aobut) crop circles. Logically, they cannot be our "next of kin"
and have no knowledge of crop circles.


Rod

Not quite sure what you are asking. George did receive information that crop circles were "designed" very high in the spiritual realms, and I know that he also talked about it being executed by "morontia machines" one of which was captured on video in Canada.

Geoff

[happyrain]

hi sandy
i found your heart felt post above very helpful. you were right to speak from the depths of your soul.
sometimes i get a little too sensitive, perhaps this ego of mine
but i would rather not wear my wounds as some type of justification for cold heartedness
thinking on what you shared about the channelers being so disheartened they turned off their abilities
i hope these individuals have since been reacquainted with their special gifts...

i hope i don't turn off my abilities, or deny presence and communication with something special just because my 'image' would be made low
we think ourselves tough. but the ego can be a funny thing, never get too comfortable huh? the surprise comes from those we least expect!
as i'm learning based on the follow up replies, its great to be humble
a third hope then, is that i internalize my own lessons and get on with the program
free my self from the weight of uncomfortable misunderstandings and offer love to those who would deny me. sometimes that means allowing them the space to be themselves. sometimes it means learning how to hold them in a community, without much involvement.
its weird how our body can have these somatic-like experiences tied to an uncomfortable memory and re-live them habitually...
even when the answers are made clear

i guess thats why they call these forging grounds eh?

thank you sweet friend for bringing me back to the, 'heart of hearts' !

[Amigoo]

Geoff,

I once owned the complete set of the Sherman Diaries, browsed them occasionally, then donated them to the UB Historical Society (I had other time-consuming priorities).

(Google Gemini) "The Sherman Diaries (written by Harold and Martha Sherman regarding their time in the Chicago 'Forum' studying the emerging Urantia papers) do not mention Papers appearing in a desk in a warehouse."

Does this mean that non-public sources, not available to AI, mentioned this desk? If a claim in the Diaries, please identify where so we have evidence of an AI Q&A mistake.

Typical concern by UB readers has been on full-Paper authorship - not limited human contributions. The UB itself states this: "... in all our efforts to reveal truth and co-ordinate essential knowledge, give preference to the highest existing human concepts pertaining to the subjects to be presented. We may resort to pure revelation only when the concept of presentation has had no adequate previous expression by the human mind." (0:12.11)

As for midwayers, with so much of their on-Urantia presence both in the UB development and in later channeling, I was just curious why they haven't acknowledged this crop circle phenomenon, at least in channeling. After all, crop circles are clearly visible to humans, even when some are created.


Re: https://urantiabooksources.com/

While Matthew Block's "Parallel Charts" show significant similarity to portions of the Urantia Papers, no human authors have ever acknowledged their authorship of any portion of these Papers. Since humans typically want credit for their published writing (even Matthew for this great research), this suggests these similarities are simply the well-edited sources acknowledged in the UB:

"... in all our efforts to reveal truth and co-ordinate essential knowledge, give preference to the highest existing human concepts pertaining to the subjects to be presented. We may resort to pure revelation only when the concept of presentation has had no adequate previous expression by the human mind." (0:12.11)

Are we not challenged to identify the who (and what) beyond this collection is claimed to be a Urantia Book contributor?

From another perspective, Urantia Book history maintains that the celestial team was in charge of the developing manuscript until it was permitted to be published. This indicates that whatever was included in these Papers had celestial approval, suggesting human contributor controversy is unnecessary concern.

Also, if midwayers had the ability to make Papers appear in a desk or safe, they also had ability to disappear an offending Paper or portion. Doesn't this suggest the midwayers were (are) aligned with the purpose and authority of this "fifth epochal revelation"?

And if the midwayers requested the UB's inclusion of "The Life and Teachings of Jesus" (Part IV) and a midwayer commission authored these Papers, why are they not considered the true history of Jesus' life and teachings, despite any conflicting messaging in recent channeling?

"This group of papers was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watchcare of the Apostle Andrew." (Part IV introduction)


Note: As "fifth epochal revelation", the Urantia Papers claim to be of similar authority
as Jesus ("fourth epochal revelation") during his life on earth. Those who believe this
have obligation (at least, opportunity) to help maintain this authority to preserve
this revelation unbiased for fair evaluation by later generations.

The problem seems the cooperative effort of many people over many years (including
celestials and our planet's midwayers) to produce the 2000-page Urantia revelation
doesn't easily compare to the limited information of independent channeling.


Rod

[Amigoo]

Q: What is known about Anna, Jesus' grandmother and Essene Master?

(Google Gemini) "If you are looking for this in historical-critical scholarship,
mainstream biblical texts, or orthodox Christian tradition, it is not there!
It belongs entirely to the realm of modern channeled spiritual literature,
esoteric history, and New Age mysticism."

This clearly notifies me not to keep asking AI about what you post
since AI doesn't know about this and might even hallucinate a response.

Incidentally, what other receivers channel information
about the dimensions that you talk about?


Rod

[RunningScroll]

My two cents:

If we are a Christian, Muslim, Urantia Book or even an Atheist fundamentalist in our position, then we need to acknowledge it openly.

Listening to somebody else neutrally (as though they could be right and we could be wrong, even just in some specific details) is a quality we need to cultivate. There is simply too little neutrality on Urantia, where neutrality both emotionally and intellectually is essential to understand others, and even higher beings. Being able to review and improve what we think, is essential to individual and community progress.

Listening to someone neutrally, does not necessarily mean we have to take all their ideas on board. But the attitude of neutrality brings something completely different to intellectual and spiritual discourse, allowing for healthy and mutual growth in the best case. Neutrality is an attribute of SPIRITUAL PEACE.

I think from a metaphysical perspective, neutrality opens us up to the entire set of perspectives available, just like the FLOWER OF LIFE symbol has all of these intersecting circles depicted. At any point in time, our soul represents one of these circles and perspectives, but there is no reason why the mind can't open up to the entire set of circles, through quantum physics, as we try to focus on what is at the foundation of LIFE itself.

Kind Regards, Dylan

P.S. Hi Geoff. If you would like to share your ideas about where the UB differs from your understanding, I'm keen to talk on the phone? I'll PM my number.

[Sandy]

Hi Everyone,
I would like everyone to be able to share openly in the spirit of patience, love, and cooperation here on the board...
Dylan said it well...

Listening to somebody else neutrally (as though they could be right and we could be wrong, even just in some specific details) is a quality we need to cultivate. There is simply too little neutrality on Urantia, where neutrality both emotionally and intellectually is essential to understand others, and even higher beings. Being able to review and improve what we think, is essential to individual and community progress.

Listening to someone neutrally, does not necessarily mean we have to take all their ideas on board. But the attitude of neutrality brings something completely different to intellectual and spiritual discourse, allowing for healthy and mutual growth in the best case. Neutrality is an attribute of SPIRITUAL PEACE.

I think from a metaphysical perspective, neutrality opens us up to the entire set of perspectives available, just like the FLOWER OF LIFE symbol has all of these intersecting circles depicted. At any point in time, our soul represents one of these circles and perspectives, but there is no reason why the mind can't open up to the entire set of circles, through quantum physics, as we try to focus on what is at the foundation of LIFE itself.

Geoff, you wondered if I would object to more channeling and sharing of what you are learning and experiencing here. Yes, it is okay. I have found many wonderful tidbits from you and others who have shared what they are experiencing over the years.

We are all adults...mostly LOL (I'm a bit of a wrinkled child), and we can decide for ourselves what strikes our truthbone.

I am struck by how deeply you all love the Creator of all and show it through your dedication to understanding ever better.
I like to believe, in my childlike fashion, that we are all working on a particular angle, discovering an area others may not notice or be interested in. Even if we someday discover we were wrong, there is a kind of goodness in the lessons of loving each other, even when we drive each other crazy at times. LOL
How does God rectify all the differences? I don't have a clue, but I think there must be a reason for this... maybe a kind of training in different areas. I suspect what we learn in cooperation alone will do us well in the next realm.

Eric it's always good to hear your thoughts on such things. You are quite skilled in walking a loving line between many spiritual modalities.

Rod,
I believe George channeled a message or two about crop circles. I'll see if I can find them.

Geoff,
I hope you hear from George sometime. I seriously doubt it will result in a confirmation or negation of what you are doing. I know there are limits on what they can share, but I think he would be willing to speak with you if you can receive. After all, you were both important to each other's spiritual development for a time, and those things stay with us and become like pure gold.

I will share something George said to me in a message another receiver facilitated.
We didn't record it, as it was a lovely surprise on the fly. So it may not be exactly as he phrased it.

This is regarding communication "between beings" up there where he resides.

" We are all naked. It was a bit disturbing at first until I realized we are all naked together. I guess I should work harder on that. "
In the same message, the channeler was speaking to a Paradise being. Towards the end, asked, " Did George leave?
George piped in, "Yes, I'm gone!" Doesn't that sound like G?
xxSandy

[Geoff]

Incidentally, what other receivers channel information
about the dimensions that you talk about?


Rod

There are many. But what they channel is not always accessible. But an incredible set of books are referred to on my website. They would blow yor mind I think, excepting its pretty resistant to that?

The Telos Series of Books

Anna's story is also available. Now THAT blew my mind. By the way we have heard from Anna, but I am not at liberty to share it.

Anna, Grandmother of Jesus

Geoff

[Geoff]

Geoff, you wondered if I would object to more channeling and sharing of what you are learning and experiencing here. Yes, it is okay. I have found many wonderful tidbits from you and others who have shared what they are experiencing over the years.

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I will share something George said to me in a message another receiver facilitated.
We didn't record it, as it was a lovely surprise on the fly. So it may not be exactly as he phrased it.

This is regarding communication "between beings" up there where he resides.

" We are all naked. It was a bit disturbing at first until I realized we are all naked together. I guess I should work harder on that. "
In the same message, the channeler was speaking to a Paradise being. Towards the end, asked, " Did George leave?
George piped in, "Yes, I'm gone!" Doesn't that sound like G?
xxSandy

Dear Sandy,

Thanks for the "slack" you are allowing me. George did not consider this a Urantia Book site, but he also did not give free rein to anyone else either. As and when this is requested, I will respond specifically to a request.

I don't think George meant "physically" naked. Because even new arrivals get attired, and the attire over time designates status and interests. But everyone is naked in that you cannot show a different person than you actually are. There is no ability to be two faced. And yes this disconcerts a lot of newbies who never in Earth life showed who they actually were.

hugs
Geoff

[happyrain]

That's funny Sandy

Is eric still here?
No I've lef!t *continues to use forum*

Hey yes i remember reading a channeled message or two, or words from george, about crop circles.


Search function? Strange I'm not getting results. I think i remember reading something about the size of the machines, how high off the ground they'd appear, and that they were essentially lifeless.

Eh?