11:11 Angels Message Board

Oops. EST, big ol' typo.

It looks like no one was able to make the 1PM EST zoom meet up today. I hung out for a little just in case, but I am going to leave now to run my errands. No worries mates. I am really contemplating what supreme sovereignty means.

I asked AI to elaborate, here's what it was able to find based on pre-existing information:

"In summary, supreme sovereignty in a religious and spiritual context is a multifaceted concept that encompasses divine authority, personal autonomy, self-mastery, and a deep connection to one's true, infinite self."

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Oscar, maybe you can share your thoughts on the DUDES here on the forum since we did not get to meet up today.

Kind regards!

So sorry, Eric,
My sister followed me home and stayed several hours last Friday.

The afternoon for me will always be a little bit of a problem, as Mom will be up and more active at this time.

I hadn't really thought much about "Supreme authority," where religion/beliefs are concerned. Knowing it belongs to God sort of let me off the hook as to worrying about it or my beliefs. He is welcome to it.

xxSandy

Thanks Sandy,

It's quite alright. Next Friday I intend to meditate in the same zoom room with someone at 5PM CST. I might be able to skip my morning walk since I intend to get one in tomorrow with Dad for the Memorial Day holiday. That being said, if you'd like to try and meet Friday morning or Friday evening let me know.

All in Gods timing ~

Hello brother, Sandy and everyone!

Well:

maybe you can share your thoughts on the DUDES here on the forum

Why not?

On paper 18, you can find the "The Supreme Trinity Personalities". I'm not going about each one of these personalities, just The Ancient of Days.

They are the offspring of The Trinity. While you've heard about the Master Spirits of each Superuniverse, The Ancient of Days, are quite identical in their own features. They are 21 in number, and They are concerned in everything about administration in each Superuniverse. They operate in a trio fashion, although at some point they can operate in duo. In higher choice making, they must operate in the three mannered fashion. They were all trinitized at the same time at the beginning of the personalities records of the universe of universes (Havona, I believe)

In the UB 18:3.7 it is stated: "In power, scope of authority, and extent of jurisdiction the Ancients of Days are the most powerful and mighty of any of the direct rulers of the time-space creations. In all the vast universe of universes they alone are invested with the high powers of final executive judgment concerning the eternal extinction of will creatures. And all three Ancients of Days must participate in the final decrees of the supreme tribunal of a superuniverse." This is why I say They are the Dudes!

Remember when we got on the subject about hierarchy ? Well it seems if (hypothetically) a Higher being was visiting our local Universe (that being is from outside our local Universe), and a mistake was made that being (hypothetically), our Dear Sovereign Christ Micael, Who now possess all authority in our local Universe, wouldn't be able to pass judgement for this personality. This a very kind of, never happening kind of stuff example, but in this case judgement will be pass by The Ancient of Days. Now, God doesn't judge, but as Free Will beings, we must be held accountable by our mistakes and such. We are not even close to be there, at the starting point yet. This is where Ancient of Days enter. They didn't gain experience in the matter, but they were "made" for this job, and currently, it is only "temporary", while the Supreme Being, finish the experiential career. When this happens, The Ancient of Days will become viceregent to the Supreme Being.

Do not see judgement as an arbitrary matter, where punishment is bound to happen. If I could say something about it, it would be like, a love filled parent, just putting his/her child in the face of undeniable truth, so you can actually learn from your own mistakes. Although, certain error judgement mistakes, can actually put at risk your mind, the administration will extend their hand, so you can have a fair treatment, with an unbiased truth (which is actually factual truth, collected by other personalities on the Ancient Days' behalf). You, me and almost everybody you can come across to, has free will, even the will to cease existence on their own choice.

In the end, it comes together as a big administration group, as much deep you go, much more perfection is needed to actually be able to administrate a Superuniverse. This is why is said that there is no Democracy in the heavens. But don't worry about this, there is a much more love than you can actually imagine.

I'm going to stop here, so you can get in touch with your inner self.

Let me know if anything comes to mind,

Regards,

What comes to mind is it might be like being born in certain worlds where those "stark truths" are made apparent, but can only be rightfully accepted by the individual. Perhaps it means living life with a unique family dynamic that is meant to reveal something to the interpreter over the course of time. And perhaps that family is not just the immediate archetype in ones environment but one that extends beyond the human garb. Life after life.

Just ideas... I will definitely have to sit more with it...

If I remember correctly, did not Christ Michael before his Earth incarnation seek out the Ancient of Days in order to embark on this special quest? And even more interesting is that while he was a Human of Earth, somewhere in his subconscious he remembered these order of beings and consciously spoke to the Luciferian forces on Mount Hermon that they too would face the Ancient of Days...

Separately, I want to play with Perplexity on this one... https://www.perplexity.ai/search/using- ... .fSZQ_NQ#2

And as I do I learn more on "Spiritual Reflectivity" which makes me think about the Divine Being that Swami Vidyadhishananda has said descended on September 14th 2014. That Being is called Lord Kalki according to Hindu philosophy. He is human incarnate, but Swami said by his "Divine Prowess" (Simply, his natural influence in unseen realms) nuclear war might be averted.

This makes me think of the Ancient of Days not only as unique personalities- but by their way of being, their natural existence- these forces orchestrate Divine Judgement(love) for creation in lower/denser realms- like our material world and the opportunities found herein. Those opportunities bring us closer to our Creator, if we choose- all opportunity brings a greater understanding of God and our selves.

So....

It might be a little late for asking, but who's up for today?

Regards,

Hi Oscar, I've made a commitment to meditate with a friend. It's in the same room we go to. It starts at 4PM CST and will likely be 25 minutes. You're welcome to join us if it's not too late of notice.

Afterwards, I have to take time to my self to prepare dinner and a meal for work tomorrow.

Hey guys, I'm picking up a work shift this Friday and my sister is coming in town for our dalmatians birthdays and to celebrate her own birthday too.

Are there any papers we could read together? Even if we can't zoom, we can talk about our experiences here.

I've been watching the chosen, it's really good! Is it true Jesus gave authority to the apostles to heal the sick and cast out demons when he sent them on their journey's to prepare the way for his arrival?

Wild!

Hi Eric,

Paper 158 The Mount of Transfiguration is an interesting one. It’s the story of when Jesus allowed three of his apostles to witness him communicating with Gabriel and Father Melchizedek. It also tells of a time the apostles tried to cast out a demon (rebellious Midwayer) but failed.

I hope you have a nice weekend celebrating all those birthdays. I will be celebrating mine this weekend as well.

Cheers,
Jon

Happy Birthday my friend.

And thanks for the suggestion.

Hey Jon!

Happy Birthday! I hope you can manage lots of celebration.

Eric, paper 158, is much interesting today than it was when I read it.

I can actually meet today. Anybody?


Regards,

Sorry friend, I just got home.

Maybe we can meet tomorrow... Of course, I have to ask the ZOOM owner for permission to join. I don't want to take advantage.

Out of curiosity, what part of that page stood out to you?

I am so amazed by the show, The Chosen. It does a really great job, all the characters are believable. I am getting a better understanding of our complicated selves from that time period.

Jesus is amazing...

Hello brother and everyone,

The Chosen, for it to be a show, it is interesting how it reaches out, something ponders inside. When the show came out, it was first on their platform, and not all episodes and seasons were out, so I believe I might start it again all over. It is interesting, that no other movies about Jesus have come out, and those that do, kind of reaches even further into our hearts.

As for Paper 158: Well you know me, almost everything for me stands out! But I'll humor you:

1. The Transfiguration: I'm taking out the important stuff, about Jesus' bestowal, and the intention of Gabriel and Father Melchizedek, not because it is a minor thing (it is obviously huge), but because I want the human approach. Paper says on this part that they were: "...two brilliant beings clothed in the habiliments of the light of the celestial world." Meaning perhaps that even their clothes shine bright. On the other hand, Jesus' face was the only aspect of Himself that was brimming with heavenly light. Since the Urantia Book only mentions one Gabriel (as in Archangel Gabriel), He was mistaken for Elijah, maybe becase there were no wings to be seen of some sort. Also to mistake Father Melchizedek, for Moses, it perhaps looked like an elderly man with a beard. This minor details might not seem important, but until today, remain some truth, due to Peter's interpretation of the facts. How many things out there, we also do we interpret with our own conceptions and perspectives?

2. Jesus Healing the epileptic boy: It is important the part where the Apostles fail to heal the boy, yes. But I find it more heart vibrating that part when a father is asking, on his knees, for Jesus to heal his son. And He then answers: “Question not my Father’s power of love, only the sincerity and reach of your faith. All things are possible to him who really believes.” All things are possible. That is a very wide broad spectrum, of things (if you call them that). The love of a father who's suffering through the suffering of his child, tried everything and everyone and he is desperate. He will do anything, so he says: “Lord, I believe. I pray you help my unbelief.” What a Mix! He believes, but he asks for help of that parts of himself that doesn't believe. That is, a lot of faith. Midwayers back then were a little different than today.

3. Peter's Protest: Only a few of nowadays people, can say that they would have wanted to be in the fishermen shoes. After such a reality check scolding, not anyone could have stayed in the group. But that aside, Jesus human nature imposed after Peter declared: “Master, be it far from us to contend with you, but I declare that these things shall never happen to you.” He said it out of love, not wanting anything bad to happen to his Master. And He (Jesus) was talking about dying! This simple minded fisherman just stated out loud, what the rest of the group didn't want to say out loud. Then Jesus said: "Get you behind me. You savor of the spirit of the adversary, the tempter. When you talk in this manner, you are not on my side but rather on the side of our enemy. In this way do you make your love for me a stumbling block to my doing the Father’s will. Mind not the ways of men but rather the will of God." Now if you ask me, this is a very human feature of the Son of Man Who knows, what is it going to happen to Him. How bad, cruel, and terrible things are to come. To actually feel the subtle possible temptation, of that not to happen, would have might having conflicted in doing The Father's Business. But there are several parts (UB and Bible) where Jesus defends the Will of the Father, from being attacked through Himself: "Forgive them, because they do not know what they're doing!" or "Only the Father in Heavens is Good."

It is this little things, that say that even He is God, The Creator of our Universe, He was also human, and acted upon the human nature of Himself. This is a good thing. I'm not about to criticize of our beloved Father-Brother Who bravely gave His life on the cross, to do The Father's Will (Which by the way has been misunderstood for a long time.), but to actually see or perceive His human nature and very little moments of through His brilliant earthly life, kind of makes me relieved. As role model, even He had "Dual Nature", the Divine Nature of Him always have been a Creator Son, and the human nature, that reached the peak of existence by knowing the God within, He never gave in. It might have been a rude thing to say to Peter, and Peter kind of didn't have a long term memory back then, because he later cut Malcom's ear when they were taking Jesus, but it might have helped him to see within before actually saying things just "because".

These are the "human's side" standouts of the Paper that stood out for me. Of course, the Divine aspects of the Paper are important, very very important too. But since you're growing, those aspects can only reach your soul as you progress even further.

Jesus could have left us. Just like that, but He decided to do The Father's Will of completing His existence, without Him intervening to avoid the natural course of events. This also explains why He didn't stood for himself when they took Him to see Pontius Pilate.

So, what are your standouts?

Man! This keyboard was on fire today!

Regards,

Brother Oscar! Good morning mi amigo.

Yes, you should re-watch The Chosen because they are about to release season 5! I just finished all 4 seasons and Jesus is entering the holy city on the donkey.

I remember reading the parts that stood out to you, and even seeing them in the show. Here, in America, Season 5 is coming out on Fathers day.

Sorry to jump between the two but they also did a great job at illustrating his human nature. When I read that part, in the paper, I could see he was referencing the temptation of self interest above the will of the father. That he knew the will of the father, and that he is the father, still razzles my mind. But as they say, "sounds like a personal problem to me"

Simon-Peter, what a great character... In the show, when Jesus was on his way to resurrect his friend Lazarus... Just before doing so he looked at his disciples and fell to his knees crying. They didn't understand, even though he told them plainly what was going to happen to him, that he would be rejected and die. That night, after resurrecting his friend. He relays his concerns to Lazarus. He tells him how frustrated he's been at the religious leaders of the day, why he's so heart broken and confused his disciples would not accept what he said after he spoke it plainly to them 3 times what was going to happen to him... Lazarus said, "they're only human" Jesus replied, "so am I."
Lazarus followed it up with... "But you're the Son of God." And Jesus gave pause.

I believe I had a dream again with Jesus last night. I asked him in my dreams if he is the son of God does that also make me a son of God? I think he said no. Nothing wrong with the dream. No anger towards the answer. The dream continued with much Love, Respect and being assigned group task by Jesus.

Yes.. Each apostle had a unique interpretation, and Jesus spoke to each one.

Another thought crossed my mind... Because Jesus speaks of everlasting life, and an eternal career... When Jesus told his disciples- you would go on and do greater things than me, I wonder if he was speaking of his disciples lineage in future settings.

Also, mind blowing to me, is to think truly how accepted Jesus is all over the world now. King of Kings. King of the Universe.

I am late, but I hope that Jon had a wonderful birthday weekend, the dalmations, and Eric's sister, too.
My sister had a birthday yesterday as well.
hugs,
Sandy

Hello Sandy!

I hope that Jon and your sister had a marvellous birthday. Some people don't like to age though. But each new "now" it's a opportunity and reason to celebrate. To life in this life, to experience the Life in the after life! A toast to everybody!

I think I have wine in the fridge, so I'll be toasting once again!

Regards,

Hey Eric,

I was kind of really happy because of the birthdays, that I forgot what I wanted to say.

I believe I had a dream again with Jesus last night. I asked him in my dreams if he is the son of God does that also make me a son of God? I think he said no.

This makes sense due to the tittle belonging to Christ/Micael - Jesus. We did came from somewhere though. Your personality is way different of that of your closest friends' or your mother and father. We might have similar traits, but at the core there are several differences. Only the Father can grant you your personality. Your mind was designed by the Mother of the Universe Who is the daughter of the Infinite Spirit. Your body is made out of matter, which can be seen as thanks to our Planetary Supreme, or Urantia, Who is also a Mother (she sustains life in this world). We might not be able to perceive the many factors that made our existence possible, but here we are.

While we are not the sons of God, as a direct offspring as Christ/Micael is, we are indeed a product of several Gods and Deities. The Father imagined you, and you exist.

It is, a beautiful life, in spite of the circumstances.

Regards,

Well happy birthday to all! Goodness, gracious!

Oscar! I'd drink a glass of wine with you Brother Thank you so much for your follow up post. It means a lot to me, and what perfect alignment with todays celestial message. Did you notice?

The Mother of the Universe is the Daughter of Infinite Spirit. That is poetically pleasing friend! I am grateful for our Mother, Urantia. I tried asking AI if the UB thought of the planets as having a personality, but it said otherwise. However, I disagree. Our planet, Mother, is a God worthy of veneration.

I used to think, a part of our evolution, meant being gifted a planet- maybe a universe. Can we even begin to understand how a planet would represent a part of our personality in lives beyond the human incarnation?

I was not feeling anyway by being told no by Jesus. And sometimes with dreams, I feel what is most important. Sometimes, I toss aside what doesn't serve me or help me in the moment. Oscar, thanks to your advice I stop to feel more often. It is a very true and rewarding way to live. I think watching the Chosen so intently may be why I dreamt I was talking with Jesus. But the color orange has definitely followed me, through customers and even in my dreams again!

I can accept, as well, that sometimes answers don't always make sense until later.

I think of personalities, beyond our human form, as communicating through mediums like color. It is interesting to think on...

It's almost Friday friends. I have a dungeons and dragons event to attend with family and friends this Friday LOL. I say that with Lord of the Rings on in the background. I'm in the fantasy mode.

So... Is there another paper we can read? It looks like I can not make a video call this Friday, but I am hoping we can again with all of our friends sometime soon. In the meantime, I am very grateful for everyone's replies here and contributions... I wish to think more on personality beyond the human body... And wish to contribute more thoughts reading the UB, and any paper anyone finds themselves wanting to look at further.

Heya Famlily-woooOoooO
I'm going to task myself with Paper 37
"Personalities of the Local Universe"

and then Paper 112 "Personality Survival"

Would anyone join me?

Paper 37:

37:3.3 (408.6)The archangel corps of Nebadon is directed by the first-born of this order, and in more recent times a divisional headquarters of the archangels has been maintained on Urantia. It is this unusual fact that soon arrests the attention of extra-Nebadon student visitors. Among their early observations of intrauniverse transactions is the discovery that many ascendant activities of the Brilliant Evening Stars are directed from the capital of a local system, Satania. On further examination they discover that certain archangel activities are directed from a small and apparently insignificant inhabited world called Urantia. And then ensues the revelation of Michael’s bestowal on Urantia and their immediately quickened interest in you and your lowly sphere.

37:3.4 (409.1)Do you grasp the significance of the fact that your lowly and confused planet has become a divisional headquarters for the universe administration and direction of certain archangel activities having to do with the Paradise ascension scheme? This undoubtedly presages the future concentration of other ascendant activities on the bestowal world of Michael and lends a tremendous and solemn import to the Master’s personal promise, “I will come again.”

Would anyone join me?

Sure thing Brother, I'm available on Friday. On Saturday I have a Family event with my girls (wife, little daughter and a niece). Blessed I am amongst women.

Paper 37 is kind of a mind breaker. Tradition says that there is God (Usually the Father), the Son, (mistakenly for Jesus), the Holy Spirit. And you should only trust the 4 archangels approved: Michael, Raphael, Gabriel and Uriel. In this approach the whole Universe doesn't need anyone else for its administration. So when one faces this, something inside just kind of breaks. It makes much more sense, The Father delegates almost everything! Big family isn't ?


With Paper 112, I was very emotional. I became excited because of the future that awaits (the next now, someday). There is a lot we could say in this Paper, so, perhaps it would be beneficial to try and keep it short.

Regards,

Oscar, very cool. Thanks for reading along with me. It's nice we can suggest papers to each other. I finally finished paper 37, and am presently fascinated by the Spironga and the Spornagia. It is curious to me that there are creatures with no ascension plan. And I'm also curious what the Spornagia might look like- UB Tutor says they have no personality. If the UB believes animals have no personality I would have to disagree. My two dogs are full of personality and I have even played with them in the astral.

As you may know, I have once shared my experience with Raphael here on the forum. I could not see this being in true form. But I did see energetic residue outlining a giant ET face. I saw the colors associated with this archangel. And its "personality" was more like a vibration and a neutralizing presence. The word Raphael came to me, not spoken out loud but not spoken with my own thoughts either.

So I took great delight trying to envision what an immaterial personality looks like while digging into paper 37, and like you I was blown away by the grandeur of the governing forces as they have been portrayed.

I'm going to jump on paper 112 tonight and tomorrow... I got a feeling it's going to be a good one.

Oh, and of course... I am filled with awe to be reminded what the eternal career path entails:

This narrative cannot be more than a brief outline of the nature and work of the manifold personalities who throng the universes of space administering these creations as enormous training schools, schools wherein the pilgrims of time advance from life to life and from world to world until they are lovingly dispatched from the borders of the universe of their origin to the higher educational regime of the superuniverse and thence on to the spirit-training worlds of Havona and eventually to Paradise and the high destiny of the finaliters—the eternal assignment on missions not yet revealed to the universes of time and space.

Yes Eric, I've been thinking about this too.

Do animals have personality ? well, animals, or at least some of them do cross over. There are out there several videos of other animals interacting with the deceased animal companions as when they were alive. So lets break it down a bit: Dogs have feelings ? Yes. Even their way of reacting to things, gives off the sensation of they being unique. Even when they're puppies you can actually tell one from another. So as we might consider for ourselves, animals kind of have personality traits. Even if they look alike, you can tell them apart by the way they behave.

They can show feelings, even can learn things, and have a very little lifespan (we wish they lived longer without aging so fast). They can adapt to their owners, but mostly they seem to be unique, in spite of the breed. So to list a few things:

• A dog (or any other animal) didn't learn it across the experience of life, you can tell from the beginning that this behaviour comes from day 1.
  They can act upon situation. In spite knowing that eating the steak, that looks delicious they can tell if they want to mess with it or not. Sometimes is not just training.

• They can feel when they are needed. Have you ever felt sad and the dog just arrives kind of out of nowhere, and he seems to try and comfort you? If not comforting at least, they'll be sad with you.

• A dog is kind of love and playing in action. It takes a lot of time to break off that tender and special way of loving that dogs come with. I've seen it done, unfortunately, and it is a lot of work to reverse it, but to able to keep that humbleness, it is one of a kind living being.

So in the end, it looks like animals might have personality, as we understand it, because they behave, react and act upon situations a certain way that usually is not found in another dogs (or animals).

But, in the other hand, we might not actually comprehend God given personality, as it is. The UB says:

0:5.11 (9.1)Personality. The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

It looks, it share some keypoints of the list above, but when you get to paper 112, it states that personality survival is only possible by choosing to do so, with the mind, the soul, and of course, the Thought Adjuster. Can a dog, actually look at the sky, and imagine where God is ? Sure, dog can look like they're self-conscious. If you call them, they will come (all other dogs, except my dog, she never comes, because she knows she broke, bit or damaged something), so they know that their name means that something is going to happen, either very good (snacks, food, or games) or very bad. They can even tell apart the tone of your voice. Even if a dog is self-conscious, they see their owners as a kind of deity, special if you left them on the leash tied to a pole and afterwards you untie them. You give them food, and they're grateful for it. You're their world.

So to keep the thing, short, I believe we're missing some parts. If the personality can't survive, due to not being able to choose God, because they will not reach that level of self-conciousness, why would they have a personality for? I believe you when you say you played on the astral plain with them, and this is the part where I say I think we are missing some information. I know for sure, that they depart when they die. I felt my father's dog, when we had to put him down, due to cancer (isn't lately cancer for everybody?) He kind of put his nose in my hand and I felt it. The vet later said: "He's gone." I know thought can take forms in the spiritual world. The question is, can they survive without a soul and a personality and, of course, a Thought Adjuster?

Yes, I believe we are missing some pieces of the whole picture. I wish to believe that the mind of the animals is recycled back into another animals, not as in reencarnation, but something alike. In the end, all I can tell you is that it hurts a lot to loose an animal. But there is a kind of reassurance when you loose a loved one, whether is a grandfather, uncle or a father.

Oops, what's with this chatty keyboard!!!

Regards,