Discussing Celestial Messages

[Geoff]

Wow, thank you Brother.

From my Sufi friend... <3

"There is no difference in the destination,
the only difference is in the journey."
~Hazrat Inayat Khan

How about this one channeled by a good friend:

Keep a Song in Your Heart
November 9th, 2021

Punalu’u, Oahu, Hawaii, U.S.A.

Received by Jimbeau Walsh

I come in the grace of God with a song in my heart and the Divine Love in my soul. I am Hazrat Inayat Khan.

It is written that in the beginning was the word and from that all creation began. In the Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita, which means the Song of God, it is the sound and the song and the vibration that is the creative force. When Master Jesus healed his soul burning with the love of God, those words, their vibration, enabled the recipient to feel the healing force of God’s love and it brought faith and changed the lives of each one. I was a musician and a Sufi, and I brought Sufism to the West with music and poetry and my writings all about how to connect with God, to feel the Presence of God and to be open to it. This is the power of sound, the magnificence of song.

When I came to your circle today, I was impressed that you began with a beautiful song that allowed so many to open up; to receive the gift. This is true of the highest spiritual work of musicians. It a service unique the vibrations of which can heal, can bring joy, can uplift. Because in fact, all spiritual music is a prayer unto the Creator. So, it is appropriate to begin any prayer session with music.

When one speaks the listener can perceive the intention often regardless of what the words are saying. For instance, when a doctor speaks with empathy and love to a patient whatever their condition, it is a healing force, and it is a blessing unto them. I wish you all whether you are musically inclined or not, to be mindful of the vibrations of your voice. For did not Master Jesus say, ’It is not what goes in a man’s mouth that defiles him, but what comes out?’ And he spoke with love and the authority of heaven.

I would encourage each one when you feel lost, when you feel overwhelmed, and when you feel perhaps you cannot meditate or pray to find music. And find a song or a melody that resonates with your heart for each one of you is indeed a song. I shall not continue today but come again and I am so pleased with my brother though somewhat reluctant agreed to allow me to speak today. May you all be blessed in the love of God and keep a song in your heart and in your soul. In the love of God and the Eternal song I am your brother and friend. I am Hazrat Inayat Khan. God bless you!
Copyright @Soultruth.ca

[happyrain]

Thank you Geoff, for indulging me with a divine friend.

Yes he was quite a musician, and decided to renounce his abilities in pursuit of God. But, his talents- they followed him- and his philosophy on life was one that helped others recognize life is Music and yes- we are each a song.

Cheers~

[happyrain]

Geoff, this(quoted below) is the type of liberation I desperately seek- it seems harder as I get older. Why is that? I feel, like, at one point- I had attained this Reality. But something happened. Is it because I've been hardened by the city, and the deceptive narratives people allow to propagate? Because I bought into some of these narratives? Sometimes it feels like our leaders talk Unity while sewing division. And our own people(human beings) look at each other with such distrust. In my 20's I never noticed. Now I'm 35. Is it just me? Am I going crazy here?

These celestial messages, whether here on the MB or inspirations shared from our divine friends(who, no doubt, are influenced by angelic spheres)- they are so important to me as I navigate my ship and seek Love, Liberty and Awareness. Stillness has become more appealing to me but is(still) only momentary in its relief. I must attain Realization.

Commentary by Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan:

There are two aspects of intelligence: intellect, and wisdom. Intellect is the knowledge of names and forms, their character and nature, gathered from the external world. ... Wisdom is contrary to the above-named knowledge. It is the knowledge which is illumined by the light within; it comes with the maturity of the soul, and opens up the sight to the similarity of all things and beings, as well as the unity in names and forms. The wise man penetrates the spirit of all things; he sees the human in the male and female, and the racial origin which unites nations. He sees the human in all people and the divine immanence in all things in the universe, until the vision of the whole being becomes to him the vision of the One Alone, the most beautiful and beloved God.

from https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/I/I_I_2.htm

[Geoff]

Geoff, this(quoted below) is the type of liberation I desperately seek- it seems harder as I get older. Why is that? I feel, like, at one point- I had attained this Reality. But something happened. Is it because I've been hardened by the city, and the deceptive narratives people allow to propagate? Because I bought into some of these narratives? Sometimes it feels like our leaders talk Unity while sewing division. And our own people(human beings) look at each other with such distrust. In my 20's I never noticed. Now I'm 35. Is it just me? Am I going crazy here?

Dear Eric,

We call that soul mind. It requires a very high vibration. But yes I think the signs of the collapse of civilisation is there. Certainly in many parts of the world. Maybe some more than others. If you are interested in the topic of soul mind, I have this page: The Brain Mind, the Spirit Mind and the Soul Mind This page probably would not sit well with a UB literalist because it focusses on the Thought Adjuster and almost ignores the soul. But Josephus claims the TA concept is actually really about the soul. Its an interpretation of the soul by someone not in soul mind. Because mind cannot understand soul. Indeed the famous Jewish philosopher Josephus put it this way:

Well, I would like to say to you that what you are reading and expressing in these various ways is an attempt to explain something that is very difficult to explain, that there is a difficulty in communication of something that is beyond the comprehension of the human mind. The human mind has a great tendency to want to dissect and categorize things in order to make this more understandable. But as you progress in soul development and soul perception and faculties, this oneness state is more understandable. Because the material mind becomes absorbed into the mind of the soul, all becomes one and there is no separation. Even today for many of you when you communicate with yourself, it feels as if you are two people so that brings forth a soulful perception of reality and the mind that also brings its mindful perception of reality. This duality is a great dilemma for many of you.

hugs
Geoff

[Sandy]

Lytske sent this to me and I thought to post it on the board in the hopes it can help build bridges between us.
xxSandy

Date: Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 2:54 PM
Subject: Religion of Jesus rather than about Jesus - Machiventa 7/3/24

7/3/24
Machiventa

* Dear friends, I am Machiventa. Thank you for coming into the presence and making yourselves available. It is heartening to hear your stories of how you found confirmation and sometimes faith when finding this revelation.

I know you have heard us say that the best approach is to live your revelation and that merely reciting words on the page, while having some positive effect intellectually which can lead to spiritual connections, is still largely an intellectual exercise unless activated by the spirit. But we do want you to give credence to your sources and have you understand that without them you would not have the foundation you have today. The Urantia Papers were an intentional sharing of information in a way that allows for the coordination of mind and spirit, for the child of God to connect with information that can be confirming and thus activating of the Spirit of Truth.

So while we encourage you to look to how you might be able to live the revelation, understand that this is not some discouragement from recognizing those sources that contain information of value, of which the Urantia Papers are perhaps the most consistent and well developed sources of information to date for your world, despite even being outdated in some ways with its verbiage. A great challenge we find in this day and age is how to bring about connection with the information in ways that make it more accessible for the people of today. Thus, how you creatively explore sharing the message is something we are supremely interested in.

Does it mean you need to recite it page and verse? No. But we do encourage you to manifest your inspirations and creatively bring forth ideas so they may activate a new generation. Will this occur separate and distinct from the exploration of the Urantia papers? Perhaps. But if your efforts contain the great ideas of the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man and one's personal relationship with God within and your connection to the Universe and the myriad creatures available to you and participating with you and for you and for all, then the Urantia papers will be part of what it is you are sharing in your inspirations, for these are the very concepts, the core concepts that are most needed to be heard on your world today, along with the various other information that can provide those very connections you each talked about that brought you to a place of belief.

So recognize our work with you is not to directly have you repeat the words of these papers over and over again, but to be about, as they say in the papers, "the religion of Jesus rather than the religion about Jesus." This is where your creative ideas and inspirations come into play and are best fed by your continual time in contemplation with your Indwelling Spirit, through the stillness, by asking and inviting and listening as you go through your day. We are simply glad to be part of this with you and hope that you are encouraged to be part of this with us. As you move forward in your own life personally, or collectively, or as you participate in some project or another, know that with these intentions at the source of how you have built your philosophy and reality, you cannot go wrong, because it is part of who you are and it is part of what has been successful to date in this mission of correction and manifestation of the principles of Michael for your world for this time and this place. Thank you.
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[Starwalker]

When it comes to the existence of the Thought Adjuster, I think it is more likely that the human mind is incapable of understanding the TA and can more easily comprehend the soul. And this is probably why some spiritualists do not accept this teaching about the TA. The TA is a fragment of the Father, who exists outside of time and space. The indwelling of the Spirit of God (highest level of reality) in the mind of mortals (lowest level of reality) is said to be the biggest mystery in the universe. So it is no wonder that people have trouble wrapping their heads around this.

The UB teaches that human personality is comprised of a body, mind, soul, and Spirit. It is through our minds that we are able to bridge the gap between our physical bodies and our Spirit (TA) which is not yet our possession. As we bridge this gap through cooperation with our TA, the soul is grown. The morontia soul is of a substance that is part physical and part spiritual. The TA weaves more and more light into our souls until we become full fledged spirits. This is how God self-realizes through us.

I have yet to come across a better explanation for how the soul is developed than what is taught in the UB. I know that we are to be tolerant of other people’s beliefs and look for commonality. But surely a spiritual group should have a common set of beliefs. How are we to foster each other as brothers and sisters if we keep challenging each other’s beliefs without merit.

Typically if you want to be a part of a group, there is a certain amount of self sacrifice required. As long as people keep proselytizing and asserting their own beliefs, there will always be discord here. The celestial messages this site sends out are all UB based. So it is a little off putting to see a staff member belittling the revelation and denying the existence of God’s Indwelling Spirit. I think that we should come to a consensus on what is and is not appropriate discussion on this site. And of course, I say this respectfully.

[happyrain]

Good morning guys! We were hit by Hurricane Beryl and I'm slowly coming back to the age of the internet and mobile data. Lol.

Thank you ALL for your amazing contributions.

Sandy. Your message sums up what's happening here, I find my self revolving around a similar sphere of thought.

Jon, I do not feel offended- and I do not see anyone here mocking another's belief.

Some thoughts...

We may not align with what is taught in the UB, or in a channeled message form another source, or what my dear friend HIK happens to share, or some other spiritual truth brought to us from the unique lens we call a personality but we must not discredit each other in the process. Not if we're speaking form our Heart, which surely contains a kernel of Truth.

Even Paper 1 in the UB tells us evolving creatures have the opportunity to know God, that how we come to know God and even what we call God is subject to change over time. It doesn't say anything about forcing our views on others, and I don't see that here- but if we decide to force well-meaning people what they can or can not talk about... That's a dangerous path.

Perhaps these matters should be discussed in private among fellow administrators.

In every moment is an opportunity to question our selves. Question why we are offended? Question why someone makes us irritable. And the challenge, for me, is learning how to overcome another persons disagreeable nature without forcing my will upon them.

There are plenty of people who come here, who may not be versed with the UB- who experience 1111 and who WISH to share THEIR reality as they've experienced it. We do not want them to feel unwelcomed, and we can not expect them to align with the wisdom we have to offer... BUT there is a way, and it involves finding the CORE principles as taught in the UB... The pillars- Truth, Beauty and Goodness.

A great challenge we find in this day and age is how to bring about connection with the information in ways that make it more accessible for the people of today. Thus, how you creatively explore sharing the message is something we are supremely interested in.

Does it mean you need to recite it page and verse? No. But we do encourage you to manifest your inspirations and creatively bring forth ideas so they may activate a new generation. Will this occur separate and distinct from the exploration of the Urantia papers? Perhaps. But if your efforts contain the great ideas of the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man and one's personal relationship with God within and your connection to the Universe and the myriad creatures available to you and participating with you and for you and for all, then the Urantia papers will be part of what it is you are sharing in your inspirations, for these are the very concepts, the core concepts that are most needed to be heard on your world today, along with the various other information that can provide those very connections you each talked about that brought you to a place of belief.

See... I believe the Source- our Father, WANTS us to ENJOY SHARING in a way that is creative- that is Interactive WITH Spirit.

And Jon, I agree with what you're saying- that there are concepts which are hard for us to grasp, knowing this- it's hard to say who is right and who is wrong. BUT... If you align with the UB then the best thing you can do is become rooted in your Faith and continue to share the knowledge as you are doing! Challenge your self, but don't worry about who agrees or disagrees with you... And the same advice goes to me when I share my self, to Geoff when he shares his Heart and to anyone else who feels like sharing their experience with the Great Mystery here on this forum.

I had more to share- but that's all I got for now. I am grateful for all the creative inspirations shared in this very thread. I am grateful Jon that you would take the time to break down how what we're experiencing is relatable to the UB. That's quite a talent... And a gift.

And ultimately, this dance is between you and God. You and Life, sharing Life. Keep spreading the good vibes, discard what you disagree with while keeping your fellow Brother and Sister in your Heart. Challenge your self and see if there is some sense of relatability between the differences... Ask your self if a seemingly opposite expression is a part of Gods plan?

Anyways... our business was shut down and today we're back open. We had to throw away thousands of dollars worth of food because we lost power. So today, we start from scratch. And... I look at this moment in time as an opportunity to grow closer to God and to share the fruits of the Spirit.

---PS... I am feeling the same as the message Sandy shared... I don't dive so deep in the UB because I am choosing to use my will to experience the truth( and it would seem some of my personal conclusions and ideas are taught in the UB firsthand- imagine that) if I deviate it is a part of my journey... But it is all a choice that I feel God respects and I am extremely grateful for the fellowship we share with the few members here- EVEN among (SEEMING) differing belief systems.

---PPS... If we really begin to practice seeking Truth, Beauty and Goodness we find that the disagreeable nature becomes less and less. We find ways to align what someone who doesn't even fully understand they're saying with our own beliefs- because we begin to experience a Truth behind the shallow distinctions. And... If we hang on to what we believe in, continue to pursue and even share our knowledge with those who may not at the time understand- we find one day our influence had a great impact for them and their personal development with God. Even vice versa... So, please- all, KNOW all is well. Continue onward- = ) LOVE & LIGHT

[Sandy]

hello dear friends,

I value each of you as well your thoughts on any number of topics most importantly your inner progress towards Light and Life. Spirituality covers an enormous field even more so as we begin to shake off the "druff" being born a mortal on this planet produces. So because of this fact, I enjoy reading about other's experiences...
But with that, I can still feel a tiny pang when my spiritual toes get stepped on. So I feel for others who might experience such disturbance in the peace of our chosen pathes a bit disconcerting. We strive to maintain tranquility while the world seems to take aim at us. Our spiritual beliefs offer that peace, comfort, encouragement, and guidance. So regardless of who is speaking and sharing it is vital that thought is given as to how it will be received. I do understand that this site is UB-based, but as in the past, we have allowed others to speak their truth. "Their truth" are the important words. "Their truth" may not be "my truth" or "your truth" but it is their own. And I will butt heads with anybody who says that the Creator in all Her attributes is limited to one group's version of truth.

Peace and love and most importantly all of you are extremely important to me. I don't want to loose any of you as you are my siblings.
So my thoughts.... how about we all continue to share, but with respect as to how our words will be construed by others on the board? Let's be respectful of others' beliefs even if you believe they are off according to sources you trust, or your feelings of rightness and wrongness. Other people's experiences can be like gold, as in many cases there will be nuggets that can uplift you as well. If the Creator of all can work through the Shamans of tiny tribes in the middle of the jungle who have no other resources, He can certainly work through any of us and those things we pursue in the name of spirit. I say this as I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that God led me to the Urantia book...I also know She did not stop there and led me to investigate ancient Hindu beliefs where I found bridges of understanding...then on to a number of various other groups of spirit knowing where I found something that helped add to what I was becoming...the little human being the Creator was contemplating.
At any time I could have turned around, not taken the side branch...but honestly I am pleased that I didn't.

Today I prayed for guidance and soon after there appeared in my inbox a new message to be formatted for the English list. It was from Oscar and his TA that seemed to be speaking to me and to all of us. I will post it here even though it has not gone out on the list. I hope all of us can find comfort in the fact that we are all doing the best we can and following God's plan for us as individuals.

xxSandy

Alabama, US of A, April 23, 2014.
Teacher: Thought Adjuster.
Subject: “A Religion of Freedom”
 
Message received by Oscar. 

Thought Adjuster: “It's time for a new religion to emerge in this world. This new religion will replace the older religions while at the same time exalting the truths that these past religions have preserved among their doctrines. Everything that is true and good from these religions will survive, and everything that is contrary to the will of the Father will be set aside in this new religion.

All those ideas of separation among people will be forgotten. When humans wholeheartedly understand the fact of God's fatherhood, they will only be able to accept their fellows as their brothers. Cultural, racial, or social differences will not matter. Truly, humans will become like children in the way they associate and in the implicit trust they will offer to all those they meet on their path.

The new religion will be a religion of freedom. It is not the freedom that inferior humans might interpret as a license to do evil or to try to exalt their own ego above others. The freedom that the new religion offers is the power that will be placed in the hands of each person to become the master of their own destiny and thus create, with the help of the Father, the highest and most beautiful expression of their individual personality. In other words, each one will be responsible for their own salvation, and each one will be able to achieve the glory of creating a being of light and life – their own self – for universal eternal service.

The new religion is a personal and individual religion. The children of this religion will share their experiences, and with the help of all, they will understand the Father in heaven better than before and together discover their purpose in the mosaic of the universe. But each one will approach the Father on their own terms, in a unique and original way. Each human being possesses a unique personality given by the Father, and this personality in the process of perfection is the intention that the Father has wanted to manifest through that individual life, an expression that can only be fully manifested in eternity. This great unique treasure has been given to each mortal being for their maintenance and edification, and this is an effort that each one of us must undertake alone, a joint enterprise between God and each of his creatures.

This new religion will not arise in temples or places of worship but in the hearts and minds of human beings. Today you can already begin to enjoy this new way of approaching your reality, and through faith and hope, embark on the search for the truth, beauty, and goodness that are hidden deep within your being, where God himself has decided to place a fragment of Himself as a promise of eternal life and a safeguard of wisdom and unconditional love.”

© The 11:11 Progress Group.  
Faith is just curiosity tinged with hope — Thought Adjuster.  
www.1111AkashicConstruct.com  

[Amigoo]

A different celestial messages topic for a break from whose faith is best ...

Re: https://board.1111angels.com/viewtopic. ... 82#p201182

those souls who for some reason get stuck here

How is it possible for souls to get stuck here if mortal man's "slumbering soul" is transported by his guardian angel
to the first mansion world to await repersonalization by his once indwelling adjuster? In other words, immediately after death,
both soul and personality separately depart as slumbering entities transported by their guardian angel and adjuster.
With this pre-arranged transportation, there is no means of "getting stuck"!

"Upon your death, your records, identity specifications, and the morontia entity of the human soul - conjointly evolved
by the ministry of mortal mind and the divine Adjuster - are faithfully conserved by the destiny guardian together with
all other values related to your future existence, everything that constitutes you, the real you, except the identity
of continuing existence represented by the departing Adjuster and the actuality of personality." (UB, 113:6.1)

"such a guardian of destiny proceeds to the first mansion world and there awaits
the consciousizing of her former ward in the flesh." (113:6.2)

"The guardian seraphim is the custodial trustee of the survival values of mortal man’s slumbering soul as the absent Adjuster
is the identity of such an immortal universe being. When these two collaborate in the resurrection halls of mansonia
in conjunction with the newly fabricated morontia form, there occurs the reassembly of the constituent factors
of the personality of the mortal ascender." (113:6.5)


These paragraphs suggest that a soul has but two choices: clearly reject survival before mortal death
or await repersonalization on the first mansion world, whereupon a survival decision can be made later.
From this perspective, the only meaningful "stuck" is the slumbering transit. However, just clarifying
what happens to that stuck soul's attending angel might explain how that soul can become "stuck".

Rod

[Geoff]

As long as people keep proselytizing and asserting their own beliefs, there will always be discord here. The celestial messages this site sends out are all UB based. So it is a little off putting to see a staff member belittling the revelation and denying the existence of God’s Indwelling Spirit. I think that we should come to a consensus on what is and is not appropriate discussion on this site. And of course, I say this respectfully.

I am truly sorry that this seems to be this view here. What many of you perhaps do not understand is how upset I was to discover that my faith in TUB was misplaced. I will say no more. Its your choice to ignore my 20 years research into TUB. I am sad I can't have this discussion with George himself, but these events occurred after his passing, as I looked to get confirmation of why I was not being taught about a TA as I was being taught to hear the voice of my soul. I am only saying the TA is one attempt to describe truth. It no longer is my version.

None of us from a human level will ever get these complex subjects entirely right. What matters far more is what was included higher up - that we walk the walk. So if you don't mind, I will walk, and close the door quietly. By the way, this site was never in George's time as oriented as it is now. George's mandate was to keep things simple. To attract newcomers with stories and simple stuff. It has of recent time become a full on TUB discussion forum with a very small number of participants. We used to have hundreds of people just wanting to know about 11:11. And they came with lots of different perspectives.

hugs to all
Geoff

[Starwalker]

Hi Eric,

Thanks for your thoughts. I hope your business recovers well from its losses.

I am not offended, but there are sensitive souls here. Let me put it to you this way.. how do you think Casey Claar would feel if someone came on her forum stating that her crystal work is fake? People are free to believe and say as they please. But surely she would at least feel the rudeness of such sentiments being expressed in that setting. I'm more concerned for others than myself. There are people publishing communications from their TAs on this site. Perhaps this isn't the best place to be challenging the UB.

But I'm just asking the question of what is considered appropriate here. I guess everyone sees this site a little differently. Perhaps the intent of the site is to be a bit of a hodge podge. Surely there is something beautiful about a mosaic of spiritual beliefs. But finding the balance of expressing these beliefs without discrediting the beliefs of others is a tricky dance. I guess you can't learn to dance without stepping on a few toes.

And Geoff, I'm sorry if I'm stepping on your toes here. I know you are walking your walk, and I respect that.

Take care,
Jon

[happyrain]

A long time ago someone posted a group hug smiley but I don't even see that as an option. These replies are great!!

AND, to answer your question. I believe Casey would smile and handle things in a way that would surprise most people. She really has a knack for understanding duality and even helping those who would challenge her own beliefs. It's an amazing talent that I hope to express as well. Really I don't think I've seen her feathers ruffled by a naysayer before which is why most people would be surprised to witness her action/response. It's one that has moved past reaction. I know it has come from lifetimes of seeking the inherent Oneness in all things.

Cheers!!

[Geoff]

In January 24th, 2004 I wrote this:

All visitors can read all the public posts, but to post here, you must first register as a member. These are our requirements:

Our Purpose. Our purpose is to discuss 11:11 signals, and the midwayers who create these, and all related spiritual matters. While we may talk about many spiritual subjects, our primary purpose is to teach folk that they have angels around them, and how to help them communicate with those beings.

We might be lenient for a time with a topic that is borderline, but essentially, we will see this as our purpose.

If you come here to post your stuff, you may in time be asked to stop. This includes those who are only interested in grandstanding.

If you come here to share your experiences, or as a genuine seeker after truth, I doubt there will be a problem.

We do not require all who post here to agree with us, but frankly, once we have established that point of difference, if you continue in an argumentative manner, it will not be allowed. You may have your difference, but this will not be the place to promote it. The point we are making here, is that differences can be discussed, and shared, but only for the purpose of such sharing, and potentially learning. There comes a point when that sharing is finished, and then the subject should be closed. Beyond this point your posts will be construed as proselytising.

1) All beliefs are to be recognised respectfully. After all, they are dear to the person who holds them. If you truly value your brothers and sisters, then you must respect their beliefs.

2) All discussions are to be done with respect shown to all parties. Even generalisations should be carefully worded to avoid antagonising folk, in general. Be very careful to avoid antagonistic personal comments by picking on the individual, rather than the concepts they are communicating.

3) No proselytising. That means, don't come here with the express purpose of seeking to convert other folks to your belief, and most of all, don't post here inflammatory posts. In other words, turning up and telling us all what you think is going to happen to us because of what we believe.

4) No spamming. That is turning up here with the explicit purpose of trying to harvest some of the traffic for your own purpose. Links to other sites are certainly acceptable, but must be in context. Putting your email address on a post and asking folks to contact you is spamming. So is linking to your board and suggesting folks go there. Or to another board or blog that is predominantly about 11:11. We are very sensitive that we have created a safe forum here, and any attempt to interfere with our cocoon of safety will be dealt with.

5) Most of all, be tolerant of others.

6) Use a valid email address. If you do not, you will not be able to activate your membership. We do not mail to the addresses on this message board. We have a related mailing list, but folks that want to be on that have to ask to be added. No member of the public or even a software spider will be able to read your email address on this board. They are simply not displayed anywhere public.

7) This is not a political board, so please refrain from politically oriented posts. The Covid-19 virus has become politicized and is considered nearly as much a political issue now as a health issue. There is much controversy within this subject and there is no definitive proof on the internet as to what is right and what is wrong. Therefore, the Covid-19 virus and related subjects are not allowed to be discussed on this message board because of the inflammatory nature.

8 ) This is quite specifically a safe environment for you to share things that you may not be able to share with anyone else. Nobody will laugh at what you have experienced, and you can thus discuss things with other caring folks that you will have had to keep bottled up before. We do not hesitate to get rid of people who are intolerant and insensitive.

9 ) We have had to put controls on Private Messages too, as spammers have used this in the past. You must have made one post, and had that post approved, before you can use private messages. And even then, you cannot send private messages to multiple recipients.

I am actually not a staff member. I am the sole remaining founder. I have been coming here to assist Sandy, but it seems my time here is done.

Geoff

[happyrain]

No way Geoff, your time is not done. Don't go actin' a fool on me. You're more valuable than you realize!

[happyrain]

Oh yeah! A *thought* occurred to me in the shower this morning when thinking on this thread.
Maybe the TA chiming in?
"One of the greatest gifts God has given me is the ability to be wrong."

[happyrain]

I think the word was freedom not ability... could not edit in time. Learning to recognize when that higher power is chiming takes a little training.

Hope everyone is feeling good and ready to sieze the day.

[Sandy]

I think it would be an enormous loss if one of the Founders, the other being George, did not feel comfortable posting on a website he created.
It would be a tremendous loss!

I am truly sorry that this seems to be this view here. What many of you perhaps do not understand is how upset I was to discover that my faith in TUB was misplaced. I will say no more. Its your choice to ignore my 20 years research into TUB. I am sad I can't have this discussion with George himself, but these events occurred after his passing, as I looked to get confirmation of why I was not being taught about a TA as I was being taught to hear the voice of my soul. I am only saying the TA is one attempt to describe truth. It no longer is my version.

None of us from a human level will ever get these complex subjects entirely right. What matters far more is what was included higher up - that we walk the walk. So if you don't mind, I will walk, and close the door quietly. By the way, this site was never in George's time as oriented as it is now. George's mandate was to keep things simple. To attract newcomers with stories and simple stuff. It has of recent time become a full on TUB discussion forum with a very small number of participants. We used to have hundreds of people just wanting to know about 11:11. And they came with lots of different perspectives.

I like our board to be open to all people to share their experiences and thoughts. One of the lessons of being human is to learn to work together and share opposing viewpoints but with love on both sides as we begin the process of "figuring things out.". I am really simplifying what I know is a very complex thing. But it is true, this board began just as Geoff described above. I had forgotten. It wasn't about the Ubook but to introduce people very simply to the beings behind the 1111 time prompts and hopefully make them curious enough to consider finding a path to God. The Midwayers as friends and confidants don't necessarily say, "You must read the Ubook", they will encourage the best path for the individual to find God.

Please, let's all accept and love each other. All of you mean a great deal to me...I don't want to lose anybody here.
Geoff is all over this site. He has put as much time and energy into this place over the years as anybody, excluding George. He has a right to be here and to share what he has experienced as there may be people out there reading who will find what they are looking for via his words. The same with all of you! None of us think alike, talk alike, pray alike. But we are all children of the same God and all of us want to help make this world a better place.

Please let's all start over again...move forward accepting each other as we are, appreciating the difference as does the Creator we wish to emulate.
It is the difference of "walking the walk" or just "talking the talk".
love,
Sandy

[Starwalker]

Hi all,

I am really sorry I brought this up. If anyone is walking away here, it’s going to be me. I’m not sure I’m up for this anyway. It was nice walking another few miles with you all. I’m sure we will meet up again someday.

See you later,
Jon

[happyrain]

Well as long as the forum is here you guys know where to find me- might I suggest all take a chill pill? Haha. Things really aren't so heavy- and if they are- it certainly isn't because of ideas exchanged on a forum! There's an entire reality happening away from these screens and our little "thought bubbles" ... so I am sorry if anyone "out there" is going through the ringer right now. Please remember these times are especially trying and are here as an opportunity to bring us closer to God.

It's perfectly appropriate to walk away from a forum from time to time, even more so to disconnect from the internet and be in nature. To ground ones self, or remember the things in life that make one happy- What is it we seek? We are co-creators(Gods GIFT to ALL. God says you have a say) and God is "closer to you than your jugular." Sometimes, a little time to ourselves helps us remember all that.

Here's to the journey! Cheers

[Amigoo]

For the record ...

Years ago, George's messages convinced me that this site was well aligned
with the UB, especially with frequent reference to midwayers and angels
(as still communicating with the "1111angels" site name).

I believed the UB to be epochal revelation when reading it 50 years ago
and that has never waivered. I agree that this site was not created
for UB focus - those discussions are better in other venues.

Rod

[Starwalker]

Well, I was going to leave, but have had a sudden change of heart. Geoff, in saying you are the last remaining founding member, I think you are forgetting something. Isn’t this site a human-celestial collaboration? Are not the Midwayers that communicated with George to be counted as founding members as well? Isn’t the whole premise of this site that the 11:11 time prompt phenomenon is the call sign of the 1,111 loyal Midwayers?

These Midwayers and other celestials are working to turn this world around by promoting Urantia Book teachings. It was my impression that this is the mission of this Progress Group. My thoughts and posts of late were inspired with the intent to safeguard the integrity of the site. They were not intended to offend. Perhaps they were a little frank but some of the celestial messages on this site are very frank as well. I think my feelings may have been influenced by a Midwayer.

Ultimately, the United Midwayers of Urantia always win. And you are either with them or against them.

Kind regards,
Jonathan

[Sandy]

Hello everyone,

Jon, I am thrilled that you have decided to stay on the board! And I hope that Geoff will do the same.

You wrote in your last post...

These Midwayers and other celestials are working to turn this world around by promoting Urantia Book teachings. It was my impression that this is the mission of this Progress Group

...to further the discussion...

Well, I went to the 1111 Progress group website to see what they had to say in way of an introduction on their home page...
Everyone can read it here...https://www.1111angels.net/

I saw no mention of the Urantia book but with that said the basics we try to exhibit in our lives are the same as the spirit of the
Urantia papers... Geez that made absolutely no sense. I blame it on the drone of the cicadas LOL (I'm sitting outside)

Okay, let me try another way of expressing my thoughts. The Midwayers have been uplifting humans for over 35 thousand years. The Urantia book was published in the 1950s. It is a thing, written words of something greater and grander that comes from beings within without, beyond, and all around us. It is the unimaginable potential behind the written words in the Ubook that we desire to promote. We introduce people to the Midwayers when possible as they are a huge help in all projects that can enlighten the planet. Actually, we haven't done much of that lately as there haven't been many new people asking questions ... But yes, the Urantia book can be a big help but, frankly, it does not resonate with all people... nothing will because people are crazy different on this planet at this time. So it isn't prudent to limit our discoveries exclusively through the Uranti book lens.

I remember Fred Harris, a friend of George's and the author of "Correcting Time: Where the Urantia Book Hits the Road" and "The Center Within: Lessons from the Heart of the Urantia Revelation" relating when he first discovered the Urantia book he was blown away and so sure that everyone would be as well that he bought hundreds of copies and distributed them to everyone he knew. To his surprise, most people did not value it like he did. He eventually found service as a way of contributing towards the Correcting Time and putting the revelation's teaching into practice as a way of contributing in those early days, offering Ubook teachings when prompted to do so. That was sort of what we did in the early days and years of this board too. When we felt the Ubook could help someone in their spiritual search we suggested it or quoted something from it when appropriate. Not that we didn't talk about the Urantia book and other things... we met people where they were though, mostly respectfully.

Just as a fact, the Urantia book forum hasn't always been on the MB. I think I asked Geoff to add it around 10 years ago. (Not sure about the timing though) I think Rod and I were doing a flash reading of the Ubook for a time and it helped to accomodate some of the things on that subject.
Maybe Rod remebers more?

We are still in early days of Correcting Time and the world is a mess. What do all of you think we need? What will unite the world or at the very least stem the growing tide of unhappiness, fear, anger, etc..? and do we really need a particular label to do this?

I wish to accomodate everyone here so some kind of balance will be needed. suggestions?

xxSandy

[Amigoo]

Speaking of the UB and related angel messages ...

If this earth life is beginning training for later service in the universe, we need to be exposed
to differing perceptions of mind and creature life experiences. In this local universe, humans
and other intelligent life advance to the mansion worlds where we'll be challenged to find kinship.

Rod

[Sandy]

Thanks, Rod, that's a good point. I guess that was one thing I considered when Eric introduced us to the work of Casey Clarr (sp.?) who was speaking to beings like us but not like us on other planets. I actually started searching for a suitable crystal myself...but got side tracked. Sometimes it all sounds wonderful but I don't give anything its justice if I am all over the shop...
xxSandy

[happyrain]

WOWZA

Was todays celestial message on point with everything taking place in this thread? I think so.

Holy moly.

The new religion is a personal and individual religion. The children of this religion will share their experiences, and with the help of all, they will understand the Father in heaven better than before and together discover their purpose in the mosaic of the universe. But each one will approach the Father on their own terms, in a unique and original way. Each human being possesses a unique personality given by the Father, and this personality in the process of perfection is the intention that the Father has wanted to manifest through that individual life, an expression that can only be fully manifested in eternity. This great unique treasure has been given to each mortal being for their maintenance and edification, and this is an effort that each one of us must undertake alone, a joint enterprise between God and each of his creatures.

This new religion will not arise in temples or places of worship but in the hearts and minds of human beings. Today you can already begin to enjoy this new way of approaching your reality, and through faith and hope, embark on the search for the truth, beauty, and goodness that are hidden deep within your being, where God himself has decided to place a fragment of Himself as a promise of eternal life and a safeguard of wisdom and unconditional love.”

I am especially excited by this:

All those ideas of separation among people will be forgotten. When humans wholeheartedly understand the fact of God's fatherhood, they will only be able to accept their fellows as their brothers. Cultural, racial, or social differences will not matter. Truly, humans will become like children in the way they associate and in the implicit trust they will offer to all those they meet on their path.

I long for this reality- I know it's my job to help bring it about. Sometimes, living in a city, it can be disheartening to see drugs and mental illness running through people. Really disheartening.

The other day I read that linemen were being attacked. People coming to restore power to our city after being devastated by Hurricane Beryl. Some gossip spread like wildfire and people were being so nasty blaming each other. And blaming each other has become so normal in society. It really breaks my heart. A man was arrested on the street I work at because he flashed his gun to the linemen there trying to restore power.

Two linemen were hospitalized after being offered water unknowingly laced with fentanyl. And then there are our politicians, and identity politics. SO much profit is made by keeping divisions alive. So much distrust and agony is brought about as a consequence. You take that with drugs, a poor upbringing, poverty, something traumatic in ones youth... Gosh...

I guess I really can't wait. I am ready for our people to become One people, united by a higher purpose. I want people to care for each other, for nature.

We are at times, so incredibly selfish, and the moment our luxuries and routines are challenged- we can be abhorrent.

We have to do everything we can to keep the magic alive, and keep our brothers and sisters Hopeful. Even if we do not always agree on the details... We have to keep the Hearts Godward.

In our selves. And hopefully, in each other.

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