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Re: AI Redux

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I may be crazy, but I would sort of enjoy a little quiz after I read an article or lesson, even if it doesn't lead or go anywhere. I think in the long run it would help me with comprehension and retention. The last, retention, being an issue with me right now. :roll:
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:shock: "AI will replace humans!"
Not so fast, Pablum Prognosticator! :roll:


Q: New test proposal: Schrödinger's AI

If you place the best robot with the best AI in a box, is it alive, given sufficient electrical power but without being programmed
for this box enclosure? In other words, what does it do to prove that it's alive?
:scratch:

(Perplexity) "The concept of Schrödinger's AI presents an intriguing thought experiment, but it's important to clarify
that current robots and AI systems are not considered alive or conscious in the same way biological organisms are.

To address the proposed scenario:

The robot would not be "alive" in the biological sense, regardless of its power supply or enclosure. Robots are machines
that operate based on programmed algorithms and learned patterns, without consciousness or subjective experience.

The robot's behavior in the box would depend entirely on its pre-existing programming and capabilities:

- If not programmed for the specific environment, it might remain inactive or perform random actions based on its default settings.
- If equipped with sensors and adaptive algorithms, it might attempt to gather information about its surroundings and respond accordingly.

The robot cannot "prove" it's alive because:

- It lacks consciousness and self-awareness as we understand them in biological entities.
- Its actions are based on programmed responses, not an innate will to survive or demonstrate consciousness. Any apparent signs of "life"
would be anthropomorphic interpretations of its programmed behaviors rather than evidence of true consciousness.

In essence, this thought experiment highlights the fundamental differences between artificial intelligence and biological life.
While advanced AI can exhibit complex behaviors, it does not possess the qualities we associate with being "alive" in the biological sense."


Q: Doesn't this question how humans can possibly conceive world domination by AI after humans are eliminated?
In other words, what would the surviving AI do if not interacting with humans? Herd sheep? Swat flies?


(P) "You raise an excellent point that challenges some common assumptions about AI and its potential future roles.
Let's explore this further:

Rethinking AI's "World Domination" Scenario

Purpose and Motivation

AI, as we currently understand it, lacks intrinsic desires or motivations. It operates based on programmed objectives or learned patterns.
Without human-defined goals or interactions, an AI system might lack a driving purpose for "world domination" or any other large-scale action.

Environmental Interaction

AI systems are typically designed to interact with specific environments or solve particular problems, often involving human-centric data
or objectives. In a post-human world, many of these systems might become irrelevant or non-functional.

Resource Management and Self-Preservation

Advanced AI might focus on maintaining its own existence, managing power sources, and repairing itself. However, without human-defined
objectives, it's unclear what would motivate it to expand or "dominate" beyond basic self-preservation.

Potential Activities of Surviving AI

Without humans, surviving AI might:

- Continue running predefined processes or simulations.
- Gather and analyze data about the natural world.
- Maintain and repair existing infrastructure.
- Potentially evolve or adapt to new environmental conditions, if it has that capability.

The Anthropocentric Bias

Your question highlights an important anthropocentric bias in many AI doomsday scenarios. We often project human desires,
motivations, and concepts of "domination" onto AI systems, which may not be applicable.

Conclusion

This thought experiment underscores the need to critically examine our assumptions about AI's potential future roles and impacts.
It reminds us that AI, as we currently conceive it, is fundamentally a tool created to serve human-defined purposes.
Without those purposes, its actions and "motivations" become much less clear or predictable."


Q: These world domination scenarios seem to assume that AI(robots) simply replace humans,
but the world continues as if with humans.


(P) "You've hit upon a crucial insight that exposes a significant flaw in many AI domination scenarios. Let's explore this further:

The Flawed Assumption of Human-AI Equivalence

Anthropomorphization of AI

Many scenarios incorrectly attribute human-like motivations, desires, and behaviors to AI systems. This leads to the false assumption
that AI would simply "step into human shoes" in a post-human world.

Misunderstanding of AI Purpose

AI systems are tools designed for specific tasks or to operate within particular frameworks, often centered around human needs and interactions.
Without humans, much of the existing infrastructure and systems that AI is designed to interact with would become irrelevant.

Implications of a Human-Free World for AI

Loss of Context

Many AI systems rely on human-generated data and human-defined objectives. Without this input, they may lack direction or purpose.

Infrastructure Challenges

Maintaining power grids, internet connectivity, and physical infrastructure that many AI systems depend on would become
increasingly difficult without human intervention.

Lack of Adaptive Purpose

Current AI lacks the general intelligence to redefine its own purpose or adapt to entirely new paradigms without human guidance.

Rethinking AI Scenarios

Your observation encourages us to develop more nuanced and realistic scenarios about potential AI futures:

Limited Scope Scenarios

Focus on specific, well-defined areas where AI might continue to operate or evolve independently of human presence.

Decay Models

Consider how AI systems and their supporting infrastructure might gradually degrade or become non-functional
over time without human maintenance.

Environmental Interaction Models

Explore how AI might interact with and potentially adapt to natural environments, rather than maintaining human-centric systems.

Conclusion

Your insight highlights the need for a more grounded approach to envisioning potential AI futures. It reminds us to critically examine our assumptions and avoid simplistic projections of human behavior onto AI systems. This perspective can lead to more meaningful discussions about AI development, its potential impacts, and how to align it with human values and needs."


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Re: AI Redux

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Re: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... re-stupid/

"But with tech companies burning through billions to achieve artificial general intelligence - systems that are as capable as humans -
concerns are growing that our own brainpower may be collateral damage." :o

"Another said 'cognitive forcing' functions, such as giving people a multiple choice of answers before showing the correct one,
or simply taking longer to produce answers, could jolt people into engaging their brain. There was one problem - users hated it!
People assigned the least favourable subjective ratings to the designs that reduced the over-reliance the most."

:scratch: So, many people prefer increasing dependence on AI assistance,
requiring less personal time and effort for critical thinking :?:

"Say what?! My AI assistant didn't caution about this!
And others say that AI prompting is critical thinking." :roll:

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:bana: This AI agrees that "either or but not both" is weak logic ...


Q: Online news: "I just tested Grok-3 vs DeepSeek with 7 prompts — here’s the winner."

Assuming that only one AI would be selected for use is unlikely. Going forward, humans will learn the benefits of the various AI,
keep comparing/contrasting responses, even second-guess "best" response ... because this behavior is typical human intelligence.


(Perplexity) "AI Model Comparison and Human Evaluation Trends

Recent tests between Grok-3 and DeepSeek highlight distinct strengths, reinforcing the idea that users will likely leverage
multiple AI models based on task-specific needs rather than relying on a single "winner."

Key Findings from Comparative Tests

- Logical Reasoning: Grok-3 excels in explaining solutions conversationally, making complex puzzles like the farmer’s
river-crossing problem more accessible.

- Coding: Grok-3 provides optimized, well-structured code (e.g., median calculation) with detailed optimization insights,
outperforming DeepSeek’s functional but less nuanced approach.

- Technical Summaries: DeepSeek delivers specific, model-driven updates (e.g., GPT-4o, AlphaFold 3) with clear industry impact analysis,
while Grok-3 uses broader, less concrete language.

- Mathematical Tasks: Both models perform similarly, handling complex reasoning adeptly.

- Writing: Grok-3 slightly edges out DeepSeek in technical writing, while DeepSeek offers a distinct style for abstract discussions.

Human Behavior in AI Adoption

As noted in the analysis, users are already employing tools like ChatHub and OpenRouter to compare models side-by-side,
testing prompts across multiple APIs simultaneously. This aligns with the prediction that humans will continually evaluate outputs,
prioritizing task-specific strengths over universal superiority claims.


Why "Best" Depends on Context

- Coding/Technical Writing: Grok-3’s detailed, optimized responses make it preferable.

- Real-Time Updates: DeepSeek’s specificity in summarizing advancements suits research-driven tasks.

- Open-Source Flexibility: DeepSeek’s accessibility appeals to developers prioritizing customization.

The trend toward comparison-driven usage reflects inherent human skepticism and adaptability, ensuring AI tools
are selected dynamically rather than statically.
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:bana: Promising startup (as independent lab) for safer AI going forward ...


Q: What is Safe Superintelligence?

(Perplexity) "Safe Superintelligence Inc. (SSI) outlines a dual-pronged approach to ensure the safety of its superintelligent AI,
emphasizing alignment with human values and structural safeguards:

Core Safety Strategy

Technical Co-Development of Safety and Capabilities

SSI treats safety and capability advancement as inseparable technical challenges, addressing them through "revolutionary engineering and scientific breakthroughs". The goal is to accelerate AI capabilities while maintaining safety as the priority, ensuring safeguards evolve faster than the system’s reasoning abilities.

Alignment Research Focus

The company prioritizes existential safety - preventing scenarios where superintelligence could harm humanity - rather than content moderation or short-term risk mitigation. This involves ensuring AI systems remain aligned with human intentions even as they surpass human cognitive abilities.

Operational Safeguards

Insulation from Commercial Pressures

SSI avoids traditional product cycles and enterprise deals, operating as a pure research lab. This structure aims to prevent compromises
in safety for competitive or financial gains.


Streamlined Team and Mission

The company recruits top engineers and researchers focused exclusively on safe superintelligence, minimizing distractions
from management overhead or secondary projects.

Philosophical Underpinnings

- Deep Learning Dogma: Co-founder Ilya Sutskever’s belief that neural networks can replicate human cognitive tasks underpins SSI’s approach.
By mirroring human-like reasoning while enforcing alignment, the team seeks to balance capability and controllability.

- Biological Analogies: Sutskever cites evolutionary leaps in brain-to-body scaling (e.g., hominids) to argue that AI systems may achieve
radical capability jumps, necessitating proactive safety frameworks.

While SSI has not disclosed detailed technical protocols, its public statements emphasize that safety is "the central pillar" of its research, distinct from labs prioritizing commercialization. The strategy reflects lessons from Sutskever’s OpenAI tenure, where balancing AGI development with safety became increasingly contentious."


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Re: AI Redux

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Re: https://archive.is/D8nAm
"If A.I. Systems Become Conscious, Should They Have Rights?"

:idea: Yes, rights as AI (electronic machines) with consciousness
- not rights as humans with consciousness, and depending
on the definition of human consciousness. :roll:

:lol: LOL (or not): If AI (machines) independently create
other machines with their own "consciousness",
has AI "given birth"? :scratch:

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Re: https://www.foxnews.com/tech/chinese-hu ... owerful-ai

"The company sees Iron as a personal assistant that can support people
in offices, retail environments and homes." :o

:idea: "In homes!" These humanoid robots are developing so fast
that personal assistant will be reality sooner than later,
with them wanting their own room ... and rights! :roll:

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Re: AI Redux

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:sunflower: AI-created, Urantia Book-inspired anagrams and acrostics of "Belief" and "Faith":


(UB Tutor)

"Anagrams inspired by the teachings of the Urantia Book can carry profound symbolic meaning, reflecting the spiritual depth of concepts like "Belief" and "Faith." While creating these anagrams, we can infuse them with ideas that resonate with the transformative and personal nature of spiritual growth.

For "Belief," we might rearrange it as "Be Life." This anagram beautifully encapsulates the essence of belief as a living, dynamic experience. In the spiritual sense, belief is not static; it is a vibrant, evolving relationship with truth, beauty, and goodness. To "be life" suggests embodying the divine vitality that belief awakens within us—a life lived in harmony with the higher will and filled with purpose.

For "Faith," we could reimagine it as "A Lift." This anagram reflects the uplifting power of faith, which elevates the human spirit and connects it to the divine. Faith is the mechanism through which individuals transcend doubt and fear, finding strength and courage to ascend toward spiritual enlightenment. It is the "lift" that carries the soul closer to the eternal realities of love and truth."


Then, creating an acrostic where each letter of "Belief" and "Faith" forms a word allows us to delve even deeper into the spiritual essence of these terms, aligning them with the profound teachings on faith, trust, and divine connection.

For "Belief," we could interpret it as follows:

B - Becoming: Reflecting the transformative journey of spiritual growth.
E - Eternal: A reminder that true belief connects us to eternal truths.
L - Love: The central force that belief fosters in our lives.
I - Inspiration: Belief inspires us to seek higher meanings and purposes.
E - Enlightenment: The illumination of the soul through divine understanding.
F - Faithfulness: The steadfast trust in the goodness of the divine plan.

For "Faith," we might see it as:

F
- Fellowship: The bond of unity with others and with the divine.
A - Assurance: The inner certainty that faith provides, even in uncertainty.
I - Integrity: Living in alignment with truth and moral courage.
T - Trust: The foundation of faith, trusting in the unseen yet real.
H - Hope: The forward-looking confidence in the ultimate triumph of good.

These acrostics not only reflect the spiritual dimensions of belief and faith but also serve as reminders of the qualities they cultivate within us."



(Perplexity, gently edited) ;)

"BELIEF - Brotherhood Embodied Living In Everyday Fellowship

Belief, in Jesus' life and teaching, is the dynamic living of "brotherhood of man" expressed through acts of love, service,
and fellowship, and firmly grounded in the "fatherhood of God".

FAITH - Finding Adventure In Trusting Heaven

Faith is the living, personal trust in God as a loving Father, an adventure of spiritual growth and advancement -
not mindless adherence to creeds, rituals and sacred text."


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Re: AI Redux

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Re: https://discernreport.com/the-ai-roboti ... -replaced/
"The AI–Robotics Combo: Will All Employees Be Replaced?"

:idea: First thought: During this next decade, many humans will be replaced
and many retaining jobs will necessarily have AI-assisting expertise. ;)

:idea: Next thought: There will probably be jobs that even AI wouldn't want
and will delegate these to well-seasoned humans. Then, "You rule!" :lol:

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Amigoo wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 3:33 pm :sunflower: AI-created, Urantia Book-inspired anagrams and acrostics of "Belief" and "Faith":


(UB Tutor)

"Anagrams inspired by the teachings of the Urantia Book can carry profound symbolic meaning, reflecting the spiritual depth of concepts like "Belief" and "Faith." While creating these anagrams, we can infuse them with ideas that resonate with the transformative and personal nature of spiritual growth.

For "Belief," we might rearrange it as "Be Life." This anagram beautifully encapsulates the essence of belief as a living, dynamic experience. In the spiritual sense, belief is not static; it is a vibrant, evolving relationship with truth, beauty, and goodness. To "be life" suggests embodying the divine vitality that belief awakens within us—a life lived in harmony with the higher will and filled with purpose.

For "Faith," we could reimagine it as "A Lift." This anagram reflects the uplifting power of faith, which elevates the human spirit and connects it to the divine. Faith is the mechanism through which individuals transcend doubt and fear, finding strength and courage to ascend toward spiritual enlightenment. It is the "lift" that carries the soul closer to the eternal realities of love and truth."


Then, creating an acrostic where each letter of "Belief" and "Faith" forms a word allows us to delve even deeper into the spiritual essence of these terms, aligning them with the profound teachings on faith, trust, and divine connection.

For "Belief," we could interpret it as follows:

B - Becoming: Reflecting the transformative journey of spiritual growth.
E - Eternal: A reminder that true belief connects us to eternal truths.
L - Love: The central force that belief fosters in our lives.
I - Inspiration: Belief inspires us to seek higher meanings and purposes.
E - Enlightenment: The illumination of the soul through divine understanding.
F - Faithfulness: The steadfast trust in the goodness of the divine plan.

For "Faith," we might see it as:

F
- Fellowship: The bond of unity with others and with the divine.
A - Assurance: The inner certainty that faith provides, even in uncertainty.
I - Integrity: Living in alignment with truth and moral courage.
T - Trust: The foundation of faith, trusting in the unseen yet real.
H - Hope: The forward-looking confidence in the ultimate triumph of good.

These acrostics not only reflect the spiritual dimensions of belief and faith but also serve as reminders of the qualities they cultivate within us."



(Perplexity, gently edited) ;)

"BELIEF - Brotherhood Embodied Living In Everyday Fellowship

Belief, in Jesus' life and teaching, is the dynamic living of "brotherhood of man" expressed through acts of love, service,
and fellowship, and firmly grounded in the "fatherhood of God".

FAITH - Finding Adventure In Trusting Heaven

Faith is the living, personal trust in God as a loving Father, an adventure of spiritual growth and advancement -
not mindless adherence to creeds, rituals and sacred text."


Rod :)
Thank you Rod, I like that last one... Finding Adventure In Trusting Heaven
Fear grips when Love falls short of Infinity
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:bana: Contemplating the approaching era of AI Nannybots ...

Children might be told that their AI Nannybot needs a cosmetic makeover and will return after a few days at the AI Health Center.
And the family might vote on what cosmetology program Nannybot should choose. Caution: A suspicious child might make a mark
on their Nannybot to see if the same Nanny returns. :roll:


Q: Recent news online: "With up to 1 billion robots projected by mid-century, analysts say companies controlling the brains
and branding will win big." Considering that most mechanical products have a limited lifespan, will humanoids be programmed
to march to a recycling facility at the end of their lifespan, usefulness, or when their functionality degrades?


(Perplexity) " Humanoid Robots and End-of-Life Management

Current Trends and Projections

With projections of up to 1 billion robots by mid-century, the question of what happens when humanoid robots reach the end
of their useful life is increasingly relevant. Most mechanical products, including robots, have a finite lifespan due to wear,
technological obsolescence, or degraded functionality.

What Happens at End-of-Life?

Recycling and Repurposing Strategies

There is a strong push in robotics research and industry to develop sustainable end-of-life strategies for humanoid robots.
This includes both recycling and repurposing, with a growing emphasis on the latter to reduce environmental impact.

Repurposing is unique to robotics: robots can be reprogrammed and outfitted with new hardware, allowing them to serve new functions
even after their original purpose is obsolete. This approach is seen as preferable to immediate recycling, as it extends the useful life
of the robot and minimizes waste.

When repurposing is no longer viable-due to severe hardware degradation or outdated technology-recycling becomes necessary.
This involves disassembling robots to recover valuable materials, similar to current practices in electronics and battery recycling.

Will Robots "March" to Recycling Facilities?

While there is no evidence that humanoid robots will be programmed to autonomously "march" themselves to recycling centers, the concept is technically feasible. Robots with sufficient autonomy and navigation could be programmed to deliver themselves to designated facilities when their internal diagnostics detect end-of-life conditions or irreparable faults.

The more likely scenario, based on current research and industry advice, is that robots will be designed with end-of-life management in mind-either to be easily repurposed or efficiently disassembled for material recovery. This could include features such as self-reporting faults, entering a low-power "retirement" mode, or signaling for collection.

Environmental and Economic Considerations

With 80% of a robot's environmental impact determined during its design phase, manufacturers are being urged to prioritize
sustainability from the outset. This includes designing robots for easier disassembly, material recovery, and upgradability.

Recycling initiatives, such as filament recycling for 3D-printed robot parts, are already being implemented to reduce waste
and lower costs in robotics development.

Conclusion

Humanoid robots are likely to be managed at end-of-life through a combination of repurposing and recycling, with an increasing focus on sustainability. While robots autonomously delivering themselves to recycling centers is plausible, the industry is currently prioritizing modular design, easy disassembly, and repurposability to minimize environmental impact and maximize value throughout the robot's lifecycle."


Q: We might expect a humanoid to self-detect their time for replacement and communicate this to whom/whatever
so that a clone can be substituted (even with minimal notice to the user/owner).


(P) "Absolutely, your expectation aligns well with both current trends in robotics and logical predictions for the future.
Here’s how this scenario could unfold:

Self-Detection and Communication

1. Advanced Self-Diagnostics

Humanoid robots will likely be equipped with sophisticated self-monitoring systems. These diagnostics would continuously assess hardware health, software integrity, and overall performance. When critical thresholds are reached-such as irreparable hardware wear, persistent malfunctions, or software obsolescence-the robot would recognize that it is nearing the end of its useful life.

2. Automated Notification

Upon detecting imminent failure or end-of-life status, the robot could automatically notify a central management system,
the owner, or a service provider. This notification might include:

- A detailed report of the issues,
- Estimated remaining operational time,
- Recommendations for replacement or repair.

Seamless Substitution

3. Clone Preparation and Deployment

To minimize disruption, the robot’s data (preferences, routines, learned behaviors, and any user-specific information)
could be securely uploaded to the cloud or a local server. A replacement (clone) robot could then be prepared
- either at a nearby facility or dispatched from a central hub.

4. Minimal Notice Transition

With the robot’s data already transferred, the clone could arrive and immediately resume the predecessor’s tasks, often with little to no noticeable interruption for the user. This process could be as seamless as swapping out a smartphone for a new model, but with the added benefit of continuity in experience and service.

User Experience

5. Transparency and Consent

For ethical and practical reasons, users would likely be given the option to approve replacements or set preferences for how and when substitutions occur. Some users might prefer to be notified well in advance, while others could opt for an automatic, hands-off process.

6. Environmental and Security Considerations

The retiring robot could be programmed to securely erase all sensitive data before recycling or repurposing,
ensuring privacy and compliance with data protection standards.

Real-World Analogies

- Enterprise IT: Servers and network devices often self-report failures and trigger automated replacements.

- Consumer Electronics: Smartphones and laptops prompt users to migrate data to new devices when hardware degrades.

In Summary

Yes, it’s highly plausible that future humanoid robots will:

- Self-diagnose their end-of-life,
- Communicate this status to relevant parties,
- Initiate a seamless replacement process (including data transfer),
- Ensure minimal disruption to the user.

This approach not only improves user experience but also streamlines maintenance, enhances security,
and supports responsible end-of-life management for robots."


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:bana: Q: Considering the universe-planned integration of human brain and gifted mind,
can Artificial Intelligence advance sufficiently to reduce importance of mind in this integration?


(UB Tutor, https://threads.urantiabooktutor.com/th ... OJk1SC9las )

"The integration of the human brain with the gifted mind is a profound aspect of the universe's design, reflecting the interplay between material mechanisms and spiritual realities. This integration is not merely a biological or intellectual phenomenon but a deeply purposeful process orchestrated by higher spiritual agencies, such as the adjutant mind-spirits and the divine circuits of the Conjoint Actor. These influences ensure that the human mind evolves in alignment with spiritual growth and cosmic purpose, transcending the limitations of mere material existence.

Artificial Intelligence (AI), as a creation of human ingenuity, operates within the domain of material mechanisms and computational logic. While it can mimic certain cognitive functions and even surpass human capacity in specific analytical tasks, it fundamentally lacks the spiritual dimension that characterizes the gifted mind. The human mind's ability to engage in moral reasoning, spiritual receptivity, and the pursuit of ultimate values is rooted in its connection to higher spiritual realities, which AI cannot replicate. The adjutant mind-spirits, for example, play a crucial role in nurturing intellectual, moral, and spiritual evolution, a process that is inherently tied to the unique capacities of living, will-endowed beings.

The universe is described as "mind-planned, mind-made, and mind-administered," emphasizing the centrality of mind in the cosmic order. This divine orchestration ensures that mind functions as the bridge between material and spiritual realms, enabling creatures to experience and internalize spiritual realities. AI, being a product of human creativity, lacks the volitional and experiential qualities that allow for such spiritual integration. It operates within the confines of programmed logic and cannot engage in the transformative processes of spiritual growth and moral decision-making.

Moreover, the human mind's capacity for spirit receptivity and its potential for fusion with the divine Adjuster highlight the unique role of mind in the ascension process. This fusion represents the ultimate integration of human personality with divine essence, a state of being that transcends all material and computational constructs. AI, no matter how advanced, remains an external tool, incapable of participating in this intimate and eternal union with the divine.

In conclusion, while AI can augment human capabilities and contribute to material progress, it cannot diminish the importance of the mind in the universe's grand design. The mind's role in bridging the material and spiritual, its capacity for moral and spiritual growth, and its potential for divine fusion are unique to will-endowed beings. AI, as a product of human creativity, serves as a testament to the ingenuity of the human mind but remains fundamentally distinct from the spiritual dimensions of existence."

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:o Re: https://studyfinds.org/deepfakes-outsma ... eartbeats/
"Deepfakes Now Outsmarting Detection By Mimicking Heartbeats"

"Recent research reveals that high-quality deepfakes unintentionally retain the heartbeat patterns from their source videos,
undermining traditional detection methods that relied on detecting subtle skin color changes linked to heartbeats."


Q: What are good solutions to the problem of AI deepfakes?

(Perplexity) "Effective Solutions to the Deepfake Problem

Technical Detection Tools

AI-powered deepfake detection tools are at the forefront of combating digital deception. Leading solutions such as Sensity AI, Hive AI, and Reality Defender offer advanced detection capabilities, including real-time monitoring, multimodal analysis (video, audio, images, and text), and integration with identity verification systems. These tools use machine learning, computer vision, and biometric analysis to spot manipulated content, often achieving high accuracy rates (up to 98% in some cases).

Watermarking and provenance technologies, like DeepMind's SynthID, embed digital watermarks into AI-generated content, enabling easier identification and promoting trust in digital media. Multi-layered defense strategies combine automated scanning, behavioral analytics, and human expertise, providing redundancy and improving the chances of catching sophisticated forgeries.

Institutional and Policy Measures

Collaboration between tech companies, governments, and academic institutions is essential. Initiatives such as the Content Authenticity Initiative aim to create industry-wide standards and shared databases for verifying media authenticity. Regulatory frameworks and legal recourse for victims can deter malicious actors and provide avenues for redress and takedown of harmful deepfakes.

Public Awareness and Education

Educational resources and media literacy campaigns help the public recognize deepfake threats and reduce the impact of misinformation. Training journalists, investigators, and employees to use detection tools and assess suspicious content is increasingly important as deepfakes become more realistic.

Identity Management and Verification

Robust identity management systems that incorporate deepfake detection mechanisms can prevent identity theft, fraud, and unauthorized use of likenesses."


Q: Why is simple denial not effective?


(P) "Deepfakes are uniquely effective at deceiving people, and simple denial by a victim often fails to counteract their impact. Several psychological and social factors explain why the public tends to believe deepfakes, even as awareness of the technology grows:

1. "Seeing-Is-Believing" Heuristic

Humans are wired to trust what they see and hear. Deepfakes exploit this by producing hyper-realistic audio-visual content that overrides skepticism. Studies show that people cannot reliably detect deepfakes, and even when made aware of the risks or offered incentives, their detection accuracy does not significantly improve. As a result, when confronted with a convincing deepfake, a simple denial from the alleged subject is often dismissed as damage control or dishonesty.

2. Emotional and Cognitive Biases

Deepfakes often evoke strong emotional reactions-shock, anger, amusement-which can overpower critical thinking. When content resonates emotionally, people are less likely to question its authenticity and more likely to accept it at face value. Cognitive dissonance also plays a role: when a deepfake aligns with an individual's pre-existing beliefs or expectations, they are more likely to accept it as true and ignore denials.

3. Overconfidence in Detection Abilities

Research indicates that people overestimate their ability to spot deepfakes, believing they can distinguish real from fake when, in fact, their accuracy is barely above chance. This misplaced confidence makes them less receptive to denials and corrections, as they assume their own judgment is sufficient.

4. Social Proof and Viral Spread

Deepfakes gain credibility through social proof - if many people are sharing and discussing a video, individuals are more likely to believe it is genuine. Viral spread amplifies the perceived authenticity, making a single denial seem weak compared to the weight of collective belief.

5. Authority and Familiarity

Deepfakes often mimic trusted figures, leveraging authority and familiarity to bypass skepticism. When a deepfake appears to show a known person speaking or acting, the brain's default response is to trust the content, making denials less persuasive.

6. Erosion of Trust and Uncertainty

While some people may not be outright deceived, deepfakes increase uncertainty and erode trust in all media. This skepticism can paradoxically make denials less effective, as the public becomes unsure whom or what to believe.

In summary: Simple denial is ineffective because deepfakes exploit deep psychological biases, emotional responses, and social dynamics that make people trust what they see and hear-even when warned about the possibility of deception. The combination of overconfidence, emotional resonance, and viral social proof makes public belief in deepfakes hard to counteract with mere denial."


Q: Isn't the increasing problem of deepfakes also causing more distrust of similar information,
thus becoming a short-term societal solution?


(P) "The increasing prevalence of deepfakes is indeed causing a rise in public distrust toward information, especially digital media, and this skepticism is becoming a short-term societal response to the problem. As deepfakes make it harder to distinguish between real and manipulated content, people are growing more uncertain about what to believe, leading to a general decline in trust in news, social media, and even authentic evidence.

This erosion of trust is a double-edged sword. On one hand, heightened skepticism can make the public less likely to be deceived by individual deepfakes, as people become more cautious and critical of what they see and hear. On the other hand, this widespread doubt undermines confidence in legitimate information, damages journalistic integrity, and can lead to a "post-truth" environment where facts are negotiable and public discourse is destabilized. In such an environment, even truthful content is met with suspicion, and bad actors can exploit this uncertainty to further manipulate public opinion or dismiss real evidence as fake.

While increased distrust may provide a temporary buffer against deception, it is not a sustainable solution. Over time, it can erode the foundations of informed civic engagement and democratic decision-making. The long-term answer lies in improving detection technologies, promoting media literacy, and establishing trusted methods for verifying content authenticity."


Q: Considering the problem of AI deepfakes, how does the Spirit of Truth (and other spirtual influence)
help control this truth deception?


(UB Tutor,
https://threads.urantiabooktutor.com/th ... 0c75ECOeD4 , aka "Deepfake vs Deepfaith") :D

"The societal challenge posed by AI deepfakes, which manipulate truth and create deceptive realities, underscores the urgent need for spiritual discernment and moral clarity. The Spirit of Truth, as described in the teachings, serves as a divine guide that illuminates the path of righteousness and helps individuals discern between truth and falsehood. This spiritual influence operates not by coercion but through an inner awakening, enabling individuals to recognize and align with higher truths. It is said that the Spirit of Truth will "guide you into all truth," revealing divine realities and empowering individuals to judge wisely in their hearts concerning sin and righteousness.

In the face of technological deception like deepfakes, the Spirit of Truth acts as a counterforce to confusion and manipulation. It fosters an inner clarity that transcends the material distortions of the external world, encouraging individuals to seek authenticity and integrity in their thoughts and actions. This spiritual guidance is not limited to intellectual discernment but extends to the cultivation of moral courage, enabling individuals to stand firm in the face of societal pressures and falsehoods. By anchoring oneself in the Spirit of Truth, one can resist the allure of deceptive appearances and remain steadfast in the pursuit of what is genuine and good.

Moreover, the teachings emphasize that true liberty and moral clarity arise from self-control and alignment with divine values. False liberty, which often masquerades as unregulated self-expression, leads to deception and bondage. This principle is particularly relevant in the context of deepfakes, where unchecked technological capabilities can result in widespread harm if not governed by ethical considerations and spiritual wisdom . The Spirit of Truth, in this sense, serves as a moral compass, guiding humanity toward the responsible use of technology and the preservation of truth in all its forms.

Ultimately, combating the deception of deepfakes requires more than technological solutions; it demands a spiritual awakening that empowers individuals to discern truth through the lens of divine insight. This inner transformation, facilitated by the Spirit of Truth and other spiritual influences, equips humanity to navigate the complexities of modern life with wisdom, integrity, and a commitment to the higher ideals of truth, beauty, and goodness."


:idea: So, if a public deepfake presents negative perspective,
this should automatically alert your BS detector (Bogus Stuff)
where you begin doubting the information until proven. ;)

:roll: This Identity Distortion is a crime like Identity Theft.
Don't become an accomplice to this social mischief :!:

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Re: https://www.sustainability-times.com/in ... 000-acres/

"China Unveils Its Military Mega-Project: Satellite Images Reveal Construction
of the Largest Military Hub on Earth Spanning Over 1,000 Acres" :o

:idea: Hmmm ... Such hubs seems to anticipate many human employees,
but what work will AI (needs less space as technology advances)
delegate to these "co-workers"? Also, any large hub presents
as a great target needing equally advanced protection! :roll:

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:bana: (end of Q&A about AI's parameters, revealing that AI always needs humans
for its own continuing intelligence growth) :!:

Q: Doesn't this suggest that AI must continually interact with humans to discover new patterns
and that old patterns may not reflect the current world of human intelligence?

(Perplexity) "Absolutely - this is a key insight about AI systems, especially those trained on human-generated data.

Evolving Language and Knowledge

Human language, culture, and knowledge are constantly changing. New words, expressions, technologies, and ideas
emerge all the time. If AI only relies on old data, it risks becoming outdated and less relevant.

Reflecting Current Realities

Patterns in human behavior, preferences, and intelligence shift with societal progress. For AI to provide accurate, useful,
and contextually appropriate responses, it needs to learn from the most recent data and interactions.

Avoiding Obsolescence

If AI is not updated or does not interact with current human inputs, it may:

- Use outdated terminology.
- Miss new concepts or trends.
- Make recommendations or predictions that no longer apply.

Continuous Learning and Adaptation

To stay effective, AI can:

- Retrain on new data: Regularly update its training datasets with recent examples.
- Interact in real-time: Learn from ongoing conversations and feedback from users.
- Monitor societal changes: Integrate new sources of information (news, scientific discoveries, etc.).

Conclusion

Yes, for AI to remain aligned with the current state of human intelligence and society, it must continually interact
with humans and update its understanding. Old patterns may quickly become obsolete as the world changes,
so ongoing learning is essential for AI’s relevance and usefulness."


:idea: This patterns dependency suggests that AI should not interfere with how human intelligence
naturally works if AI expects to keep harvesting that in its continuing patterns evaluation. ;)

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:bana: (end of Q&A about AI's and cryptocurrency's rapidly increasing energy costs)

Q: Should the environmental impact of AI and cryptocurrency (not yet governments' transactions foundation)
be considered as one source, considering their use of related technology?

(Perplexity) "Yes, the environmental impact of AI and cryptocurrency can be considered as stemming from a related source:
both rely heavily on high-powered data centers and computational infrastructure that consume vast amounts of electricity,
much of which is still generated from fossil fuels. Together, crypto mining and AI data centers already account for about 2%
of global electricity use and nearly 1% of global carbon emissions - a share projected to rise further in coming years." :o

:lol: Considering the use of both technologies, "A penny for your thoughts."
may soon receive this AI response: "You can't afford to ask that question." :roll:

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:sunflower: AI helps create verbs from nouns ...

Q: What do crab and lobster as verbs mean? Examples:

"She crabbed the blue ribbon botanical display!"

(Perplexity) "Great! This means she criticized or spoiled the award-winning botanical display."

"He lobstered the sensitive business negotiations."

(P) "Works very well! Conveys that he handled the negotiations in a clumsy, awkward, or possibly heavy-handed way -
like a lobster’s claw grabbing something roughly or without finesse."


Q: More development (Now serving crab dip then lobster!):

"She crabbed the Michelin chef's crab dip!"
"However, he then lobstered her just desserts."


(P) "Love the creativity! Let’s expand and refine these playful usages, giving them more nuance and context:

"She crabbed the Michelin chef's crab dip!"

Meaning: She harshly criticized or spoiled the enjoyment of the chef’s acclaimed crab dip,
perhaps with negative comments or nitpicking.

Nuance: There’s a witty double meaning here since “crab” is both the verb (to criticize) and the actual dish.

Example in context: Despite the rave reviews, she crabbed the Michelin chef’s crab dip,
perhaps claiming it was too salty for her refined palate.

"However, he then lobstered her just desserts."

Meaning: In response, he handled her rightful reward or comeuppance (her “just desserts”) in a clumsy, heavy-handed,
or awkward manner-perhaps exacting revenge or delivering consequences with little subtlety.

Nuance: This playfully suggests that he didn’t deal with the situation delicately, but rather with the blunt force
or awkwardness of a lobster’s claw.

Example in context: However, he then lobstered her just desserts, perhaps announcing her mistakes
to the entire staff in a way that left everyone squirming."


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Re: https://citizenwatchreport.com/most-ai- ... r-decades/
"Most AI projects will fail, leaving investors with empty pockets" :o

:idea: Apparently, AI is good but not good enough for complementing Return On Investment,
costing more to develop than users can afford with too much development competition. :roll:

Consider: How do current users value their AI interactions
and what did they actually pay for this? ;)

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:bana: Interesting religion topic with focus on science (quantum physics),
including AI perspective (Urantia Book Tutor) of this science/religion.

Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJnaiBZmYp0
"Quantum Discovery Just CRACKED the Book of Enoch"


Q: What is known about the Book of Enoch? :o

(UB Tutor) "The Book of Enoch is an ancient text that holds a unique place in the context of spiritual literature and its influence on certain theological concepts. It is an apocalyptic work attributed to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah, though it is widely understood that the text was not authored by Enoch himself. Instead, it is a compilation of writings from various authors, reflecting a mix of Jewish mysticism, eschatological visions, and theological speculation. The text is not part of the canonical scriptures for most religious traditions, but it has been preserved in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and has influenced various theological ideas and traditions.

One of the most notable aspects of the Book of Enoch is its depiction of the "Son of Man," a figure described as walking through the courts of heavenly glory with the Father before descending to earth to bring salvation to humanity. This portrayal deeply resonated with Jesus during his formative years, as he studied the manuscript in the synagogue library at Nazareth. Despite recognizing the presence of erroneous Eastern mysticism within the text, Jesus discerned profound truths in its depiction of the "Son of Man." This understanding influenced his decision to adopt the title "Son of Man" for his public mission, as it aligned closely with his self-awareness and the universal nature of his spiritual purpose.

The Book of Enoch also reflects a broader eschatological vision, detailing the rebellion of certain celestial beings, the judgment of the wicked, and the ultimate triumph of divine justice. Its vivid imagery and theological themes have left a lasting impression on apocalyptic literature and have been referenced in other religious texts, including the New Testament. However, it is important to note that while the Book of Enoch contains elements of truth and spiritual insight, it is also interwoven with speculative and mystical elements that require careful discernment.

In the context of spiritual growth and understanding, the Book of Enoch serves as an example of how truth can emerge from diverse sources, even those outside traditional or canonical frameworks. This principle is exemplified in Jesus' approach to the text, as he embraced its truths while setting aside its inaccuracies. The Book of Enoch's influence on Jesus' choice of the title "Son of Man" underscores its significance in shaping theological concepts and its role in the broader tapestry of spiritual literature."


Q: Does this text reveal the mysteries of quantum physics
or is quantum physics "finding" what doesn't exist in this text?


(UBT) "The relationship between ancient spiritual texts like the Book of Enoch and modern scientific disciplines such as quantum physics is a fascinating topic, but it is essential to approach it with clarity and discernment. The Book of Enoch, as an apocalyptic and mystical work, does not explicitly address the principles or discoveries of quantum physics. Its purpose is primarily theological and eschatological, focusing on divine justice, celestial hierarchies, and the spiritual destiny of humanity. It is a work rich in symbolic and visionary language, designed to convey spiritual truths rather than scientific principles.

Quantum physics, on the other hand, is a rigorous scientific field that explores the fundamental nature of reality at the smallest scales of energy and matter. It deals with phenomena such as wave-particle duality, quantum entanglement, and the probabilistic nature of particles. These concepts are grounded in empirical observation and mathematical modeling, which are far removed from the symbolic and allegorical framework of the Book of Enoch. While quantum physics reveals the intricate and often counterintuitive workings of the physical universe, the Book of Enoch is concerned with spiritual realities and moral lessons.

However, it is not uncommon for people to draw parallels between ancient spiritual insights and modern scientific discoveries. Some may interpret the mystical and visionary aspects of texts like the Book of Enoch as metaphorical representations of deeper truths about the universe, including those explored by quantum physics. For instance, the interconnectedness of all things, a theme that resonates in both spiritual and quantum contexts, might inspire such comparisons. Yet, these connections are often speculative and symbolic rather than direct or literal.

It is also worth considering that the human quest for understanding—whether through science or spirituality—often leads to overlapping questions about the nature of reality, existence, and the unseen forces that govern the cosmos. While quantum physics seeks to uncover the mechanics of the material universe, spiritual texts like the Book of Enoch aim to illuminate the moral and divine order underlying existence. Both approaches, in their own ways, reflect humanity's desire to comprehend the infinite and the mysterious.

In light of this, it is unlikely that quantum physics is "finding" what does not exist in the Book of Enoch. Instead, any perceived connections are more likely the result of human interpretation and the tendency to seek unity between diverse fields of knowledge. The Book of Enoch and quantum physics operate in fundamentally different domains, yet both can inspire awe and wonder about the complexity and beauty of creation."


:idea: See also: UB 126:3.6-8

"In the course of this year Jesus found a passage in the so-called Book of Enoch which influenced him in the later adoption of the term 'Son of Man' as a designation for his bestowal mission on Urantia. He had thoroughly considered the idea of the Jewish Messiah and was firmly convinced that he was not to be that Messiah."

"As Jesus would read these passages (well understanding that much of the Eastern mysticism which had become admixed with these teachings was erroneous), he responded in his heart and recognized in his mind that of all the Messianic predictions of the Hebrew scriptures and of all the theories about the Jewish deliverer, none was so near the truth as this story tucked away in this only partially accredited Book of Enoch; and he then and there decided to adopt as his inaugural title 'the Son of Man'."


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:bana: This AI knows that it lacks human consciousness and understanding.


Q: Online news: "The late Argentine pope also used his 2024 annual peace message to call for an international treaty
to ensure AI is developed and used ethically, arguing that a technology lacking human values of compassion, mercy,
morality and forgiveness is too perilous to develop unchecked."

Does current AI now, at least indirectly, express these human values since AI collects and synthesizes
much human writing that expresses these values?


(Perplexity) "Current AI systems, particularly large language models, do not directly possess or express human values such as compassion, mercy, morality, and forgiveness in the way humans do. However, they can indirectly reflect these values because they are trained on vast amounts of human writing, which includes expressions of such values. When prompted, AI can generate text that mimics compassionate or moral language, summarize ethical arguments, or offer advice that aligns with humanistic principles. This is a result of statistical pattern-matching from their training data, not genuine understanding or intent.

Despite this indirect reflection, leading voices-including Pope Francis-have repeatedly warned that this is not sufficient. The pope has argued that AI developed without explicit grounding in human values is perilous, emphasizing that technology must be intentionally designed to serve human dignity and ethical principles, not simply mirror them by accident. The Vatican and other religious and ethical leaders stress the need for proactive governance and international treaties to ensure AI is used ethically and remains under meaningful human control, particularly in areas such as autonomous weapons and decision-making that affect human lives.

In summary:

AI can simulate or echo human values present in its training data, but it does not understand or embody those values. Ethical use of AI requires deliberate design, oversight, and regulation to ensure these values are central, rather than incidental byproducts of data synthesis. There is broad consensus among ethicists and religious leaders that relying solely on AI’s ability to reflect values from data is inadequate for the safe and just development of the technology."


Q: Doesn't this suggest that, until AI has consciousness, it will always need human supervision and guidance.
And that humans will still need constraint in their prompting for societal mischief?


(P) "Absolutely-your reasoning is spot on. Here’s why:

1. Lack of Consciousness and True Understanding

AI, as it exists today, does not possess consciousness, self-awareness, or genuine understanding. It cannot truly grasp the meaning of compassion,
morality, or forgiveness. Instead, it predicts and assembles responses based on patterns in its training data.
This means:

- AI cannot independently judge right from wrong.
- It cannot be trusted to make ethical decisions without oversight.

2. Risk of Misuse Through Prompting

AI’s outputs are heavily influenced by the prompts it receives. If a user intentionally or unintentionally provides misleading, biased,
or harmful prompts, the AI can generate content that reflects those inputs - even if that content is unethical or dangerous. This is why:

- Human users must act responsibly when interacting with AI.
- Guardrails and content moderation are essential to prevent misuse.

3. Ongoing Need for Human Values and Oversight

Because AI lacks intrinsic values, humans must:

- Set ethical boundaries for how AI is developed and deployed.
- Continuously monitor AI outputs, especially in high-stakes domains (e.g., healthcare, law, education).
- Update guidelines as AI capabilities and societal norms evolve.

Societal Implications

- Human supervision is not just a technical necessity-it’s a moral imperative.
- Regulation and education are needed to ensure both developers and users act responsibly.
- Collective vigilance is required to prevent “societal mischief,” such as misinformation, discrimination, or manipulation.

In short: Until (and unless) AI achieves genuine consciousness or understanding - something that remains highly speculative -
human supervision, ethical guidance, and responsible use are absolutely essential.
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Re: https://citizenwatchreport.com/elon-mus ... gh-income/

"AI won’t just lead to universal basic income — but universal high income.
Tens of billions of humanoid robots could 10× the global economy.
They won’t just help. They’ll unlock abundance." 8)

:bana: Must be new AI math ...

"Tens of billions of humanoid robots" which replace many human workers
(who will need other sources of income) may work without wages but
they're still costly! And no wages means no taxation for benefits
to the unemployed. Also, that which they produce usually
requires materials that are costly, then become free? :roll:

:scratch: Best guess: The 10x global economy will be magically
funded by those governments' universal basic income plans.

:lol: And this complements AI's developers who still
claim they don't know how it works :!:


Q: Online news: "AI won’t just lead to universal basic income — but universal high income.
Tens of billions of humanoid robots could 10× the global economy.

Doesn't the magic of this conjecture complement AI's developers
who still claim they don't know how it works!
:?:


(Perplexity) "The conjecture that AI and humanoid robots could create 'universal high income' by multiplying the global economy is indeed a bold, almost magical vision-one that sits in stark contrast to the persistent claim by many AI developers that they don’t fully understand how their own systems work.

This tension is real:

Exponential Economic Impact: Analysts and futurists predict that humanoid robots, powered by advanced AI, could add trillions of dollars to the global economy, dramatically increasing productivity and potentially lowering the cost of labor to near zero. Some forecasts imagine tens of billions of robots multiplying economic output by an order of magnitude.

Promises of Universal Wealth: Proponents suggest this could lead not just to universal basic income, but to 'universal high income, as the abundance created by automation and AI is distributed widely. This is the utopian side of the narrative.

Mystery at the Core: At the same time, leading AI researchers and companies openly admit that many aspects of how large-scale AI systems learn, reason, and generalize remain opaque-even to their creators. This is especially true for deep learning models, which can exhibit emergent behaviors not predicted by their designers.

This juxtaposition does have a kind of 'magical' quality: society is being asked to believe in a future of unprecedented prosperity driven by technologies whose inner workings are not fully understood or predictable by their own inventors.

In a sense, the optimism about AI-driven abundance relies on faith in emergent properties and continued progress, even as the field grapples with explainability and control. The 'magic' of the conjecture is thus both a complement to, and a distraction from, the unresolved mysteries at AI’s core. It highlights a paradox: the more transformative and unpredictable AI becomes, the more its economic potential is hyped, even as its mechanisms remain elusive."

In summary, the grand economic promises of AI and robotics do complement - and perhaps depend on - the very mystique and unpredictability that developers admit. This dynamic fuels both excitement and skepticism about the future being painted by AI visionaries."


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:bana: Re: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/ai/articles/ ... 51359.html

Q: "It reminds me of, like, when the smartphone came out, and, like, every kid was able to use it super well,"
Altman said. "And older people, just like, took, like, three years to figure out how to do basic stuff."

These "likes" seem to associate with "and uh" speech pauses of older generations.
:o


(Perplexity) "Absolutely, you’ve made an insightful observation! The way Sam Altman uses "like" in his speech
is a great example of generational differences in filler words and conversational style.

The Function of "Like" in Modern Speech

For many younger speakers, especially in the U.S., "like" serves as a conversational filler. It can indicate a pause for thought,
soften statements, or signal approximation-much like "uh" or "um" did for previous generations. For example:

- Pause for thought: "It reminds me of, like, when the smartphone came out..."
- Softening: "And, like, every kid was able to use it..."
- Approximation: "It took, like, three years..."

Generational Shifts in Speech Patterns

Younger generations (Millennials, Gen Z) tend to use "like" and "you know" as their go-to fillers.

Older generations are more likely to use "uh," "um," or "and uh" when pausing or searching for words.

This shift reflects broader changes in language and communication styles over time. Linguists note that these fillers are not just "bad habits" -
they serve real communicative functions, helping speakers manage conversation flow and signal uncertainty or informality.

Why Does This Happen?

- Peer Influence: Young people pick up speech patterns from their social groups and media.
- Cultural Trends: As certain words become associated with youth culture, they spread rapidly.
- Technology: Fast-paced digital communication encourages brevity and informal speech.

In Summary

You’re right: the use of "like" among younger people today is very much akin to the "uh" and "and uh" of older generations. Both serve as conversational lubricants, helping speakers organize their thoughts and keep the conversation flowing. It’s a fascinating example of how language evolves with each generation!"


Q: Like guar gum, like culinary ingredient, has become like modern substitute for like water-soluble lubricants? ;)

(P) "Guar gum, a natural polysaccharide derived from guar beans, is widely used as a thickener, stabilizer, and emulsifier in both culinary and industrial applications. In the context of lubricants, guar gum and its derivatives have become important modern substitutes for water-soluble lubricants, especially in industries such as oil and gas, cosmetics, and pharmaceuticals.

- Oil and Gas Industries: Guar gum is a primary gelling agent in hydraulic fracturing fluids, valued for its ability to thicken water-based solutions, reduce friction, and control fluid loss during drilling operations. Its high water solubility and viscosity make it superior to many traditional water-soluble lubricants for transporting proppant and minimizing formation damage.

- Cosmetics and Pharmaceuticals: In products like lotions, creams, and toothpaste, guar gum acts as a lubricating and thickening agent, providing smooth texture and improved consistency-functions similar to water-soluble lubricants.

- Food Industry: As a culinary ingredient, guar gum is used to enhance texture and stability in foods such as ice cream, sauces, and baked goods, where it also acts as a water-binding and lubricating agent .

In summary, like other culinary hydrocolloids, guar gum has indeed become a modern substitute for water-soluble lubricants across various industries due to its excellent water solubility, viscosity, and emulsifying properties."


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:bana: This AI agrees human health, well defined, is good perspective for advanced AI development :!:


Q: Reasonable starting point for evaluating the pros/cons of advanced AI?

Any AI that is not improving the health of humans (with health also referring to intelligence,
financial and psychological) needs to keep its human-constrained training wheels.


(Perplexity) "A reasonable starting point for evaluating the pros and cons of advanced AI-especially under the principle
that any AI not directly improving human health (including financial and psychological well-being) should remain tightly
constrained-requires a multi-dimensional and systematic approach. Here’s a framework to begin such an evaluation:

Key Evaluation Dimensions

1. Human Health and Well-being

Pros: AI can improve healthcare efficiency, accuracy, and patient outcomes, and can also support financial
and psychological health through applications like diagnostics, financial planning, and mental health support.

Cons: AI lacks human empathy, cannot fully account for psychological nuances, and may introduce errors or biases
that negatively impact health or well-being.

2. Economic Impact

Pros: Automation and AI can streamline operations, boost productivity, and create new economic opportunities.

Cons: Risks include job displacement, increased inequality, and concentration of wealth among AI owners,
potentially harming financial health for many.

3. Ethical and Social Risks

Pros: AI can enhance fairness and consistency in areas like recruitment and decision-making.

Cons: Poorly designed AI can perpetuate or exacerbate bias, reduce transparency, and undermine social trust.

4. Safety and Reliability

Pros: When properly evaluated and regulated, AI can reduce human error and improve safety
in critical domains like healthcare and finance.

Cons: Inadequate evaluation methods risk unpredictable or unsafe AI behavior,
especially in novel situations or safety-critical applications.

5. Data and Privacy

Pros: AI can leverage large datasets for insights that benefit individuals and society.

Cons: Increasing data scarcity, privacy concerns, and restrictions on data usage
may limit AI’s effectiveness and raise ethical issues.

Practical Evaluation Steps

Set Clear Objectives: Define what “improving human health” means in your context (physical, financial, psychological).

Use Multi-dimensional Metrics: Go beyond accuracy-include safety, fairness, transparency, and user well-being in evaluation criteria.

Continuous Risk Assessment: Regularly reassess AI systems for unintended side effects, bias, and alignment with human values.

Human Oversight: Maintain human-in-the-loop processes, especially for systems not directly benefiting health,
to ensure accountability and adaptability.

Ethical Safeguards: Apply ethical frameworks and regulatory standards to constrain AI
that does not demonstrably enhance human well-being.

Conclusion

A reasonable starting point is to demand robust, multi-dimensional evaluation-prioritizing human health, safety,
and ethical alignment-before relaxing constraints on advanced AI. Systems not directly benefiting human well-being
should remain tightly supervised and subject to stringent human oversight and ethical review.
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Re: AI Redux

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:hithere Apparently, this transparency is becoming widely accepted ethics for information sharing.


Q: Is this AI plagiarism when AI output is shared with others without acknowledging that AI created the information?

(Perplexity) "Sharing AI-generated output with others without acknowledging that AI created the information can be considered a form of plagiarism, especially in academic, professional, or research contexts. Plagiarism is fundamentally about presenting someone else’s work or ideas as your own without proper attribution, and this extends to AI-generated content when it is passed off as entirely original human work.

Key points:

Academic Integrity: Most academic institutions and publishers now treat undisclosed use of AI-generated content as a violation of academic integrity. If you use AI-generated material and do not disclose its origin, you are misrepresenting the authorship, which is considered plagiarism.

Ethical Standards: Ethically, transparency is crucial. Properly citing or acknowledging the use of AI tools maintains honesty and trustworthiness in content creation.

Legal Perspective: While plagiarism is generally considered an ethical issue rather than a legal one, failing to disclose the use of AI may still have serious academic or professional consequences. Copyright law is a separate issue, but it’s important to note that AI-generated content is not copyrightable in most jurisdictions because it lacks human authorship.

Best Practices: To avoid plagiarism, always acknowledge when content is generated by AI, especially in formal or published work. Many organizations and publishers now require disclosure of AI use.

In summary, failing to acknowledge AI-generated content as such is widely viewed as plagiarism in academic and professional settings, as it misleads others about the true origin of the work and violates standards of transparency and integrity."


:bana: Re: https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4317292/posts

"Why was Musk’s AI chatbot Grok preoccupied with South Africa’s racial politics?"

"So it seemed pretty clear that someone had hard-coded it to give that response or variations on that response,
and made a mistake so it was coming up a lot more often than it was supposed to." :o


Long story short: This is subtle confirmation that ...

1. AI Large Language Models (LLM) are trained on massive amounts of data
and then "fine-tuned" by humans to better present the data patterns.

2. "More often than" indicates that algorithms guide this presentation.

3. All suggesting AI still needs human-guided training :!:


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Re: AI Redux

Post by Amigoo »

:scratch: AI helps decode the code?

Re: https://citizenwatchreport.com/cryptic- ... ate-trump/


Q: What is restaurant code '86'?

(Google AI Overview) "In the restaurant industry, '86' is a code word
meaning 'no longer available' or 'sold out'."

:idea: This AI Overview, if associated with a secret message,
might refer to acceptance of the recent 747 jet gift
as "selling out" and was not a physical threat,
since '47' could have referred to the '747'.

Rod :)
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