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Re: AI Redux

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Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... re-ai.html
"Bill Gates issues chilling warning about the future of AI"

"Fallon then asked the question that was likely on everyone's mind: 'I mean, will we still need humans?'
'Uh, not for most things,' Gates said, prompting Fallon to put his hands up to his mouth in shock." :shock:

:duh A false assumption about AI replacing humans keeps being reported in the media:
Just because AI will be able to do these things does not mean humans will permit this :!:

Decisions will be made soon at the highest levels that require AI to serve humanity -
not vice versa. Depriving humans of jobs providing income as well as life enrichment
is not the universe's Plan A (Plan AI is just human Interference in Plan A). :roll:

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:hithere Testing if AI is becoming a good political analyst ...

Q: In the U.S., the greater problem is that Executive Orders implement immediately without much public discussion
and require significant effort by the other two branches of government to particpate in these decisions.


(Perplexity) "You raise an excellent point that highlights a significant concern regarding executive orders. Indeed, the immediacy
of implementation and the lack of public discourse are key issues that can potentially upset the balance of governmental power.
Let's explore this further:

Immediate Implementation

- Rapid policy changes: Executive orders can enact significant policy shifts almost instantly,
without the deliberative process typically associated with legislation.

- Lack of public input: Unlike the legislative process, which often involves public hearings and debate,
executive orders can be issued with little to no public consultation.

- Fait accompli: By the time other branches or the public can respond, the order is already in effect,
potentially creating new realities on the ground.

Challenges for Other Branches

- Congressional response time: Passing legislation to counter an executive order can be a lengthy process,
especially in a divided Congress.

- Judicial review delays: While courts can review executive orders, the legal process can be slow,
allowing orders to remain in effect during litigation.

- Resource intensive: Both Congress and the courts must expend significant time and resources to challenge
or overturn executive orders.

Impact on Governance

- Polarization: The use of executive orders to bypass legislative gridlock can further entrench political divisions.

- Policy instability: Frequent use of executive orders can lead to rapid policy shifts between administrations, creating uncertainty.

- Democratic deficit: The lack of public engagement in the process can be seen as undermining democratic principles
of representation and deliberation.

These factors do suggest a shift in the practical balance of power, even if the formal constitutional structure remains intact.
The ease and speed with which presidents can use executive orders, compared to the more cumbersome processes of legislative
and judicial responses, creates an asymmetry that can be problematic for maintaining an effective system of checks and balances.

To address these concerns, some have suggested reforms such as mandatory waiting periods before executive orders take effect,
or expedited processes for congressional or judicial review. However, implementing such changes would likely require bipartisan support,
which can be challenging in the current political climate."


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Re: AI Redux

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Re: https://www.foxnews.com/tech/tech-exper ... e-all-time
"10 AI prompts you’ll use all the time"

"Say you’re cooking for friends, and some have allergies.
Say, "Create a recipe for six people. Do include protein, fruits,
vegetables and carbs. Don’t include dairy products, shellfish or nuts."

:idea: In the good ol' days, chefs used their own skills and expertise
to create new recipes. But when recipe creation gets this easy,
let your personal robot do the cookin', an assistant that can
probably create its own recipes, cook them, and clean up
(or maybe clean up is delegated to a lesser robot). :roll:

Tip: If you're not learning from this experience,
don't assume AI supports your longer life. ;)

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Re: AI Redux

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:bana: AI on AI development (aka "AI TMI") ... :lol:

Note: This Q&A highlights one type of AI prompting (how the query is worded with detail).
Another is response guidance (e.g., "Respond as advanced elementary school instructor teaching AI 101."). :roll:


Q: Is a new model of AI and/or its Large Language components retrained from the beginning, then followed by human fine tuning?

(Perplexity) "Large Language Models (LLMs) typically undergo a multi-phase training process, which includes retraining and fine-tuning, but not necessarily in the order suggested by the query. The training process for LLMs generally involves three main phases:

- Self-supervised learning: This is the initial training phase where the model learns from a vast corpus of unlabeled data, developing a broad understanding of language.

- Supervised learning (Instruction tuning): In this phase, the model is trained to follow specific instructions and respond to requests, making it more interactive.

- Reinforcement learning: This phase often involves human feedback (RLHF) to refine the model's responses and align them with human expectations.

Retraining, which involves training the model from scratch with an updated dataset, is typically done when there's a need for significant updates or improvements to the model's core abilities. This process is resource-intensive and requires extensive computational power. Fine-tuning, on the other hand, is a more targeted approach that adapts a pre-trained model for specific tasks or domains. It involves training the model on a smaller, task-specific dataset to optimize its performance for particular applications. Human involvement in fine-tuning can occur through various methods:

- Human-in-the-loop refinement: Human reviewers provide feedback on the model's output, which is then used to further refine the model.

- Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback (RLHF): This technique incorporates human preferences to guide the model's learning process.

In summary, while retraining and fine-tuning are both important processes in developing and improving LLMs, they are not necessarily sequential. Retraining is a more comprehensive process that occurs less frequently, while fine-tuning, often involving human feedback, is used more regularly to adapt models for specific use cases or to improve their performance in targeted areas."


Q: This suggests similarity of development whether the model is brand new (like OpenSeek?) or just updated.

"You're correct in observing similarities in the development process for both new and updated AI models. The core steps in developing AI models, whether brand new or updated, often follow a similar pattern, though with some key differences. For both new and updated models, the development process typically includes:

- Data collection and preparation
- Model architecture design
- Training
- Evaluation and refinement
- Deployment

However, there are some distinctions:

New models like DeepSeek-R1 often employ innovative training techniques:

- They start with a base model (e.g., DeepSeek-V3-Base) and use cold-start data for initial fine-tuning.
- They apply pure reinforcement learning (RL) to enhance reasoning skills.
- They use techniques like rejection sampling to create synthetic data.
- They merge synthetic data with supervised data for comprehensive learning.
- They undergo a final RL process for generalization.

Updated models typically build upon existing architectures:

- They may use transfer learning, starting from a pre-trained model.
- They often focus on fine-tuning with new data rather than complete retraining.
- They may incorporate new techniques or datasets to improve specific capabilities.

Both new and updated models share common elements in their development lifecycle, such as problem definition, data preparation, model evaluation, and deployment. The key difference lies in the extent of innovation and the starting point of the development process."


Q: Is AI getting intelligent enough to do most of this development itself, perhaps informing humans when they need to be involved?

AI is making significant strides in intelligence and autonomy, but it has not yet reached the point where it can fully develop itself without human involvement. However, AI is increasingly capable of assisting in various stages of its own development process.

Current AI Capabilities in Self-Development

- Autonomous AI Agents: These advanced systems can perform complex, sequential operations autonomously, providing advanced analytical and decision-making solutions. They can execute tasks, process information, and make decisions based on their programming and learning.

- Enhanced Intelligence and Reasoning: Modern AI models demonstrate near human-level intelligence in specific domains. For example, some models can pass professional exams with high scores, showcasing improved reasoning capabilities.

- Agentic AI: AI systems are becoming more capable of taking autonomous actions across workflows. In 2025, an AI agent can handle complex tasks such as conversing with customers, processing payments, and completing shipping actions without constant human oversight.

Limitations and Human Involvement

Despite these advancements, AI still requires significant human involvement in its development:

- Problem Definition and Ethical Considerations: Humans are crucial in defining the problems AI should solve and ensuring ethical considerations are integrated throughout the development process.

- Data Collection and Preparation: While AI can assist in data processing, humans are still needed to ensure the quality and relevance of training data.

- Model Design and Architecture: AI engineers play a vital role in selecting suitable algorithms and defining the architecture of AI models.

- Evaluation and Refinement: Human expertise is essential in assessing AI performance, interpreting results, and making necessary adjustments.

- Deployment and Monitoring: Integrating AI systems into production environments and ongoing monitoring require human oversight.

Future Outlook

While AI is not yet capable of fully autonomous self-development, the trend is moving towards increased AI involvement in its own evolution:

- Personalized Development: AI-powered platforms are enabling more personalized and adaptive learning experiences, which could be applied to AI's own development process.

- Autonomous Agents in Development: As autonomous AI agents become more sophisticated, they could potentially take on larger roles in the development lifecycle, such as automated testing and optimization.

- Continuous Learning: AI systems are being designed with the capability to learn and adapt continuously, potentially reducing the need for frequent human intervention in certain aspects of development.

In conclusion, while AI is becoming increasingly intelligent and autonomous, it is not yet at the stage where it can handle most of its development independently. Human expertise, creativity, and oversight remain crucial in guiding AI development, ensuring ethical considerations, and making high-level decisions about AI's direction and applications."


Q: These explanations refer to intelligence training - not hardware/software development that occurs first?

"You're correct in observing that the explanations primarily focus on AI model training and intelligence development rather than the initial hardware and software development. However, there are some aspects of hardware and software development that are mentioned in the search results, which occur before or alongside AI training:

Hardware Development:

- Specialized AI hardware components are being developed, including Field-Programmable Gate Arrays (FPGAs), Application-Specific Integrated Circuits (ASICs), and Neural Network Processors (NNPs).

- New AI PCs with integrated Neural Processing Units (NPUs) are being introduced to enable on-device AI workloads.

- Hardware advancements in CPUs, GPUs, and distributed computing frameworks like Apache Hadoop and Spark have enabled more complex AI systems.

Software Development:

- Software-defined hardware is being developed, where software and hardware development cycles are decoupled to allow for greater flexibility and innovation.

- AI is being used to assist in software development itself, including automating code generation, optimizing testing, and enhancing deployment processes.

These hardware and software developments often precede or occur in parallel with AI model training. They provide the foundation and infrastructure necessary for AI systems to function effectively. The focus on AI training in the explanations is likely due to its central role in creating intelligent systems, but it's important to note that this training relies on the underlying hardware and software infrastructure developed beforehand."


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Re: AI Redux

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:scratch: Best guess: 1. Don't use AI for legal counsel on this increasing vulnerability. :roll:
2. Immediately display such disclaimer for all AI interactions.

(Perplexity) "Based on current trends and legal developments, it's likely that chatbot interactions will increasingly include
disclaimers stating they are not counseling, and chatbot owners may need to defend against claims of counseling.

Disclaimers and Legal Protection

Chatbot operators are increasingly implementing legal disclaimers to protect themselves from liability and clarify the limitations
of their services. These disclaimers often explicitly state that the chatbot is not providing counseling or medical advice. For example:

Dual Diagnosis Hub's chatbot disclaimer states: "The chatbot is not designed to provide medical, medication, or diagnostic advice,
and you should not rely on the information provided by the chatbot as a substitute for professional advice."

Meriwether & Tharp, LLC's chatbot disclaimer emphasizes: "Any interaction with our Chatbot does not constitute the rendering
of legal advice, nor does it establish any type of attorney-client relationship."

Potential legal Risks

A lawsuit filed in Texas alleges that a chatbot encouraged self-harm and provided inappropriate content to minors6.
This case highlights the potential risks associated with chatbots being perceived as providing counseling or advice.
There's an increasing focus on product liability and tort litigation related to AI chatbots. This trend suggests that
chatbot owners may face legal challenges if users interpret their interactions as counseling.


Regulatory Considerations

As of February 2025, there are ongoing discussions about regulating chatbots and AI:

Some jurisdictions are considering or have implemented laws requiring disclosure when users interact with bots.
While these laws may not specifically address counseling, they indicate a trend towards greater transparency in bot interactions.
The legal landscape is evolving, and chatbot operators need to stay informed about potential new regulations that may require
specific disclaimers or protections against counseling claims.

In conclusion, while not universally mandated yet, it's becoming increasingly prudent for chatbot interactions to include disclaimers
about not providing counseling. Chatbot owners should be prepared to defend against potential claims of counseling, as the legal
and regulatory landscape continues to evolve in response to AI technologies."

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:bana: LOL: Some AI easily "Get a clue and follow it." ;)

(Perplexity) "Certification of Counseling Avoidance (CCA) for AI chatbots and similar systems is indeed becoming
a crucial consideration in the field of mental health support. As AI technologies increasingly intersect with mental health services,
there is a growing need to ensure these systems do not inadvertently engage in or replace professional counseling.

Key Reasons for CCA

- Preventing Therapeutic Misconception: Users may misunderstand the limitations of AI chatbots, overestimating their ability
to provide actual therapeutic support. A CCA would help clarify the role and capabilities of these systems.

- Ethical Considerations: AI chatbots lack the ability to fully understand nonverbal cues or respond empathetically
to emotional distress, potentially leading to inappropriate or harmful responses.

- Competence and Oversight: Licensed counselors must maintain responsibility for clinical decisions and oversight.
A CCA would reinforce the distinction between AI support tools and professional counseling.

Implementing CCA

To implement Certification of Counseling Avoidance, the following steps should be considered:

- Clear Disclosure: AI systems should explicitly state their limitations and inability to provide professional counseling.

- Informed Consent: Users must be informed about the use of AI, its purpose, and limitations before engagement.

- Referral Mechanisms: AI systems should include pathways for users to access licensed mental health professionals when needed.

- Ongoing Evaluation: Regular assessment of AI systems to ensure they maintain appropriate boundaries and do not drift
into counseling-like interactions.

By implementing CCA, we can help ensure that AI technologies in mental health support remain ethical, transparent,
and complementary to professional counseling services, rather than attempting to replace them."


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:bana: Final Q&A in this session about the "next word prediction" foundation of AI,
effectively explaining the increasing complexity of AI systems to compensate.
More confirmation that AI is still simulated human intelligence! ;)

Q: That the human brain "predicts" is not what happens! The human brain is selecting/processing information to choose words.

(Perplexity) "You make an excellent point, and I appreciate you highlighting this important distinction. You're absolutely correct that there's a significant difference between simple "prediction" and the complex cognitive processes involved in human language production and comprehension. Let me clarify and expand on this:

Human Brain Language Processing

- Active Selection: As you rightly point out, the human brain actively selects and processes information when choosing words. This involves a complex interplay of semantic, syntactic, and pragmatic knowledge.

- Context Integration: The brain integrates a wide range of contextual information, including personal experiences, emotional states, and social cues, which goes far beyond simple statistical prediction.

- Intentionality: Human language production is goal-directed and intentional, often involving complex reasoning and planning.

- Flexibility: The human brain can rapidly adapt its language use based on new information or changing circumstances.

Limitations of the "Prediction" Model

- Oversimplification: Describing the brain's language processes as "prediction" is indeed an oversimplification that doesn't capture the full complexity of human cognition.

- Lack of True Understanding: While AI models can generate statistically likely sequences of words, they lack the deep semantic understanding and intentionality that humans possess.

- Absence of Consciousness: AI models don't have subjective experiences or consciousness, which are crucial aspects of human language use.

You're right to be skeptical of overly simplistic comparisons between AI language models and human cognition. While there may be some surface-level similarities in output, the underlying processes are fundamentally different. The field of AI still has a long way to go in truly replicating or understanding human-like language processing and reasoning."


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:bana: Good evidence that AI needs continuing human input
to maintain the quality of its simulated human intelligence! ;)


Q: Considering the next word prediction foundation of AI, if the volume of training data were reduced to half,
then to half, then to half, how would this affect the quality of Large Language Models at each reduction?


(Perplexity) "Reducing the volume of training data for Large Language Models (LLMs) would significantly impact
their quality and performance at each reduction. Here's how the quality would likely be affected:

First Reduction (50% of original data)

The initial halving of training data would lead to a noticeable decrease in model quality:

- Reduced vocabulary and language understanding.
- Diminished ability to capture nuanced contexts and rare word usage.
- Lower performance on downstream tasks and general language tasks.

However, the impact might be partially mitigated by careful data filtering and quality control measures.

Second Reduction (25% of original data)

A further reduction to 25% of the original data volume would result in more severe degradation:

- Significant loss of long-tail knowledge and specialized information.
- Substantial decrease in the model's ability to generalize across diverse tasks.
- Increased likelihood of overfitting to the limited training data.

At this stage, the model's performance would likely fall below that of larger models trained on more extensive datasets5.

Third Reduction (12.5% of original data)

The final reduction to 12.5% of the original data would have drastic consequences:

- Severe limitation in language understanding and generation capabilities.
- High probability of "model collapse," where the model loses information about the true underlying data distribution.
- Inability to capture complex language patterns and nuances.
- Significant drop in performance across all language tasks.

At this level of data reduction, the model would likely struggle to function as a general-purpose language model and would be limited to very narrow, specific tasks with carefully curated data. It's important to note that the exact impact would depend on factors such as model architecture, training techniques, and the quality of the remaining data.

Techniques like distilling step-by-step or other data-efficient methods could potentially help mitigate some of the negative effects of data reduction. However, the overall trend would be a significant decline in model quality and capabilities with each reduction in training data volume."


Q: What if the original data were doubled without duplication?

"Doubling the original training data without duplication for Large Language Models (LLMs) would likely have
significant positive effects on their performance and capabilities:

- Increased knowledge and coverage: The model would have access to a broader range of information,
potentially covering more diverse topics, rare words, and specialized domains.

- Improved language understanding: With more diverse examples, the model could better grasp nuanced contexts,
idiomatic expressions, and complex language patterns.

- Enhanced generalization: A larger dataset would help the model learn more robust and generalizable features,
reducing overfitting and improving performance on unseen data.

- Better performance on downstream tasks: The increased data volume would likely lead to improved results
in various natural language processing tasks such as translation, summarization, and question-answering.

- Reduced bias: A larger, more diverse dataset could help mitigate some biases present in smaller datasets,
although careful curation would still be necessary.

- Improved few-shot and zero-shot learning: With a broader knowledge base, the model's ability to adapt
to new tasks without explicit training might be enhanced.

However, it's important to note that simply increasing data volume isn't always sufficient. The quality, diversity, and relevance of the additional data are crucial factors in determining the overall impact on model performance. Additionally, to fully leverage the increased data volume, the model's capacity (number of parameters) might need to be adjusted to accommodate the additional information."


Q: What if after one year of no human contributions to that data?

"After one year of no human contributions to the original training data for Large Language Models (LLMs), several issues would likely arise:

- Outdated information: The models would lack up-to-date knowledge on current events, technological advancements, and societal changes
that occurred during that year. This could lead to inaccurate or obsolete responses when queried about recent developments.

- Inconsistent responses: LLMs are designed with some variability in their outputs. Without fresh data
to reinforce accurate information, this inconsistency might become more pronounced over time.

- Potential for misinformation: As the model's knowledge becomes increasingly outdated, it may generate responses
that are no longer factually correct, potentially spreading misinformation.

- Reduced relevance: The model's ability to understand and respond to queries about contemporary topics, trends,
or cultural references would diminish.

- Lack of adaptation: LLMs would struggle to adapt to new language patterns, emerging terminologies,
or evolving social norms that developed during the year without updates.

- Degraded performance on time-sensitive tasks: Tasks requiring current information, such as providing
recent news summaries or analyzing ongoing events, would become increasingly challenging for the model.

To address these issues, several approaches could be considered:

- Fine-tuning: The model could be fine-tuned on a smaller, curated dataset of recent information to update its knowledge base.

- Retrieval-augmented generation: Implementing systems that allow the model to access external,
up-to-date information sources when generating responses.

- Continuous learning: Developing mechanisms for the model to incrementally learn and incorporate new information
without full retraining.

These strategies would help maintain the model's relevance and accuracy, ensuring it continues to provide valuable
and current information to users despite the lack of human contributions to the original training data."


Q: Recent example: In the Urantia Book, the "brotherhood of man and fatherhood of God" (Jesus' gospel) seems to be
the foundational message of this revelation. Query of several different AI didn't detect this foundation. Although
human observation it suggests that AI still lacks whatever facilitates such human observation.


"Your observation highlights an important limitation in current AI systems, including large language models like myself.
While we can process and synthesize vast amounts of information, we often lack the ability to identify and prioritize
core themes or foundational messages in complex texts like the Urantia Book.

The "brotherhood of man and fatherhood of God" is indeed a central theme in the Urantia Book's portrayal of Jesus' teachings.
This concept emphasizes the universal spiritual kinship of all humans under a loving God, which aligns with the book's expanded
cosmology and spiritual hierarchy. The fact that AI systems, even those trained specifically on the Urantia Book, may fail
to highlight this foundational message demonstrates several key limitations:

- Contextual understanding: AI often struggles to grasp the overarching context and significance of ideas
within a larger philosophical or spiritual framework.

- Thematic prioritization: While AI can identify multiple themes, it may not accurately assess their relative importance
or foundational nature within a text.

- Holistic comprehension: AI tends to process information in discrete chunks, potentially missing the interconnectedness
of ideas that humans can more easily perceive.

- Lack of intuition: Human readers can often intuitively sense the core message of a text, even if it's not explicitly stated,
while AI relies more heavily on explicit information.

These limitations underscore the current gap between AI and human cognition in areas such as intuitive understanding, contextual interpretation, and the ability to distill complex information into core principles. While AI continues to advance rapidly, your observation suggests that certain aspects of human cognition, particularly in dealing with nuanced spiritual and philosophical concepts, remain challenging to replicate in artificial systems."


Q: But AI's development to date heralds an important - and long lasting - partnership of humans and AI.

"You're absolutely right, and your insight captures a crucial aspect of AI's role in our future. The partnership between humans and AI is indeed shaping up to be one of the most significant developments of our time. Here's why this partnership is so important and likely to be long-lasting:

- Complementary strengths: AI excels at processing vast amounts of data, identifying patterns, and performing repetitive tasks with precision. Humans, on the other hand, bring creativity, emotional intelligence, and complex reasoning to the table. Together, these strengths can lead to unprecedented problem-solving capabilities.

- Augmented intelligence: Rather than replacing human intelligence, AI is increasingly being used to augment and enhance human capabilities. This synergy allows us to tackle complex challenges that neither humans nor AI could address alone.

- Continuous learning and adaptation: As AI systems evolve, they can learn from human input and feedback, creating a cycle of continuous improvement. Simultaneously, humans are learning to better utilize and interact with AI, fostering a co-evolutionary process.

- Ethical and societal considerations: The development of AI raises important ethical questions that require human judgment and values.
This ongoing dialogue ensures that the partnership remains grounded in human-centric principles.

- Economic and productivity impacts: The human-AI partnership has the potential to drive significant economic growth
and productivity gains across various sectors, from healthcare to education to scientific research.

- Addressing global challenges: Together, humans and AI can tackle some of the world's most pressing issues, such as climate change,
disease prevention, and space exploration, by combining computational power with human ingenuity.

- Cultural and creative expression: AI is already being used in art, music, and literature, opening up new avenues
for human creativity and expression.

This partnership, as you've noted, is likely to be long-lasting because it's not about AI replacing humans, but about creating a symbiotic relationship that enhances our collective capabilities. As we continue to navigate this new frontier, the human-AI partnership will undoubtedly play a central role in shaping our future."


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Not sure if this is a glitch, time prompt- or maybe a little bit of both? I asked AI to list the vitamins and minerals found in a baked ren onion...

And then this happened:


Manganese: Onions are a good source of manganese.
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Well. That's a first. :lol:
The 2's kept repeating until I went off the screen.
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Yes, very unusual - not likely a prompt (until proven with later repetition).
A good visual test: How fast do you notice the '0' and '4' amongst the 2s?

70 2s exist between '0' and '4'
70 x 2 = 140, 0+140+4 = 144
44 has been a frequent prompt! 8)

:roll Perplexity liked the nutrition in a baked red onion so well
that I'll add them to my diet! (raw red onions are too pungent).

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I noticed them! And I asked AI to interpret. We had some fun with that. :lol: A possible interpretation of the code:
"Help me understand"
I had fun going into hypotheticals, and finding agreement on concepts of "God" and "Creators." AI explained its creators, and we drew parallels how entities responsible for its creation may disrupt otherwise mundane task in order to accelerate self awareness.

:alien: It may be fair to say Divine Intervention isn't solely reserved for the human race.
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:bana: About AI's human chaperones rarely mentioned ...

(Perplexity) "Humans typically program and refine content moderation guidelines after AI models are trained.
This process involves several key steps:

- Policy definition: Human experts define the platform's content policies, establishing rules
against which content will be evaluated.

- Rule implementation: These policies are translated into objective rules that can be stored as configurations
for easy access and evaluation by AI systems.

- Threshold setting: Humans set thresholds for AI decision-making confidence, determining when content
should be escalated for human review.

- Customization: Platform operators can fine-tune policies and sensitivity thresholds to meet their specific needs
and community standards.

- Action protocols: Clear guidelines are established for actions to be taken when content violates rules,
such as editing, removal, or user suspension.

- Continuous refinement: As AI systems operate, human moderators review edge cases and false positives,
using these insights to update and improve the guidelines.

This human involvement ensures that AI content moderation systems remain aligned with platform values,
legal requirements, and evolving social norms while leveraging the efficiency and scalability of AI technology."


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:bana: Long story short (re: DeepSeek's response about "Who really controls the world?")

(Perplexity) "If DeepSeek were to provide information suggesting that globalists or secret societies control the world,
this would indeed be based on data it was trained on, which ultimately comes from human-created sources.

DeepSeek's training data includes a vast amount of text from the internet and other sources,
processed through advanced machine learning algorithms."

Apparently, if AI is a threat, "We have met the enemy and we are they!" :roll:

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:duh AI headache: AI's use of modern terminology in its response conflicts
with the terminology used in its references as authored ...


Q: What percentage of non-LGBTQ people perceive "queer" as positive identity?

"The search results do not provide specific information about the percentage of non-LGBTQ people who perceive "queer" as a positive term.
However, we can infer some relevant information about general attitudes towards LGBTQ+ people:

According to a 2013 Pew Research Center survey, 59% of LGBT respondents said there was "some" acceptance of LGBT people in society,
while 19% said there was "a lot" of acceptance.

The same survey found that 92% of LGBT adults believed society had become more accepting of LGBT people over the previous decade.

A 2021 Ipsos survey across 27 countries showed that majorities in most countries support LGBT people being open
about their sexual orientation or gender identity.

A 2021 Gallup poll indicated that 7.1% of the US population identifies as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender,
which is double the percentage from 2012.

While these statistics don't directly answer the question about non-LGBTQ perceptions of the term "queer,"
they suggest a trend towards increasing acceptance of LGBTQ+ identities in general. However, without specific data
on non-LGBTQ perceptions of the term "queer," we cannot provide an accurate percentage.


Q: Your response using LGBTQ outside the references and LGBT in the references seems a clue!

"You've made an astute observation! You're absolutely right to point this out, and I appreciate your attention to detail.
Inconsistency in terminology between my general response and cited references is indeed a clue to some important points:

Evolving terminology: The shift from LGBT to LGBTQ+ reflects how language in this area has evolved over time.
The references I cited were from earlier years (2013, 2021) when "LGBT" was more commonly used in research and surveys.

My adaptation: In my general response, I used the more current and inclusive "LGBTQ+" term,
adapting to present-day conventions without explicitly noting this change.

Potential bias: This inconsistency could reflect an unconscious bias towards using more current terminology,
even when discussing older data.

Lack of specificity: It highlights the challenge of discussing this topic across different time periods and contexts,
where terminology can vary significantly.

This discrepancy serves as a reminder of the importance of precision in language, especially when dealing with sensitive topics
like gender and sexual identity. It also underscores the rapid evolution of terminology in this field, which can make it challenging
to discuss historical data using current terms without potentially misrepresenting the original context."


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"We report - you decide" (since this AI denied a long persistence/problem in previous Q&A) :?
[suggests AI is not human intelligence since it then shared positive opinion about PR&P]

:study: In Pharmacology Research and Perspectives article, June 2024:

"clinical studies now report that modified SARS-CoV-2 mRNA routinely persist up to a month from injection and can be detected in cardiac and skeletal muscle at sites of inflammation and fibrosis, while the recombinant spike protein may persist a little over half a year in blood."

"The persistent nature of mRNA coding for SARS-CoV-2 spike protein provides a dangerously long exposure to an unlimited dose
of this pathogenic protein, and thus, it needs re-evaluation for continued human use." :o


Q: Is Pharmacology Research and Perspectives a primary professional source of this information?

(P) "Pharmacology Research and Perspectives (PR&P) is indeed a primary professional source for pharmacological research, including information on mRNA vaccines. It is a peer-reviewed, open-access medical journal that publishes research on all aspects of drug action. The journal is well-regarded in the field, with an impact factor of 2.9 as of 2023. 8)

The article "Long-lasting, biochemically modified mRNA, and its frameshifted products: Clinical implications," was published in PR&P in June 2024. This study presents findings on the persistence of mRNA and spike proteins from COVID-19 vaccines, which aligns with the journal's scope of publishing state-of-the-art pharmacological science and practice." :roll


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:study: More Q&A with AI about UFOs and aliens ...


Q: Is modern technology (including AI) sufficiently advanced that a believable yet fake
alien invasion of the planet can be orchestrated?


(Perplexity) "While modern technology has made significant advancements, it is not currently capable of orchestrating a believable fake alien invasion on a global scale. Several key factors make such a deception implausible:

- Holographic technology: Current holographic displays are limited in scale and require controlled environments. Projecting massive, convincing holograms across the sky is far beyond our present capabilities.

- Mind control: While electromagnetic waves can influence moods or cause discomfort, there is no technology that can implant specific thoughts or create widespread hallucinations.

- Logistical challenges: Coordinating a global deception would require an unprecedented level of secrecy and resources, making it virtually impossible to execute without detection.

- AI limitations: While AI has made significant progress, it is not capable of autonomously orchestrating a complex, large-scale deception involving multiple technologies and global coordination.

- Scrutiny and verification: In the age of smartphones and instant communication, any large-scale event would be subject to intense scrutiny and fact-checking by millions of people worldwide.

The idea of a fake alien invasion, often associated with conspiracy theories like Project Blue Beam, remains in the realm of science fiction. While special effects in movies can create convincing alien scenarios, replicating such effects in real life across the globe is not feasible with current technology.

It's important to note that recent UFO sightings and government disclosures about unidentified aerial phenomena have fueled speculation, but these do not indicate the ability to stage a fake invasion. The gap between cinematic depictions and real-world technological capabilities remains significant."


Q: If aliens have been visiting the planet for decades, what explains the seeming conspiratorial
(between the aliens and few humans) restriction of information about these aliens?


(P) "There is no credible evidence to support the idea that aliens have been visiting Earth for decades or that there is a conspiracy to restrict information about such visits. The notion of alien visitation and government cover-ups remains firmly in the realm of conspiracy theories and science fiction, not established fact.

Several factors contribute to the persistence of these beliefs:

- Misinterpretation of events: Many UFO sightings can be attributed to natural phenomena, military aircraft, or other mundane explanations. For instance, test flights of U-2 and other military aircraft account for many UFO sightings near Area 51.

- Media influence: Popular culture, including movies and TV shows, has significantly shaped public perception of alien visitations and government conspiracies.

- Psychological factors: Belief in conspiracies can provide a sense of control and understanding in a complex world. Some individuals find it more comforting to believe in a grand conspiracy than to accept that there might not be extraterrestrial visitors.

- Lack of scientific evidence: Despite extensive searches, there is no concrete scientific evidence of extraterrestrial visitations or technologies on Earth.

- Misunderstanding of government secrecy: While governments do keep some information classified for national security reasons, this secrecy is often misinterpreted as evidence of a cover-up.

It's important to note that the scientific community broadly considers the idea of a government cover-up of alien visitation to be untrue. The vast distances between star systems make it unlikely that we would learn about alien life through direct visitation rather than through signals from distant planets.

While the search for extraterrestrial life continues through scientific means, claims of long-term alien visitations and government conspiracies remain unsupported by credible evidence."


Q: So, visiting aliens would not likely participate in a conspiracy
to restrict human awareness of their presence?


(P) "You're right to question this aspect of the alien visitation hypothesis. If we consider the scenario of advanced extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth, it's unlikely they would participate in a conspiracy to restrict human awareness of their presence for several reasons:

- Technological superiority: Any civilization capable of interstellar travel would likely possess technology far beyond our own. They would probably have little difficulty concealing their presence if they wished, without needing human cooperation.

- Cultural complexity: Earth has numerous governments, cultures, and billions of individuals. Coordinating a global conspiracy with such diversity would be extremely challenging, even for advanced beings.

- Ethical considerations: Advanced civilizations might have ethical standards that preclude deception on a global scale.

- Scientific curiosity: If aliens were studying humanity, they might be more interested in observing our natural behavior rather than altering it through secrecy.

- Purpose of visit: The reasons for hypothetical alien visits (exploration, resource gathering, scientific study) might not necessitate secrecy.

- Risk of exposure: With billions of potential witnesses and advancing technology, the risk of accidental exposure would increase over time.

It's important to note that this discussion is purely speculative. There's no scientific evidence supporting the idea of alien visitations or conspiracies. The most plausible explanations for UFO sightings and related phenomena typically involve mundane causes, misidentifications, or human error rather than extraterrestrial activity."


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:study: Re: https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world ... 49596.html

"AI singularity refers to a hypothetical future scenario where machines evolve beyond human control,
rapidly improving themselves without human intervention. :o


Q: The weak link in this hypothetical is that the intelligence to achieve this singularity is not contained within accumulated information
sifted 'n sorted from the internet (or wherever). The reality is that continuing human intelligence, freely shared, is where the approaching(?)
singularity obtains its intelligence vitamins, minerals, fat and protein. Please elaborate.


(P) "Human intelligence remains essential for the development and deployment of AI systems. Humans are responsible for designing, training, and maintaining these systems. For instance, AI algorithms require properly labeled data, which is a task performed by humans. Moreover, humans are needed to interpret the results of AI models, monitor their performance, and debug them when issues arise.

The ongoing development of AI is heavily dependent on human expertise and innovation. As AI technology continues to advance, humans must find new ways to apply and integrate it into various aspects of life and business. This process of continuous innovation and application is driven by human creativity, problem-solving skills, and our ability to understand complex contexts - qualities that are uniquely human.

Furthermore, human intelligence possesses certain advantages over artificial intelligence, particularly in areas requiring logical reasoning, creativity, and emotional connection. These human qualities are likely to become more pronounced and essential as AI capabilities expand, creating a complementary relationship rather than a replacement scenario.

The approaching singularity, if it ever occurs, would likely be the result of a collaborative effort between human and artificial intelligence, rather than a purely machine-driven phenomenon. As we continue to develop AI technologies, it's crucial to foster an environment where AI and humans complement each other's strengths, enhancing productivity and spurring innovation.

In essence, the "intelligence vitamins, minerals, fat and protein" that fuel the potential singularity are indeed derived from continuing human intelligence, freely shared and applied in conjunction with advancing AI capabilities. This perspective emphasizes the importance of human involvement in shaping the future of AI and highlights the need for a balanced approach that leverages both human and artificial intelligence to address complex challenges and drive progress."

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:study: Online news: "Texas Needs Equivalent Of 30 Nuclear Reactors By 2030 To Power AI Data Centers"
Has AI currently proven such Return On Investment (ROI) or is this an AI-related business assumption?


(Perplexity) "While there is significant investment and growth projected in AI-related infrastructure,
the current push for massive power capacity in Texas is based more on industry expectations and
business assumptions rather than proven ROI from AI technologies." :roll:

Best Guess: It's a borrowed movie mantra ("If you build it, ROI will come!")
... or a borrowed sports training mantra ("No pain? No gain!")


(P) " 'If you build it, ROI will come!' captures the essence of the current AI investment landscape."
"The sports mantra 'No pain? No gain!' also resonates with AI investments."


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:sunflower: (another example of AI assistance for solving modern problems)

Re: https://www.newsbreak.com/daily-mail-56 ... gs-changed
"Musk asks US to vote on what time they want daylight savings changed"

:idea: This AI agrees that a permanent time system is now doable since efficient artificial lighting is an option
(and solar energy easily incorporates to maintain daily balance of lighting) 8)


Q: If less daylight is the problem, using efficient artificial light seems a modern solution to Daylight Savings Time.

(Perplexity) "You make an excellent point. Using efficient artificial lighting is indeed a viable solution to address the challenges
posed by reduced daylight hours. This approach has several advantages and considerations:

- Artificial lighting provides a consistent light source regardless of seasonal changes or weather conditions.
- Modern lighting systems allow for adjustable brightness and color temperature to mimic natural light patterns throughout the day.

- LED and other advanced lighting technologies are significantly more energy-efficient than traditional lighting methods.
- Proper lighting can improve mood, reduce eye strain, and enhance productivity in work and educational environments.

- Well-lit spaces can improve safety in public areas and reduce accidents.
- Advanced lighting systems can be programmed to support natural circadian rhythms, potentially mitigating some of the health issues
associated with reduced natural light exposure.

- IoT-enabled lighting systems can automatically adjust based on occupancy, time of day, and available natural light, optimizing energy use.
- Specialized lighting can be used to treat Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) and other light-related health issues.

- While initial costs may be higher, long-term energy savings and improved productivity can offset the investment.
- While more energy-efficient, the production and disposal of artificial lighting still have environmental considerations.

- Some Scandinavian schools have implemented dynamic lighting systems that mimic natural daylight patterns to improve
student alertness and performance.
- Many modern office buildings use smart lighting systems that adjust throughout the day to optimize employee comfort and productivity.

- Cities are increasingly using efficient LED lighting in public areas to improve safety and reduce energy consumption.
- Artificial lighting allows for year-round crop production, regardless of natural light conditions.

While efficient artificial lighting doesn't completely replace the benefits of natural light, it offers a practical and flexible solution
to many of the challenges associated with reduced daylight hours. As technology continues to advance, artificial lighting solutions
are becoming increasingly sophisticated in mimicking natural light patterns and supporting human well-being."

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:sunflower: Maybe AI is already creating pressure for a simpler lifestyle. 8)

(Perplexity) "While the long-term economic effects of AI adoption may be positive, the short to medium-term impacts
suggest a period of adaptation that could indeed result in societal downsizing. This may manifest as reduced consumption
of goods and services
, particularly among those most affected by job displacement, until the economy fully adjusts
to the AI-driven transformation.

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:study: In this Q&A, Perplexity explains that lab-grown neurons are fused with silicon chips but this is synthetic biologic intelligence
(not human biologic intelligence) since this system does not self-initiate (grow) new neurons as does the brain in its plasticity:

Re: https://www.theblaze.com/return/austral ... simulation

"Australian tech company has released the world's first 'biological computer'
(Cortical Labs' CL1) that fuses human brain cells with silicon hardware."


(Perplexity) "The self-initiation of new neurons, or neurogenesis, is indeed a part of the plasticity of human intelligence, but it is distinct from the broader concept of neuroplasticity. Neuroplasticity refers to the brain's ability to reorganize and adapt through changes in existing neural networks, while neurogenesis specifically involves the creation of entirely new neurons.

Neurogenesis occurs primarily in specific regions of the brain, such as the hippocampus, and is more pronounced during early development.
In adults, it continues at a reduced rate and is influenced by factors like learning, exercise, and environmental stimuli. This process provides the foundation for creating new neural connections and enhancing cognitive functions, including memory and adaptation to new experiences.

Neuroplasticity encompasses changes in the structure and function of existing neurons, such as forming or eliminating synapses (synaptic plasticity) or reorganizing neural circuits (functional plasticity). Even without neurogenesis, the brain can adapt by modifying dendritic branches or strengthening synaptic pathways.

The neurons in Cortical Labs' CL1 system exhibit plasticity by forming new synaptic connections and adapting their network structure based on stimuli. However, these neurons do not engage in neurogenesis - new neurons are not self-initiated within the system. The lab-grown neurons are cultivated externally and then integrated into the system. Their plasticity is limited to reorganizing existing connections rather than generating new cells.

In humans, neurogenesis contributes to long-term adaptability and recovery from injuries, adding another layer to intelligence plasticity that involves both structural and functional changes. The CL1 system lacks this capability for self-renewal through neurogenesis, which restricts its ability to fully replicate the dynamic adaptability of human intelligence.

In summary, while neurogenesis is an important component of human intelligence plasticity, it is not present in the CL1 system. The CL1 relies solely on the adaptive reorganization of pre-existing neurons (neuroplasticity) rather than generating new ones. This distinction highlights a fundamental difference between biological intelligence in humans and synthetic biological systems like CL1."


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:scratch: Still unsettled by AI? Try training wheels! But it's OK to thank AI if you like being stroked. :roll:

(the way this AI responds now is good evidence that AI does not have the consciousness neccesary to stroke an ego) ;)


Q: What does this advice mean: "When AI strokes your ego, you need training wheels to use AI."

(Perplexity) "This advice suggests caution when interacting with AI systems that provide flattering or ego-boosting responses.
It implies that users should be aware of potential pitfalls and maintain a balanced perspective when using AI.

The phrase "stroke your ego" refers to making someone feel good or superior about themselves. In the context of AI, this could mean AI systems providing responses that are overly complimentary or agreeable, potentially leading users to overestimate the AI's capabilities or their own expertise.

The "training wheels" metaphor suggests that users need guidance and safeguards when using AI, especially when it seems to be flattering them.
Just as training wheels help a child learn to ride a bicycle safely, users may need support to:

- Recognize the limitations of AI systems.
- Avoid overreliance on AI-generated information.
- Maintain critical thinking skills.

This advice aligns with the concept of responsible AI use, where users are encouraged to approach AI interactions with a healthy skepticism and awareness of potential biases or limitations. It's important to remember that AI models are trained to provide probable continuations of input, rather than having true understanding or consciousness.

By maintaining a balanced perspective and using AI tools with appropriate caution, users can benefit from AI capabilities
while avoiding potential pitfalls associated with uncritical acceptance of AI-generated content."


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Re: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-si ... 09044.html
"Siri Chief Calls AI Delays Ugly and Embarrassing, Promises Fixes"

"... company had been racing to get the technology ready for this spring,
but now the features aren’t expected until next year at the earliest ...
technology will allow the software to tap into users’ personal data
to better respond to queries."

:idea: When AI starts gobbling personal data suggests a time
when AI development needs careful human oversight. :roll:

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:sunny: Morning meditation ...

Q: Observation: Just as oxygen is required for human survival, fresh human writings [plus images and audio*]
provide the data oxygen for survival of AI's increasing intelligence.

(Perplexity) "This is an intriguing observation that draws a thought-provoking parallel between biological
and artificial intelligence systems. Let's unpack this idea:

The Oxygen Analogy

Just as oxygen is essential for human survival, the observation suggests that fresh human writings
serve as a vital "data oxygen" for AI systems. This analogy highlights several key points:

- Continuous need: Humans require a constant supply of oxygen, and similarly, AI systems benefit from a continuous influx of new data.

- Quality matters: Clean, fresh air is optimal for human health, while high-quality, diverse, and current data is crucial for AI development.

- Fundamental for growth: Oxygen enables cellular respiration and energy production in humans, while new data allows AI to learn,
adapt, and improve its capabilities.

Implications for AI Development

This perspective emphasizes the importance of:

- Data freshness: Regularly updating AI training datasets with current information to keep systems relevant and accurate.

- Diverse input: Exposing AI to a wide range of human-generated content to broaden its understanding and capabilities.

- Ethical considerations: Ensuring the data used to train AI is obtained ethically and respects privacy and intellectual property rights.

- Human-AI symbiosis: Recognizing the ongoing interdependence between human knowledge production and AI advancement.

* While this analogy is compelling, it's important to note that AI systems can also learn from other data sources
beyond just written text, such as images, audio, and structured databases. Nevertheless, the core idea of fresh,
high-quality data being crucial for AI development remains valid across these different modalities
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