Revealed Science in the Urantia Book

A forum for the study and discussion of the Urantia Book
Amigoo
Family
Posts: 12677
Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:32 pm
Please type in these numbers: 46373: 0
Please type in these numbers:91294: 0
Location: Dallas, TX

Re: Revealed Science in the Urantia Book

Post by Amigoo »

:sunflower: Regarding the two science unknowns ...

1. mesotron that binds protons and neutrons
(considered as "carrier stream" and not resident in nucleus)
2. "unknown energy" that binds protons and binds neutrons

See also: https://www-yukawa.phys.sci.osaka-u.ac. ... rchive/640
"Introduction to the Mesotron" (Yukawa's 1939 lecture manuscript)

See also: http://www.theub.org/part-ii.html#P042_8
Paper 42 - Energy — Mind and Matter, 8. Atomic Cohesion


:study: Re: https://world-nuclear.org/information-l ... power.aspx
"Nuclear Fusion Power" (Dec, 2022)

"Normally, fusion is not possible because the strongly repulsive electrostatic forces between the positively charged nuclei prevent them from getting close enough together to collide and for fusion to occur. However, if the conditions are such that the nuclei can overcome the electrostatic forces to the extent that they can come within a very close range of each other, then the attractive nuclear force (which binds protons and neutrons together in atomic nuclei) between the nuclei will outweigh the repulsive (electrostatic) force, allowing the nuclei to fuse together. Such conditions can occur when the temperature increases, causing the ions to move faster and eventually reach speeds high enough to bring the ions close enough together. The nuclei can then fuse, causing a release of energy."

:idea: Apparently, this article's "attractive nuclear force which binds ..." is not 42:8.1's "secret of (atoms') basic constitution and ultimate behavior"; this attractive nuclear force is the mesotron. However, "fusion" refers to the forced binding of two atoms, suggesting that fusion involves a different force (massive gravitational force during HIGH temperature?). And the new energy is simply that released when nuclei fuse - neither the "unknown energy" (UB) or the "attractive nuclear force" (this article).

Section 8 of this Paper seems to explain the article's "attractive nuclear force", a force not yet well understood by science: "The integrity of the nucleus is maintained by the reciprocal cohering function of the mesotron, which is able to hold charged and uncharged particles together because of superior force-mass power and by the further function of causing protons and neutrons constantly to change places." (42:8.4)

In other words, the energy released during fusion is now known by science, a force necessary to cause fusion (massive gravitational force during HIGH heat) is also known, but the force/energy that binds protons and neutrons (mesotron) is still not completely understood. And the UB further reveals that the "undiscovered energy" is not this mesotron:

"The mesotron explains certain cohesive properties of the atomic nucleus, but it does not account for the cohesion of proton to proton nor for the adhesion of neutron to neutron. The paradoxical and powerful force of atomic cohesive integrity is a form of energy as yet undiscovered on Urantia." (42:8.6)


:study: Re: https://www.newscientist.com/definition ... ear-force/

"The strong force holds together quarks, the fundamental particles that make up the protons and neutrons of the atomic nucleus,
and further holds together protons and neutrons to form atomic nuclei. As such it is responsible for the underlying stability of matter."

:idea: Apparently, the mesotron is this "strong force" 8)
... but not the "undiscovered energy".

Re: https://www.sciencefacts.net/strong-nuclear-force.html
"The first theory of the strong nuclear force was discovered in 1935 by Japanese physicist Hideki Yukawa."

:idea: Perhaps, the UB's discussion of the mesotron was permitted because this force had been discovered,
but not the existence of the mesotron and its influence ... which is science revelation :!:


:study: Physicists knew about the mesotron long ago:

Re: https://www.nature.com/articles/142878c0 (1938)
"Mesotron (Intermediate Particle) as a Name for the New Particles of Intermediate Mass"

"The existence of particles intermediate in mass between protons and electrons has been shown in experiments on the cosmic radiation."

Re: https://www.jstor.org/stable/24988911m (Oct, 1940)
"The Evanescent Mesotron"

:idea: Japanese physicist, Yukawa, theorized the influence of the mesotron on protons and neutrons. However, he theorized a continuous stream of charged particles causing the protons and neutrons to change places - not mesotrons with their "superior force-mass power" (42:8.4). However, by what sub-atomic magic can atoms deep within anything (living or not) be guaranteed a continuous stream of particles to maintain those atoms' stability? Best guess then: They had to come from outside the atom because the UB's mesotron had not yet been revealed. ;)


:study: Getting a bit deep into the atom ...

Re: https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny- ... revisited/

"Specifically for the strong nuclear force, Yukawa proposed that a previously unknown particle, now called a pion, is exchanged between nucleons, transmitting the force between them. Figure 1 illustrates how a pion would carry a force between a proton and a neutron. The pion has mass and can only be created by violating the conservation of mass-energy. This is allowed by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle if it occurs for a sufficiently short period of time."

:idea: That Yukawa's mesotron (now pion) was not considered a permanent particle in the atomic nucleus might now cause more uncertainty in the "Heisenberg uncertainty principle" if the mesotron were no longer believed to be transient! And "infinitesimal" of this quote suggests that Yukawa's "carrier stream" of particles would cause a certain radioactive glow to every atom everywhere! :roll:

"The mesotron causes the electric charge of the nuclear particles to be incessantly tossed back and forth between protons and neutrons. At one infinitesimal part of a second a given nuclear particle is a charged proton and the next an uncharged neutron." (42:8.4)


:study: About pions (once known as "mesotrons") ...
Re: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pion

"Pions do not exist for a long time. (On average, charged pions exist for around 26 nanoseconds; neutral pions last a tiny fraction of this). Pions are significant to our lives because they are one of the ways for strong force interactions to take place between nucleons like the protons and neutrons of ordinary matter. These interactions hold the nucleus together."

:hithere If a mesotron (pion) exists in the atom (not delivered in a "carrier stream"), proven science of sub-atomic particles hints that known pions are released during research using particle accelerators. Also, it doesn't seem universe-intuitive that EVERY atom's stability would be dependent on an external carrier stream of particles. And 42:8.4's mesotron coherence function, as a permanent particle, seems much more instantly precise than if these particles are streamed to the atom. ;)


:study: About cosmic rays (aka "space rays") ...

These mesotrons are found abundantly in the space rays which so incessantly impinge upon your planet." (42:8.7)
suggests why mesotrons (pions) might be considered a carrier stream even if such particle was resident in the atom.

Re: https://news.uchicago.edu/explainer/wha ... osmic-rays

"Cosmic rays are actually particles from space that travel across the universe. They started out as atoms that had their outer layers stripped away and are now just nuclei. They move extremely fast - nearly the speed of light. Trillions upon trillions of cosmic rays hit the Earth every day. The vast majority of them are blocked by Earth’s atmosphere and magnetic field, but sometimes they will strike particles in the atmosphere and create a shower of secondary particles that make it to the ground. Most of the cosmic rays we get here on Earth come from the sun, but we’ve also picked up particles that we think are coming from other galaxies."

:idea: That the majority of cosmic rays are blocked suggests that a mesotron "carrier stream" is not a reliable way
to maintain an atom's stability", requiring a mesotron to be resident in its nucleus. However, a supply of mesotrons
seems universe intent for replenishment (or formation of new atoms) ... and hinting of a better atomic model:
electrons surrounding core of protons, neutrons, pions. 8)


:study: More about the pion ...

Re: https://www.energy.gov/science/np/artic ... l-symmetry (May, 2021)

"Pions are subatomic particles that carry the strong force that binds protons and neutrons together in nuclei. This force accounts for 98 percent of the mass of the visible universe. Pions are also the simplest of the subatomic particles, built of the same ingredients as protons and neutrons - quarks."

Re: https://homework.study.com/explanation/ ... -pion.html

"Pions are important in the strong interaction, also known as the strong nuclear force, which holds protons and neutrons together within atomic nuclei. They participate in the force exchange between nucleons (protons and neutrons) and help keep atomic nuclei stable by conveying the force that binds the nucleus together."

:idea: This force that is "conveyed" is described in the UB as the function of the mesotron (pion),
suggesting a new atomic model: electrons surrounding core of protons, neutrons, pions: 8)

"The integrity of the nucleus is maintained by the reciprocal cohering function of the mesotron, which is able to hold charged and uncharged particles together because of superior force-mass power and by the further function of causing protons and neutrons constantly to change places. The mesotron causes the electric charge of the nuclear particles to be incessantly tossed back and forth between protons and neutrons. (42:8.4)


:study: More about Hideki Yukawa's mesotron (why the UB used this term) ...

Re: https://www.britannica.com/science/suba ... antiquarks

"The pi-meson, or pion, which is the lightest meson and an important component of cosmic rays*,
exists in three forms: with charge e (or 1), with charge 0, and with charge −e (or −1)."

:scratch: Do these pion charges (1, 0, -1) not suggest a pinball effect
that occurs in the pion's interactions with protons and neutrons
with all three particles bouncing to another charge? ;)

* "These mesotrons are found abundantly in the space rays which so incessantly impinge upon your planet." (42:8.7)

Re: https://www.britannica.com/science/strong-force

"The strong force, a fundamental interaction of nature that acts between subatomic particles of matter. The strong force binds quarks together in clusters to make more-familiar subatomic particles, such as protons and neutrons. It also holds together the atomic nucleus and underlies interactions between all particles containing quarks."

Re: https://www.britannica.com/science/suba ... rong-force

"Yukawa’s work was little known outside Japan until 1937, when Carl Anderson and his colleague Seth Neddermeyer announced that, five years after Anderson’s discovery of the positron, they had found a second new particle in cosmic radiation. The new particle seemed to have exactly the mass Yukawa had prescribed and thus was seen as confirmation of Yukawa’s theory"

"Kemmer’s work followed to some extent the trail Heisenberg had begun in 1932. Close similarities between nuclei containing the same total number of protons and neutrons, but in different combinations, suggest that protons can be exchanged for neutrons and vice versa without altering the net effect of the nuclear binding force."

:idea: Good discussion of Yukawa's theory but does not reveal UB's mesotron
with its "function of causing protons and neutrons constantly to change places".

See also: https://urantiabooksources.com/wp-conte ... 11/042.pdf
"Paper 42 — Energy - Mind and Matter" (Matthew Block's Parallel Chart)

:idea: Similar discussion about Yukawa's mesotron but UB sources focus on
"photons acting as energy conveyors between two electric charges",
not revealing that the mesotron itself (not as a stream of particles)
causes this exchange (42:8.4).

:? Who can tell? The quarkiness of protons and neutrons
now hints that they exchange faces - not places - as suggested here:
Re: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... adron.html
"Pions interact with nuclei and transform a neutron to a proton or vice versa"

After all, changing places hints of unnecessary nuclear turbulence
just to maintain stability of the atom. ;)


Rod :)
Amigoo
Family
Posts: 12677
Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:32 pm
Please type in these numbers: 46373: 0
Please type in these numbers:91294: 0
Location: Dallas, TX

Re: Revealed Science in the Urantia Book

Post by Amigoo »

Re: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/17/world/la ... index.html
"shallow lake in Canada could point to the origin of life on Earth"

"In each of these natural pools brews a precise blend of chemicals and physical conditions
that could serve as the source of life on our planet." 8)


:idea: While certain chemicals/conditions need be present to nurture life,
life in the universe does not spontaneously appear, according to the UB:

"These inland seas of olden times were truly the cradle of evolution." (57:8.26)

"Urantia life is unique, original with the planet. This sphere is a life-modification world; all life appearing hereon was formulated by us right here on the planet; and there is no other world in all Satania, even in all Nebadon, that has a life existence just like that of Urantia." (58:4.1)

"550,000,000 years ago the Life Carrier corps returned to Urantia. In co-operation with spiritual powers and superphysical forces we organized and initiated the original life patterns of this world and planted them in the hospitable waters of the realm. All planetary life ... had its origin in our three original, identical, and simultaneous marine-life implantations." (58:4.2)

See also: Paper 58 - Life Establishment on Urantia
http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P058_0

:hithere Note: 58:4.1 seems a clue of what not to expect
in our search for life in the universe. :roll:


Rod :)
Starwalker
Family
Posts: 232
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:24 am
Please type in these numbers: 46373: 46373
Please type in these numbers:91294: 91294

Re: Revealed Science in the Urantia Book - Dark Energy and Space Respiration

Post by Starwalker »

Our sciences are still in the dark concerning many space phenomena. One example of this is the aptly named ‘dark energy’ theory. Dark energy is supposedly the driving force behind universe expansion. The purpose of this post is to shed some light on this dark concept and how it relates to the universe phenomena of space respiration, which is revealed in the Urantia Book.

Albert Einstein first proposed that the universe was static. He later gave up on this theory after Edwin Hubble discovered that the distance between galaxies was increasing. More recently it was discovered that this expansion of the universe is accelerating. This was determined by measuring the redshift of light from supernovas using spectrographs. Redshift is the increase in the wavelength of light that is caused by the expansion of space. This information, combined with the distance of the supernova from earth, allows scientists to create of time map of universe expansion. The redshift of light from a supernova of a former star that was one billion light years away allows us to calculate the rate of expansion one billion years ago. Calculating this for supernovas at different distances away allows us to create a time map of space expansion. And dark energy is theorized to be the mysterious force that causes this universe expansion. However, now that I’ve explained all this, I must point out that the UB tells us that the numbers we are calculating are not real. The universe is expanding but not at the rates we are calculating.
Although your spectroscopic estimations of astronomic velocities are fairly reliable when applied to the starry realms belonging to your superuniverse and its associate superuniverses, such reckonings with reference to the realms of outer space are wholly unreliable. Spectral lines are displaced from the normal towards the violet by an approaching star; likewise these lines are displaced towards the red by a receding star. Many influences interpose to make it appear that the recessional velocity of the external universes increases at the rate of more than one hundred miles a second for every million light-years increase in distance. By this method of reckoning, subsequent to the perfection of more powerful telescopes, it will appear that these far-distant systems are in flight from this part of the universe at the unbelievable rate of more than thirty thousand miles a second. But this apparent speed of recession is not real; it results from numerous factors of error embracing angles of observation and other time-space distortions. (12:4.14)
The UB paints a different picture of space phenomenon. Time and space are bestowals of Paradise. There are two types of space: pervaded space and unpervaded space. Pervaded space is the space in which the universes exist, which is filled with energy, matter, forces, powers, and presences; and unpervaded space is completely devoid of all these. Pervaded space extends horizontally from Paradise in all directions and thickens as it moves away from Paradise. Unpervaded space exists as reservoirs above and below Paradise. Space does not touch Paradise since there are midspace zones that encapsulates both types of space and separate them from Paradise.
The vertical cross section of total space would slightly resemble a maltese cross, with the horizontal arms representing pervaded (universe) space and the vertical arms representing unpervaded (reservoir) space. The areas between the four arms would separate them somewhat as the midspace zones separate pervaded and unpervaded space. These quiescent midspace zones grow larger and larger at greater and greater distances from Paradise and eventually encompass the borders of all space and completely incapsulate both the space reservoirs and the entire horizontal extension of pervaded space. (11:7.3)
Both pervaded and unpervaded space undergo what is referred to as space respiration. When one type of space is expanding, the other is contracting and vice-versa. This occurs in two-billion-year cycles such that pervaded space expands for one billion years and then contracts for one billion years. We are told that pervaded space is nearing the midpoint of an expansion period, and so the extent of both pervaded and unpervaded space are about equidistant from Paradise.
The cycles of space respiration extend in each phase for a little more than one billion Urantia years. During one phase the universes expand; during the next they contract. Pervaded space is now approaching the mid-point of the expanding phase, while unpervaded space nears the mid-point of the contracting phase, and we are informed that the outermost limits of both space extensions are, theoretically, now approximately equidistant from Paradise. (11:6.4 )
Space respiration is oscillatory. Therefore, when pervaded space is fully contracted, the velocity of expansion would momentarily be zero as the direction changed to expansion. Then for the first portion of the expansion period, the velocity would be increasing until it starts slowing down as it approaches full expansion. At this point the velocity would again go to zero just as space begins to contract. Therefore, the information revealed in the UB does correlate somewhat with the discoveries of our own scientists. Science tells us that the rate of expansion is increasing just as we would expect given our current time position in the respiration cycle. Perhaps our calculations show us an accurate trend, even if the numbers are off.

Although space respiration does describe the phenomenon that our scientists have observed, it does not shed much light on how it works. The celestial astronomers only observe this phenomenon. The mechanism is one of the functions of the Isle of Paradise that is unrevealed. Perhaps no one other than the Eternal Deities truly understand how it works and why it has been ordained to be so. This is something that may forever be a mystery to us. I conjecture to say that it has something to do with the eternal upholding of the universe of universes, which the Father has faithfully executed since the dawn of time and will continue to do for all of eternity without failure. Praise be to God!
“It is not in the stars to hold our destiny but in ourselves.” – William Shakespeare
Amigoo
Family
Posts: 12677
Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:32 pm
Please type in these numbers: 46373: 0
Please type in these numbers:91294: 0
Location: Dallas, TX

Re: Revealed Science in the Urantia Book

Post by Amigoo »

:idea: This hints that motion is necessary in the physical universe ... and even that, without motion, time does not exist.
Or that motion permits the growth-producing interaction of all the parts of the system. Thus, unpervaded space is
the leavening/deleavening required for pervaded space expansion/contraction.

A vehicle's engine coolant overflow tank comes to mind. :lol:

Rod :)
Post Reply