can gods love alter genetic material

[happyrain]

and/or obliterate invasive technology?

could the god-ideal, a love/redeemer change the outcome of a disease both innate and environmental?

reading the message tonight called mark of the beast and considering the very real fear for many where transhumanism is concerned- i think if anyone felt regret for adopting a new system or if any technology proved to be intentionally harmful that it is possible gods love can wash away foreign-invaders on a micro level.

either way the message is very clear. just thinking on a different spectrum.

understanding is a fast path to forgiveness.

[Amigoo]

Considering many millions of people - for centuries - who suffer and die from disease
(and fewer from "invasive medical treatment"), we prefer to think that God's love
is not absent in the lives of these people. And from God's perspective,
the gift of eternal life is life beyond mortal existence.

Rod

[happyrain]

that's true, i still believe in miracles.

thank you for the humbling perspective, there's a lot of hysteria or fear of the unknown. but the faith in the words you spoke are strengthening.

[happyrain]

hey rod, a thought occurred to me tonight.
i think with enough conviction even we have the power to influence the "rules" that define our reality.

jesus as a master was able to affect the collective consciousness in a way that he was able to literally cast demons out from peoples lives. there are human beings who can perform miracles.

a right attitude can create change at the cellular/molecular level.

[Sandy]

jesus as a master was able to affect the collective consciousness in a way that he was able to literally cast demons out from peoples lives. there are human beings who can perform miracles.

a right attitude can create change at the cellular/molecular level.

[Amigoo]

Regarding demons ...

"In general, when weak and dissolute mortals are supposed to be under the influence of devils and demons, they are merely being dominated by their own inherent and debased tendencies, being led away by their own natural propensities. The devil has been given a great deal of credit for evil which does not belong to him. Caligastia has been comparatively impotent since the cross of Christ." (UB, 53:8.9)

Regarding miracles ...

These do occur, but what defines "miracle" also includes much that is inherent in our well-managed universe.
That miracles don't appear when we petition hints that our viewpoint is not inclusive of other importance.

Rod

[happyrain]

it seems we agree. i had a sneaking suspicion that the word, 'demon' would throw somebody off. while i can't say i rely on the UB book, i do agree with this definition. and am happy to come here and seek counsel from those who do study the book.
i am not speaking for any person besides my self, that the word demon and miracle are often thrown about with only a surface level understanding. it is also why ive selectively worded in the same post that jesus, as a master(a human engaged in self mastery) was able to effect consciousness in a way that he could alleviate the suffering of others. i imagine jesus, alongside other great ones who walk this earth, have an understanding of self and consciousness that would mean performing action which would appear 'miraculous' to a majority of people when operating at a surface level with the ecosystem.
this is fine too. the moment we dig deep within our selves and together look at the religious philosophies in harmony with science, we find that the rules that dictate our experience arent actually broken but that our understanding is transcended.
these are things worth studying. the influence of the environment, faith and the power of will, attitude or perspective which have an effect on our physical and mental bodies.
i have had a few experiences where i was able to cast demons out from friends and strangers and have observed its effect in the 3D and from the spiritual eye. it is beautiful and inspiring!

[Amigoo]

That the UB is all about Jesus being the incarnated creator of our universe
whose incarnation purpose was to further reveal God to humans ...
and that UB is not about things "metaphysical" (human perspective)
... presents unique discussion challenges. Vive la différence!

I once had a well read friend who could quote many things metaphysical
and believed that humans could exist on air alone! He created 5 categories
of food/drink to eliminate, one by one. After eliminating the third,
an opportunistic pathogen hastened his departure from the planet
... where he now exists on other energies (?).

Rod

[happyrain]

gosh, i really love the way God or Spirit is able to answer our cries through synchronicities like the 1111 time prompt. God is able to reach us in whatever fashion suits our individual evolution, if we are willing to listen. While it is not the UB book, this synchronicity has prompted me to share here either way. it clearly touches up on my questions, and with no prior knowledge of my individual pursuit or state of mind when creating this thread(i received this in an email just this morning. info quoted below). this happens too often for so many of us here on this MB. it is what we have in common. it is divine inspiration. i really believe all my questions have been answered and it is moreso a restless mind that pulls me away from this realization or, link that is communion with our Father... a Living Spirit

Commentary by Hazrat Inayat Khan:

Different conditions and the changes that take place in the world have their effect upon the mind, and the different conditions of the mind have their effect upon the body. As bodily illness makes man irritable, confused and exhausted in mind, so different conditions of the mind cause health or illness in the body. The link between the body and the mind is the breath, a link through which the influences of the body and the mind are exchanged and work upon one another.

from https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/XIII/XIII_11.htm


Every passion, every emotion has its effect upon the mind; and every change of mind, however slight, has its effect upon a man's body... One man is perhaps striving all day to earn his own bread so that he may live in a comfortable manner. Another is always worrying about how to maintain himself and his children. Another is thinking, 'What can I do to save my fellow man from his trouble?' If we compare these people, in order to see who is the greatest, we see that he is greatest whose ideal is greatest.

When we consider that great heroes of the past and present, those whom we admire and to whom we look with hope for right guidance, we shall find that what has made them great has been the greatness of their ideal. The lower the ideal, the less the efforts. The higher the ideal, the greater the life. If we use all our intelligence and strength and wisdom to accomplish some little thing, it is only a waste of life. To consider what great things one can accomplish, to seek to do those things which will be most useful and valuable to others, that is the ideal life. ... Come to the mystic, then, and sit with him when you are tired of all these other remedies that you have employed in vain; come and take a glass of wine with him. The mystic wine is the inner absorption, which removes all the worries and anxieties and troubles and cares of the physical and mental plane. All these are now done away with forever. It is the mystic who is at rest. It is he who experiences that happiness which others do not experience. It is he who teaches the way to attain that peace and happiness which are the original heritage of man's soul.


from https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VII/VII_13.htm

I will leave this thread with the original celestial message that promoted this
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=30493

[Sandy]

Thank you for posting this Eric,

I always appreciate the inspired words from Hazrat Inayat Khan. And as you pointed out the timing and synchronicity of it all often rings true for me and what is occurring in my life and spiritual journey.

xxSandy

[lethaniel]

Hello everyone!

Interesting topic this one here.

I would like to point out several things:

In the Urantia book 10:3.1 “Let us make mortal man in our own image.”. A lot has happened, besides mortal man's own interpretation and Lucifer's Rebellion, but man imagined God the other way around: to man's own image. With this, came in all man's defects of character: bad temper, sadness, vengance, etc etc etc. What I mean is that you can use your mind to create a blue giraffe, with all the details, and at some point you could say it exist (at least on your mind). George, if I recall correctly, left a small plant in his Akashic Construct, just to find it all grown later. He also complained to well known Midwayer, just to be told that it was him who left that big plant there.

We are indeed co-creators, and thoughts can change almost everything (to certain degree at least right now). Take this other example for instance: picture your favourite food (if you like spicy or not, each one is different). Did you just see your own reaction in your mouth? Thought can modify or create 'reactions'. I do believe, that it is not only to take the right actions that modify your own reality, but also much more (a lot more).

The words with the right intentions can make a fruit taste better. On the other hand, hate and bad words can make an apple go bad (do try it at home). If faith can move mountains, what do you think can love do, even if we can't fully grasp it within this (our) reality? Even better if it's truly aligned with our Father's Will?

How come then, that things don't usually happen as we want them to be? Now that's a very good question.

I wonder ...


Oscar E.

[happyrain]

Thank you Oscar, this is interesting.

I believe the answer to the question, can gods love alter genetic material is yes.

But to know, 'how things are supposed to be' is better left in the hands of our creator- that's where I'm at right now. I think learning how to turn within, to develop faith alongside discernment, is the best we can do. Perhaps we get things wrong, or perhaps it is the nature of ideas to battle one another.

[Sandy]

Hi Oscar,
I was just thinking about you yesterday morning. I hope you and your family are well.

I am pondering something...if everything in the entire universe is made of matter originating with the Source in Paradise...then is there any real separation between what we deem as ordinary universe matter and material we humans reorganize etc...? So are we evil geniuses or following a gained knowledge that may lead to something helpful and support future amazing discoveries? Could it be that the answer lies in our intent with the work?
Oh boy...sometimes it seems we live on a knife's edge.

I don't have an answer but am pondering in my own simple way.

xxSandy

[lethaniel]

Hello again!

Nice to meet you Eric! I hope everything is well!

Sandy, we are indeed very well. Our little girl is growing. To those who don't know, we are already parents, even if our little Guadalupe hasn't been born yet. Everything is going very well. I hope you are well too!

As a Spanish translator of the Celestial's messages board, I've been reading from 'day one' (the oldest message post I could find). There might be a few hundred out there that I haven't caught on, but it is not about how much you read, I strongly believe it is about how much you experience with these knowledge, and even then, you can get it wrong, but that is what wisdom is made of: experienced knowledge, which is not easy if you try it alone, but easier if you go by your T.A.'s hand.

Indeed Eric, I agree with you. To expand a little bit about this one, there was a message on the board (don't ask me when or where haha), that said that we give our Father our free will, to enrich it and to actually get our 'real will' back. Ask and you shall receive, but your intention should have the backbone of helping others, for the greater good which is actually a intention filled with love. If you add compassion, well, try it out! Let our Father's will be done.

About what Sandy says... I don't think we get to have ideas of our own, at least not entirely. Most revolutionary thinkers got their greater ideas in dreams, or in a flash of being calm. Where did this come from? As you can know about history and other reliable sources, it was their decision to speak aloud, to actually find a way to share what they uncover (we call it discover, but was it?). What about those other things that are used to destroy? If you take a look at any example, there are tons of creations that are very ingenious. Whether it is an idea that makes the greater or not that greater good, this planet, our dear Urantia, our little blue dot in God's Plan, is a experiential world, confusing isn't it? And yet God finds it so beautiful.

Our free will prerogatives allow us to go sideways of our Father's Plan, and history has shown us this (the little of we know). But things are indeed changing, and the lock we may have, that doesn't allows us to manifest a greater good is being unlocked. I strongly believe, that if it is not for love, for the greater good of others, evil intentions can no longer manifest through our creative powers anymore. Yes, some of our brothers might get their hands on destroying technologies the world has never seen, ... to what extent they can actually destroy our world, this I believe depends on also, on our loving prayers and thoughts, and all what Jesus and his associates are doing to bring this world back to Light. Not a battle of wills, more likely Love shall prevail!

I got carried away! Sorry! The trust in his Loving Will, we call it faith: curiosity tinged with hope.

Have a very nice week!


Oscar E.

[Sandy]

Hi Oscar and everyone,

Please feel free to get carried away just as much as you wish, Oscar.

You wrote:

About what Sandy says... I don't think we get to have ideas of our own, at least not entirely. Most revolutionary thinkers got their greater ideas in dreams, or in a flash of being calm. Where did this come from? As you can know about history and other reliable sources, it was their decision to speak aloud, to actually find a way to share what they uncover (we call it discover, but was it?). What about those other things that are used to destroy? If you take a look at any example, there are tons of creations that are very ingenious. Whether it is an idea that makes the greater or not that greater good, this planet, our dear Urantia, our little blue dot in God's Plan, is a experiential world, confusing isn't it? And yet God finds it so beautiful.

This makes sense... and I agree it is confusing as I think of the most obvious ingenious device that could actually wipe out life on this planet, the Atomic Bomb. I am wondering though if the research that began in this area has already begun to unlock universe science that will aid life on this planet and maybe even our understanding of the Creator of all. (thinking of quantum physics) Unfortunately, I am not a scientists and my understanding is minuscule. But I do have hope for this world if we can only reach what seems unreachable with love... I haven't a clue how to do that...but God knows so there lies the great hope.

It is so easy to get caught up in the latest horrors of the day and forget that real power rests in Love. Anything is possible. Your words reminded me of a recent meditation Kim experienced where leaders and people that much of the world deems evil are seen in their child-like form. Reminding that we all spring from children and our experiences shape the adult we see. From understanding maybe love can spring.

It is good to know your little Guadalupe is doing well. This is a very exciting time for you and your wife and I pray for your families' health and welfare. When is she due to be born?

xxSandy

[lethaniel]

Hello everyone!

Sandy... Guadalupe is due to sometime between last week of October, and the first week of November. The Doc says he doesn't want to stress my wife's body any longer than necessary, so we're aiming to the 37-38 week, and even we worry about Lupe's little lungs having to be formed using medication, we are all in our Father's hands.

How are you? I hope you all are well.

About what you wrote:

This makes sense... and I agree it is confusing as I think of the most obvious ingenious device that could actually wipe out life on this planet, the Atomic Bomb. I am wondering though if the research that began in this area has already begun to unlock universe science that will aid life on this planet and maybe even our understanding of the Creator of all. (thinking of quantum physics) Unfortunately, I am not a scientists and my understanding is minuscule. But I do have hope for this world if we can only reach what seems unreachable with love... I haven't a clue how to do that...but God knows so there lies the great hope.

I'm no a quantum physics scientist either! Maybe there is no a right or wrong to send Love, besides using your intentions in prayer and visualizing good reactions in doing so... faith maybe? I remember that story of George, Lou Lou (Louise Hewitt) and Ted Willis (Professor Edward Willis) where they saved an old man with an itchy treatment. Perhaps our prayers can cause a loving itchy need who need it in the world, enough to get them scratching and looking the answer for themselves. In any case, if it is about love, it won't hurt to try.

We are all children to our Father's eyes and heart, and it matters not if someone's evil (there are no evil souls nor creations), thief, violent and whatever wrongs you can think of... the ignorance of the Love of our Father is something God understands pretty well. And even we might get angry (of some sort) to that rude person in traffic because only God knows what hurries they might have, once you experience God's Love within, this issues, become so small and insignificant every time. It is all there, within, even our no so perfect genetics inheritance, has something to offer.

We even might hesitate if all this works, because you don't actually get to see the atomic changes "in real time", but everything that is everlasting, usually changes very slow. Lessons to learn, things to experience, wisdom to acquire... That tweetting network, from now and then, gets to show you eventually, people actually leaving the hate behind and growing. You dig enough anywhere and everywhere and you might get to see it... if you don't, do not worry... someday you will get to know the impact of your intentions.

Have a nice week!

[lethaniel]

Hello everyone, me again.

I remembered that 20 days ago, I accidentally cut my self with a broken window. It was a very small cut, half a cm, and while it wasn't that deep it sure reminded me that there is a lot of liquid in our bloodstream. So there I was when I heard my T.A. saying: "Do the thing!" and I was like,.. what thing ?

I believe that me as a T.A., trying to handle a human who doesn't get anything in spite having a good memory I would tear myself up! "The thing!!!" then images shown Sandy having a conversation about looking oneself in the mirror and "taking back time" to look younger.

Oh that thing. So I visualized with the most calm (I was calm, but I can be calmer) I could and picture each cell fusing back together. Each of one of them. Also I picture then repairing each other (which seem weird to me). After three minutes the bleeding stopped, except for some little droplets that in 10 minutes where gone. Pain was reduced. And I said, maybe it wasn't that much. The glass sliced diagonally, so a little bit of skin tissue was loose, which when I was getting dressed open the wound again.

So I did the "thing" again. I barely can tell it's there. In less that 2 days was gone. I don't heal up that quickly. I was reminded of this because 3 days ago I hurt my knuckle (I wasn't punching anyone or anything), because I was trying to fit my hand to get something below furniture. It still shows, and I didn't "do the thing!".

So yes, I believe God's love can alter always the material. Go within, often, 15 minutes and more! Don't leave it for later, not because you'll be missing out, but because in this life, it's totally worth it.

Regards!

[happyrain]

Hi Oscar- thank you for sharing! And thank you for reminding me of the intimate partnership with our guides, how they can chime in with simple ideas even in our day-to-day activities! They can be very encouraging thoughts that seem to come from somewhere else.

For me it's been to write something down in the moment, or to take these "in the moment" thoughts on with more awareness in general. Instead of allowing them to be fleeting, I try to feel it out and ask my self if I should engage it further. And there is an actual feeling/knowing that comes- yes pursue this, no drop it and move on. Pretty amazing.

Thanks for reminding me to go within too... I felt pulled to look at the setting sun today. That something in me was screaming: "I dont care what you're doing right now- you need to go gaze at the sunset!"

Even though I didn't get to as long as I wanted/should have... I did! And I can't describe it clearly enough but immediate eye contact with the setting sun vibrated my body left and right like a ship getting settled in its dock. It was such an amazing feeling, and then the feeling of being within became very understandable.

Well, I'm glad you're all healed up! I agree with you- Very cool noticings! = )

[Sandy]

I'm inspired by all of your posts this morning... I sat outside, the computer on my lap and just enjoyed the peace. The peace that God provides but the peace we choose to accept. It seems easier for me when sitting in nature. I mean...nature is sooo BIG and just when you think you have it figured out...Bam! A new realization smacks you. While nature can easily distract us in a good way from our desired meditations...it certainly more often lends itself to the process in a positive way. So for those who read and struggle at first with building a stillness/meditation routine... you might consider starting slow at first by spending some quiet time with nature...just observe. Often this leads to that covetted inner growth and patience in more so-called traditional meditation. Okay went off on a tangent there when the subject was "Can God alter genetic material".

Yes! and in differing noticeable ways. For those who enjoy tools, my example involves an amega wand...which has some sorts of crystals inside. (I know this as I accidentally broke the metal wand and it fell open. Must have hit in just the right way...
But my collaborating example involved me setting my hand down on a burner that I had forgotten was still hot. I immediately stuck it in ice water but it was out it hurt like crazy. I found our wand and I prayed that God would help me heal. So I made the small concentric circles with the wand in the air above the burned hand while I pictured healing taking place. At about five minutes into what I deem "the wanding" there was a great surge of pain and then less and less pain until at about 10 minutes the blisters were gone and the skin just a little pink. I decided then I could live with that or otherwise, my wanding hand would need a dose of healing as well.
My point is though...two things...God did the healing...I knew God could do the healing and well, three things...and God can use anything...tools if desired to do the healing. I could probably say the handy dandy little wand gave me something to focus my intention on...

But you can see from Oscar's example that tools aren't needed for healing when the intention, will, and faith are strong. I also would like to say that Lytske does the same as Oscar described and includes her body's cells in healing efforts. (pictures are worth a thousand words) We can potentially use this healing modality for others with their permission and that of their God Within. With other people, we cannot control their emotions and thoughts around healing. So it can be rather complex. For instance, nearly 20 years ago my best friend, Wingzie was diagnosed with ALS. Every healer on the planet desired to heal her...but there were eternal lessons in play for her throughout this life experience...so many blessings and so many heartaches. But in the end, she wrote and told me she had healed...I was ecstatic... yet, it wasn't what I thought...It was grander, more eternal. She had found her peace, her excitement as to what the future brings. She found complete trust in the overcare of the Creator and in that, she found true happiness even though the disease was still ravaging her body.
It is the same with all of us whether we have a terminal illness or a swollen ankle. Lessons abound among all things in life and so does the joy. There is no healing like that of discovering the peace that comes from allowing God to direct your life. (I am still in the very early stages of working on that... slow learner here.. )
Sorry about the long rambling post.
xxSandy

[happyrain]

Dear Sandy,

Please don't apologize for your post- it was hardly what I would consider a long one. And, I love your personality thrown into the mix. Thank you so much for sharing the stories both your own experience and that of Wingzie's. Truly inspirtational.

Finding that Peace does seem like the ultimate healing. And, considering the physical effects stress has on the body- that Peace works wonders.

[lethaniel]

Hello Sandy and everyone,

I agree with Eric, no apologies needed. In fact I have to cut them short, because I get too happy typing and when I see it, I have to let go of some things, but keeping all I want to say.

God in Jesus/Micael times was the Great Healer. Jesus according to several situations, accommodate to the beliefs of the people around Him, but He always said that it was according to faith that it shall be done. The commandment for us to be perfect as Our Father in heavens is perfect. This is not about just what we do, say, feel or are. There is The Universal Father Who is God above and in the center of everything and everyone. We are God's offspring, so what are we then too ? Even if you say it mentally it might sound preposterous and egocentric, but it's true.

But so, is it the tools? or is it the actual belief of the person or people makes it happen? When people come together and believe that something can be done (or undone), it just is. It doesn't matter the belief is like. Here is an article on the matter:

New York Times - 1998
https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/13/scie ... %20cancer.

So tools might be channels for your intention, but you are even the channel the one that holds the will and which God allows the power of whatever to be. It doesn't seem to matter what. It's not placebo, it's your own right to be God's offspring, there is power in faith, whatever you seem to believe, shall be done so.

Now onto the second part of Sandy's response. What about those who don't get healed? Are we not trying hard enough ? Does God not love me anymore? Like 6 months ago, I saw a video of a woman in Spain that could see Celestials as George did. Now now, bear with me, because there are a lot of scammers out there. This woman couldn't just stop smiling. All her life was kind of in the joyful happy mood. She then came into a part where the interviewer asked her about the cancer she had. She told the interviewer that back then she went angry and desperate. She was of service and serving willingly always with such joy, because she could heal people. So why did this happened to her? She asked Jesus. I find the answer very interesting.

In spanish there is a word for such a disgrace (misfortune, unfortunate, etc.) event. If you translate disgraces, it comes out like desgracias. And splitting the word is what Jesus put into this woman's attention it comes out as des (give) and gracias (thanks). To be in disgrace is something that we are supposed to be thankful for. You can learn a lot from pain, and in the other side, there shall be no pain ever. This is an interesting concept, 'cause it would mean accepting you're sick, and embrace it. I don't believe it is about the sickness itself but it does how makes a person feel, if it's sad, anger, desperate and keep the person in those states that, when you accept it and are grateful for the lessons, even if things don't change (the person keeps sick), that person will live peacefully no matter the circumstances.

Sometimes as we get sick, we see it as a punishment. Maybe I did something wrong and angered or I need to be corrected? If you believe you're "behaving" correctly, why would you think you're being punished ? Free will is an amazing feature of God's Creation. It's hard to dispute, there is no such thing as you can't have your free will. Yes, you could say that jails have prisoners and that are there against of their free will (some might say, well you shouldn't have done this or that), but they dream of freedom, even if it's just on their minds. We choose, even if you choose wrong, you get to choose. All the choices that you've made have come and take you where you are now. These are your choices, and even if you were mislead because of bad advice it took somewhere and even if you went to a bad place, you learned something. So this world is kind of forge, where you, with the bad and the good, temper your character as steel.

You can't misbehave into God's eyes. God knows all. From God's perspective, even if you are 200 years old in this life, you might be not mature enough, yet.There is a lot to experience and learn. In the next life you'll be amazed and so. Those who have heard (or been) into the sea of glass, can talk about it.

So yes, there is more to it, that just believing you're a tool. Even if you take it lightly to be God's children is something that turns on some switch within.

You all like a quiet place to be within the T.A, as I do. But lately due to Guadalupe (my little daughter) it's hard to be all that quiet. I would like you to try, though, noisy environments to get within and quiet down your mind. It takes a lot of practice, but it can be done, to some extent. To be as silent as to be in that special place it is personal, much if God within is instructing you, so it is preferable a quiet environment, but you should also give other things a shot and see.

Well I'm off! No editing this one!


Regards,

[Sandy]

Well, I sort of did as you asked this morning, Oscar.
I conversed with God outside and then became quiet and just listened.
I have learned that noise itself can be used to lead you to the quiet place within. Yes, I know this sounds strange, but it is true.
So I sat outside this morning and decided to use sound, firstly, because inside my house is not quiet...It is and it isn't. I take care of my mom, (she is my Quadalupe) and even though she sleep several hours longer than I do, the house is full of chores that always call to me. And so, I am more apt to drift off to all those responsibilities. I sat outside secondly because I do find sound an effective way for me to approach the silence. I also feel energies in many ways so the earth's energies soothe me and calm my restlessness. I first focused on all the sounds that can be heard in the distance...then I brought my awareness closer and listened... brought it closer again and listened... and eventually listened and focused on the sounds within my body, predominantly, my heartbeat. From there it was relatively simple to become quiet and restive and in a place where Divine connections can be enjoyed.

I feel positively wonderful now...
xxSandy

You know. in the past, one of the drawbacks to sitting outside was the insect population...It was not a problem today...no insects other than ants and we have an understanding.