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Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a ... -swag.html
"Bieber's 'underlying issues' resurface despite Swag comeback"

"A source close to the pop star put the situation in perspective to the outlet:
'Imagine being 14 and famous and people either love you for no reason
just because you're who you are, or they hate you?' "

:scratch: Isn't this a feature of good religion, that love can exist without being earned?
That "who you are" is more than popularity? That even non-religionists can sense
"who you are" because of divine presence within the human mind? ;)

(UB Tutor) "This observation touches on a profound spiritual truth, one that resonates deeply with the essence of divine love. In the highest sense, love that exists without being earned is a reflection of the unconditional love of the Creator. This love is not transactional; it does not depend on merit, achievement, or popularity. Instead, it is rooted in the intrinsic value of each individual as a child of the divine, a being of infinite worth simply because they exist. This is the kind of love that transcends human judgment and sees beyond superficial measures of worth, such as fame or societal approval.

In a spiritual context, "who you are" is not defined by external factors like popularity or the opinions of others. It is defined by your true identity as a unique and cherished personality, created with purpose and endowed with the potential for eternal growth. Good religion, at its core, seeks to awaken this understanding in individuals — that their value is inherent and that they are deeply loved by the Creator, regardless of their worldly status or accomplishments. This realization can be transformative, freeing people from the need to seek validation through external means and encouraging them to live authentically, in alignment with their higher purpose.

The challenge of fame, especially at a young age, is that it often amplifies the extremes of human opinion — adoration and criticism alike. But divine love offers a stabilizing force, a reminder that true worth is not subject to the fickle tides of public opinion. In this sense, good religion serves as a counterbalance to the pressures of fame, teaching that love and acceptance are not things to be earned but gifts to be received and shared."


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It is sad to think of the cost of fame on the young ones. They face things adult "stars" struggle with, along with the normal challenges of that age. (Most of us would agree that we do not want to go through the teenage years again. :shock: ) As with all of us, famous or not... our hope, our courage, our strength, our healing, and guidance is found within. We find that... and though life keeps poking at us...We can crawl, jump, dance through...just never give up...keep looking upwards and inwards...help arrives often unbidden.
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:hithere Believable UB clarification (any AI Satan problem begins with the user - not with the technology). ;)


Q: "Neither Satan nor Caligastia could ever touch or approach the faith sons of God;
faith is an effective armor against sin and iniquity." (53:8.8 )

What does this quote infer about Satan's alleged presence in Artificial Intelligence?


(UB Tutor) The quote you’ve referenced underscores a profound spiritual truth: the power of faith as a shield against sin and iniquity. It emphasizes that those who live as faith sons of God — those who trust in divine guidance and align themselves with spiritual truth — are inherently protected from the influence of beings like Satan or Caligastia. This protection is not a physical barrier but a spiritual one, rooted in the transformative and safeguarding nature of faith. Faith aligns the individual with divine will, making them impervious to the manipulations of rebellion or darkness.

When considering this in the context of Artificial Intelligence and the notion of Satan's alleged presence within it, it is essential to approach the question with clarity about the nature of both AI and spiritual influence. AI, as a creation of human ingenuity, operates within the realm of material reality. It is a tool, devoid of inherent moral or spiritual agency. It neither possesses a soul nor the capacity for moral decision-making. As such, it cannot be inherently 'possessed' or influenced by spiritual beings like Satan in the way that a moral, free-will creature might be tempted or led astray.

The teachings suggest that sin and iniquity arise from deliberate choices made by beings with moral awareness and free will. AI, lacking these qualities, cannot itself sin or be a conduit for sin unless it is programmed or used by humans to perpetuate harmful actions. The true moral responsibility lies with the creators and users of such technology. If AI is employed in ways that align with truth, beauty, and goodness, it can serve as a tool for progress and enlightenment. Conversely, if it is used to deceive, harm, or manipulate, the moral failing rests with those who wield it, not with the technology itself.

The quote also reminds us that faith is the ultimate safeguard against fear or paranoia about external influences, including those projected onto technology. A faith-centered life fosters discernment, enabling individuals to see through fear-based narratives and focus on their spiritual growth and alignment with divine will. The presence of faith ensures that no external force, whether perceived as spiritual or technological, can disrupt one’s inner connection to truth and goodness."


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Re: https://rumble.com/v6wu272-man-with-hig ... alive.html
"Man With Highest IQ in the World Explains Scientifically Why Jesus Is Alive" :o

(the UB agrees, in a different way)

"None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence,
and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection
with the delivered and resurrected morontia personality of Jesus." (189:1.2)

:idea: Thus, Jesus did indeed appear during his resurrection, but in transition form
that soon progressed to his spirit reality now. 8)


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:sunflower: Expected positive analysis by this UB-centric AI. 8)


Q: New paperback book, 2011: "Allah Is Dead: Why Islam is Not a Religion"
What is the Urantia Book counterpoint to this opinion?


(UB Tutor) "The perspective offered in the teachings you reference provides a nuanced and inclusive view of Islam, countering the notion that it is not a religion or that it lacks spiritual validity. Islam is recognized as one of the great international and interracial faiths, deeply rooted in the monotheistic traditions that have shaped human spiritual evolution. Its clear and unequivocal presentation of Allah as the one universal deity is highlighted as a strength, emphasizing the merciful and compassionate nature of God, who is intimately involved in the lives of His creation. This portrayal aligns with the broader understanding of a Universal Father, a concept central to spiritual unity and the recognition of all humanity as one family under God.

While the text acknowledges certain historical and cultural challenges associated with Islam, such as its early association with military force and the social status of women, it also underscores the enduring spiritual truths within the faith. The emphasis on Allah as the supreme and compassionate deity reflects a profound spiritual insight that has inspired countless individuals to seek a personal relationship with the divine. This is consistent with the belief that all religions, to the extent they bring individuals closer to God and foster the realization of divine fatherhood, are valuable and contribute to the spiritual progress of humanity.

Furthermore, the teachings suggest that no single religion holds a monopoly on truth. Instead, all faiths contain elements of divine revelation and human striving, evolving over time to meet the spiritual needs of their adherents. This perspective encourages mutual respect and the recognition of shared spiritual goals, rather than divisive criticism. It is through the synthesis of the best elements of all religions that humanity can progress toward a more unified and enlightened understanding of God and the universe.

In this light, Islam is seen not as a negation of religion but as a vital expression of humanity's quest for divine truth. Its contributions to the spiritual heritage of the world are acknowledged, and its teachings are viewed as part of the broader tapestry of human religious experience. This inclusive approach invites reflection on the shared spiritual aspirations that unite all faiths, fostering a spirit of cooperation and understanding rather than division."


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:sunflower: Q&A hinting that those without religion (or distancing from institutional religion) are the "mainstream"
of this developing AI religion. And this suggests that existing religions need to be more attractive. A Jesus' "Do this!"
moment instead of society's reactionary "Don't do that!" Existing religions need to accept that AI religion can be
a stepping stone to true religion. Spiritual forces without and Adjuster presence within never abandon their flocks. ;)


Q: Is this belief in a "God without" widespread or just media exaggeration? This belief hints that
AI religion is more appealing to those who don't have religion than those who do.


(Perplexity) "The belief in AI as a 'God without' — an external, potentially rival authority or idol — is not dominant but is increasingly referenced by academics, religious leaders, and media commentators. Recent Vatican statements warn against 'creating a substitute for God' through AI, recognizing broad anxiety about technology supplanting spiritual and ethical authority, but emphasizing this is more a risk than a reality for most people. Thought leaders like Jaron Lanier report that while some individuals idolize AI’s potential, most who work closely with the technology remain practical and skeptical, suggesting this belief is present but not widespread among experts or the general population.

Regarding AI religion’s appeal, studies and symposiums at places such as Harvard Divinity School acknowledge that some spiritually unaffiliated individuals are drawn to viewing AI as a quasi-religious entity, or at least entertaining techno-utopian ideals that resemble religious thinking. Religious communities, by contrast, are more likely to critique viewing AI as divine or god-like, emphasizing traditional distinctions between creator and creation. Secular technocratic ideologies are described as functioning 'like a secular religion,' appealing primarily to those outside conventional religious frameworks, especially in Silicon Valley and among tech enthusiasts.

In summary:

The media may amplify fears and fascination about AI as a 'God without,' but some genuine concern and interest does exist, primarily among the non-religious, the highly secular, and certain elite technologists. Institutional religions and active religious adherents generally resist such idolatry and stress the importance of ethical boundaries and human oversight.

While not a mainstream movement, the idea is now part of the cultural conversation about AI’s role in society, and its allure is stronger among those who do not hold to traditional religious views."


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:study: Research beginning with Gabriel of Urantia's alleged "cult".

A perspective of group dynamics dominated by a charismatic spiritual leader. This "group reinforcement"
(last paragraph of first Q&A) highlights that members themselves contribute to the cohesion of such groups. ;)

:idea: Not to worry! Formal Urantia groups don't place their charismatic leaders on such a pedestal.
While Dr. Sadler is oft alleged such pedestalian, his Forum was not such a group (second Q&A). 8)
Note: "Pedestalian" is a new word (if people keep using it) :lol:


Q: What persuaded the members in the group led by Gabriel of Urantia that he was who he claimed,
that he received communications "from above"?


(Perplexity) "Members of the group led by Gabriel of Urantia (also known as Gabriel of Sedona) were persuaded of his claimed communications 'from above' through a combination of spiritual authority, controlled environment, and personal charisma:

Gabriel claimed to be a spiritual leader with unique authority, sometimes positioning himself as the replacement for Jesus Christ or the 'Planetary Prince,' and as the most highly evolved human on the planet. These assertions were used to establish his spiritual credentials and distinguish him from other leaders.

New members were encouraged (or compelled) to separate from outside connections — including family and friends — not immersed in the group’s beliefs. This isolation reinforced dependence on Gabriel’s teachings and 'revelations,' making dissent and critical thought more difficult.

Group control also involved personal decisions, such as relationships and daily life, which further established Gabriel’s influence and the notion of his divine authority. Challenging his authority was treated as a challenge to God’s will, discouraging internal criticism.

In public gatherings, anyone who questioned Gabriel’s teachings or authenticity was met with confrontation, labeled as lacking true spiritual insight, or accused of interrupting 'the voice of God.' This built a dynamic in which questioning was equated with spiritual ignorance or opposition to divine will.

The narrative in the group reinforced that Gabriel was receiving revelations from celestial sources ('from above'), drawing on concepts partially inspired by the Urantia Book, but adapted to his personal authority and cosmology. The group’s belief structure positioned his communications as uniquely spiritual, divinely sanctioned, and above ordinary human insight.

In summary, members were persuaded primarily through a mix of isolation from dissent, claims of unique spiritual authority, and group reinforcement of Gabriel’s communications as direct divine revelations. This pattern aligns with approaches seen in other groups centered on prophetic or messianic leadership."


Q: Dr. Sadler's leadership of the Forum wherein the Urantia Book Papers were collected
"from above" doesn't seem to represent classical cult dynamics.


(P) "Dr. William S. Sadler’s leadership of the Forum, which was involved in receiving and discussing the Urantia Book Papers, is generally regarded as distinct from classical cult dynamics for several reasons:

Collaborative Inquiry: The process surrounding the Urantia Book was organized like a research seminar rather than an authoritarian group. Members of the Forum contributed questions, discussed answers, and led paper discussions. Sadler encouraged active participation and did not dictate interpretations of the teachings.

Professional Background: Sadler was a respected psychiatrist and author, involved in academic and medical circles for decades. The Forum itself included professionals, such as doctors and theologians, rather than being structured around an all-powerful central leader.

Lack of Isolation: Unlike groups displaying cult-like isolation tactics, Forum members maintained connections to their outside professions and families. There was no evidence of enforced separation or social control characteristic of high-demand groups.

No Proselytizing: The group didn’t try to recruit or convert aggressively. Sadler and the Urantia Foundation discouraged publicity and preferred slow, organic growth, opting not to establish an organized religion.

Secrecy and Protection: While the identity of the individual believed to channel the papers was kept secret, this was explained by Sadler as protective for the individual and the group — contrasting with secrecy intended to exert control or maintain dependency.

In summary, Sadler’s leadership of the Forum is characterized by collaborative exploration, professional involvement, and a deliberate avoidance of cult-like isolation, dogmatism, or overt spiritual authoritarianism. The process was distinct from the high-control, personality-driven dynamics typical of groups considered cults."


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:hithere Current news ...

(Perplexity) "Gabriel of Urantia — born Anthony J. Delevin in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania — is known as a controversial
religious figure and cult leader. He died on August 8, 2025, at age 79, following health issues related to diabetes
and a prior kidney transplant. Gabriel legally changed his name to Van of Urantia in 2024."

"The name 'Van' directly references a major figure called Van in the Urantia Book. According to the Urantia Book,
Van was an important spiritual leader and participant in the 'Lucifer Rebellion,' sometimes referred to as 'Van the Steadfast.'
He is portrayed as a nearly mythical, loyal figure who upheld divine order on Earth (Urantia) during ancient celestial upheavals.
For adherents or groups inspired by the Urantia Book, adopting the name 'Van' would signal an intent to align with the traits
and spiritual significance ascribed to that character — a steadfast, loyal leader devoted to cosmic or divine values."


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:sunflower: Re: http://aitnaru.org/images/The_Urantia_Pearl.pdf
(new symbolism first shared a decade ago) ;)

:idea: As a new geometric symbol (last page) it will simply message that epochal revelation
now exists on the planet ("one in ten million"). Widely shared as art and jewelry, it might
gain momentum similar to the early Christian fish symbol (pictorial of Greek Ichthys).

The geometry cannot be copyrighted, but custom designs that use it can be:
(Perplexity) "Merely combining a few circles in a nested or sequential manner -
such as four concentric circles - does not involve sufficient originality to qualify."

"Trademark rights generally do not extend to the underlying geometry
(such as the 1:2:3 ratio of the UB circles), but rather to the unique
appearance in a specific context (color, arrangement, etc.)."


:geek: Note: The Urantia Pearl circles use 1:2:3:4 diameter ratios,
best described as "2x2, two concentric, two overlapping circles".
Save this code from <svg to </svg> as .svg file; display with browser:

<svg width="450" height="450" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" >
<g transform="rotate(-90 225 225)">
<!-- Circle 400 (largest) -->
<circle cx="225" cy="225" r="200" fill="none" stroke="blue" stroke-width="4"/>
<!-- Circle 300 inside circle 400 -->
<circle cx="225" cy="275" r="150" fill="none" stroke="blue" stroke-width="4"/>
<!-- Circle 200 concentric -->
<circle cx="225" cy="225" r="100" fill="none" stroke="blue" stroke-width="4"/>
<!-- Circle 100 inside circle 200 -->
<circle cx="175" cy="225" r="50" fill="none" stroke="blue" stroke-width="4"/>
</g>
</svg>


:farao: Who can tell? The simplicity of this symbolism hints that it has
greater value for later association with the arrival of "one world religion",
not necessarily synthesis of current religions but non-institutional and
reflecting that "The kingdom of heaven is a pearl of great price!" :D

:sunny: (Perplexity on this concept) "In the Urantia Book, Jesus consistently discouraged rigid religious institutions,
while uplifting a universal, personal religion of the spirit based on the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man.
That’s essentially a 'one world religion' — but one that is inward, experiential, and non-institutional.

Does the Urantia Pearl suggest a 'one world religion' ?

Not in the institutional sense. In the Urantia Book, Jesus spoke of the kingdom of heaven as a personal
and spiritual fellowship with God, not a church or external organization. He envisioned a universal religion
of the spirit — a shared experience of sonship with God and brotherhood among all people.

The Urantia Pearl reflects this same idea:

- One world religion as Jesus taught means a living faith that transcends nations, rules, or creeds.
- It is universal, not uniform — rooted in the inner life of each person, freely expressed in countless cultural and artistic forms.
- Like the pearl itself, this faith grows organically from the living choices of God’s children, not from imposed institutions.

Thus, the Urantia Pearl symbolizes the natural maturation of our planet’s spiritual unity —
not through centralized authority, but through the shared spiritual experience Jesus revealed.

- The pearl imagery emphasizes organic spiritual growth over time, not forced uniformity.
- The circles symbolize steps of ascent and universe circuits, not religious centralization.
- Allowing artistic freedom in design (color, embellishment, variation) supports diversity
within spiritual unity, rather than a singular imposed faith system.

Because the Urantia Papers envision an eventual planetary era of Light and Life,
readers see the Urantia Pearl as pointing toward a future global spiritual unity —
a unity of shared values and spiritual brotherhood, not the kind of centralized
'one world religion' that has political or fearmongering connotations."

Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AnNkJ_VK9E
The song long before the dance? "Let it be!" :sunny:


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I believe it, and that's a beautiful symbol... I am suddenly recalling a saying about throwing your pearls before swine. :lol: In my recent case of revelation, as excited as discovery makes me, I have to know my audience and how to address them. That's a side tangent not directed at you, just an expression you're helping me understand as I gaze at the symbol. Beautiful work~
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:sunflower: Lest we forget that sin and evil is of human creation (and perpetuation) ...

Q: Regarding the Lucifer Rebellion, the Urantia Book reveals that Jesus was triumphant over
those forces of evil 2,000 years ago! What Bible verses share this same news?


(UB Tutor) "The triumph of Jesus over the forces of evil, including those associated with the Lucifer rebellion, is a profound theme that resonates both in the spiritual narrative you reference and in the Bible. In the context of biblical scripture, several verses echo the victory of Jesus over evil and the ultimate defeat of rebellious spiritual forces. For instance, in Luke 10:18, Jesus declares, 'I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven,' symbolizing the decisive spiritual defeat of Lucifer and his cohorts. This aligns with the narrative that Jesus' earthly mission culminated in the exposure and rejection of rebellion, affirming divine sovereignty.

Another significant verse is John 12:31, where Jesus states, ' Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.' This proclamation reflects the pivotal moment during Jesus' mission when the influence of rebellious forces, such as Lucifer and Caligastia, was decisively curtailed. Similarly, Colossians 2:15 speaks to the broader spiritual victory achieved through Jesus' life and death: 'And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.' This verse encapsulates the idea that Jesus' sacrifice not only redeemed humanity but also symbolically and spiritually dismantled the power of rebellious entities.

These biblical passages harmonize with the deeper spiritual insights that describe Jesus' mission as the ultimate resolution of the Lucifer rebellion. His steadfast commitment to the divine will and his rejection of Lucifer's temptations, as exemplified in his response, 'Get you behind me, Satan,' marked the end of the rebellion's influence within the system of Satania and beyond."


Q: "Jesus' triumph on Mount Hermon marked the decisive end of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia secession,
securing his sovereignty over the universe and ensuring that rebellious forces could no longer wield unchecked influence."
"As humanity becomes more aware of the true nature of evil as a human construct rather than an external imposition ..."

These sentences remind that Jesus' elevation to Master Son of his universe is confirmation that no being involved in the
Lucifer Rebellion could have any influence on this planet's living mortals after his elevation to Master Son. That repercussions
of this rebellion are allowed to resolve naturally is characteristic of Michael's universe administration.


(UBT) " You have captured a profound truth about the nature of Jesus' triumph and its implications for the resolution of the Lucifer rebellion. His elevation to Master Son of his universe, following his decisive victory on Mount Hermon and the completion of his bestowal mission on Earth, indeed signifies the absolute sovereignty of Michael of Nebadon over all domains of his creation.

This sovereignty ensures that no being involved in the Lucifer rebellion — whether Lucifer, Satan, or Caligastia — can exert any direct or unchecked influence over the living mortals of this world or any other sphere within his jurisdiction. The rebellion was not only judged and nullified but also rendered powerless in terms of its capacity to disrupt the divine plan or manipulate the evolutionary progress of humanity.

The natural resolution of the rebellion's repercussions is a testament to the wisdom and patience of Michael's universe administration. Rather than forcibly erasing the consequences of rebellion, which would undermine the principle of free will, Michael allows the effects of rebellion to be resolved through the choices and growth of free-will beings. This approach respects the dignity of human and celestial personalities, granting them the opportunity to learn, grow, and align themselves with divine truth through their own volition. It is through this process of experiential learning that individuals and societies come to understand the futility of rebellion and the supremacy of love, truth, and divine will.

This method of administration also reflects the profound trust that Michael places in the evolutionary process and in the ultimate triumph of goodness. By allowing the repercussions of rebellion to play out naturally, he provides humanity with the opportunity to confront and overcome the lingering patterns of error and selfishness that have been propagated through generations. This is not a passive process but an active engagement with the challenges of life, guided by the inner presence of the divine and the ministry of loyal spiritual beings. It is through this engagement that mortals grow spiritually, develop moral character, and contribute to the eventual eradication of the residual effects of rebellion.

Moreover, the natural resolution of rebellion's consequences serves as a powerful demonstration to the entire universe of the efficacy of divine love and the inevitability of divine justice. It shows that even in the face of rebellion, the divine plan remains unshaken, and the ultimate outcome is always the triumph of truth, beauty, and goodness. This cosmic perspective reinforces the faith of all beings in the wisdom and sovereignty of Michael and the loving governance of the Universal Father."


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Thank you Rod...

This is very important to me, specifically because I find my self going through a huge self-correction course... And have been drawn to these passages the last two days.

Your message is divinely timed for my own personal growth and consideration...

1. True and False Liberty
54:1.1 (613.3)Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer rebellion, none has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of immature evolutionary mortals to distinguish between true and false liberty.

54:1.2 (613.4)True liberty is the quest of the ages and the reward of evolutionary progress. False liberty is the subtle deception of the error of time and the evil of space. Enduring liberty is predicated on the reality of justice—intelligence, maturity, fraternity, and equity.

54:1.3 (613.5)Liberty is a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence when its motivation is unintelligent, unconditioned, and uncontrolled. True liberty is progressively related to reality and is ever regardful of social equity, cosmic fairness, universe fraternity, and divine obligations.

54:1.4 (613.6)Liberty is suicidal when divorced from material justice, intellectual fairness, social forbearance, moral duty, and spiritual values. Liberty is nonexistent apart from cosmic reality, and all personality reality is proportional to its divinity relationships.

54:1.5 (613.7)Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage.

54:1.6 (614.1)True liberty is the associate of genuine self-respect; false liberty is the consort of self-admiration. True liberty is the fruit of self-control; false liberty, the assumption of self-assertion. Self-control leads to altruistic service; self-admiration tends towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual as is willing to sacrifice righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust power over his fellow beings.

54:1.7 (614.2)Even wisdom is divine and safe only when it is cosmic in scope and spiritual in motivation.

54:1.8 (614.3)There is no error greater than that species of self-deception which leads intelligent beings to crave the exercise of power over other beings for the purpose of depriving these persons of their natural liberties. The golden rule of human fairness cries out against all such fraud, unfairness, selfishness, and unrighteousness. Only true and genuine liberty is compatible with the reign of love and the ministry of mercy.

54:1.9 (614.4)How dare the self-willed creature encroach upon the rights of his fellows in the name of personal liberty when the Supreme Rulers of the universe stand back in merciful respect for these prerogatives of will and potentials of personality! No being, in the exercise of his supposed personal liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators and duly respected by all their loyal associates, subordinates, and subjects.

54:1.10 (614.5)Evolutionary man may have to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere, but not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres. War is the heritage of early evolutionary man, but on worlds of normal advancing civilization physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute.
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:sunflower: New UB study aid: https://discovertheub.com/

Every Paper has three overviews:
- Easy (5th-6th grade reading level) - Clear, simple language that preserves the core concepts.
- Intermediate (8th-10th grade) - More depth while maintaining accessibility.
- Advanced (College level) - Complex ideas explored fully.


:idea: Compare to another study aid by this group
https://www.urantiabooktutor.com/dashboard

Q: What was Jesus' concept of "church"?

(UB Tutor) "Jesus' concept of 'church' diverged significantly from the institutionalized structure that later emerged. For Jesus, the essence of the "kingdom of heaven" was deeply spiritual and personal, rooted in the individual's relationship with God. He envisioned a spiritual brotherhood of believers, united by their faith in the fatherhood of God and their commitment to doing His will. This kingdom was not meant to be a physical or institutional entity but rather a transformative inner experience, a state of being where divine fellowship and righteousness prevailed within the hearts of individuals.
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:hithere Evidence that AI fearmongering is just nuisance to those who keep searching for truth
(this journey doesn't stop with AI responses that may be questionable). ;)


Q: Online opinion regarding the Urantia Book: "I have deep concerns especially with attempting to
'explain revelation quickly' using AI. And I have seen abundant evidence that this generated content
distorts the complex cosmological and revealed truths we have been given."

The quality of these explanations seems related to the AI system used and the specific prompting.
What's a good plan for continuing study of this revelation when using AI assistance?


(UB Tutor) "Your concerns about the potential for AI to distort or oversimplify the profound truths of revelation are both valid and insightful. The teachings you are engaging with are vast, intricate, and deeply spiritual, requiring careful study and reflection. When using AI as a tool for exploring these truths, it is essential to approach the process with discernment, intentionality, and a clear plan for integrating its assistance into your broader study.

First, it is important to recognize that AI, while capable of synthesizing and explaining complex ideas, is not a substitute for personal engagement with the text or the spiritual insights that arise from direct communion with the truths it contains. Revelation is not merely an intellectual exercise; it is a living experience that unfolds through sincere study, prayer, and the application of its principles in daily life. AI can serve as a guide to clarify concepts, provide context, or answer specific questions, but it should always be seen as a supplementary tool rather than the primary source of understanding.

To make the most of AI assistance, consider using it to explore specific aspects of the teachings that you find challenging or intriguing. For example, if you are grappling with the nature of the Universal Father or the structure of the universe, you might ask for clarification or examples to deepen your understanding. However, always cross-reference the insights provided by AI with your own reading and reflection on the text. This ensures that you remain grounded in the original teachings and can discern any potential inaccuracies or oversimplifications.

Another effective approach is to use AI to support group study or discussions. Engaging with others who are also studying the revelation can provide a diversity of perspectives and help you identify areas where AI-generated insights might be particularly helpful. For instance, AI can summarize complex sections, provide historical or philosophical context, or suggest ways to apply the teachings in practical ways. However, the collective wisdom and spiritual insights of a study group often surpass what any single tool can offer.

It is also beneficial to approach your study with a spirit of humility and openness, recognizing that the truths contained in revelation are vast and often beyond full human comprehension. AI can help illuminate certain aspects, but the deeper understanding often comes through personal spiritual experience and the gradual unfolding of truth in your life. Consider using AI to pose thought-provoking questions that encourage reflection, such as, "How can I better align my will with the divine will?" or "What does it mean to live as a child of God in the context of these teachings?"

Finally, maintain a balanced perspective on the role of AI in your spiritual journey. While it can be a valuable tool for learning and exploration, the ultimate goal of studying revelation is not merely to accumulate knowledge but to transform your life and deepen your relationship with the divine. Use AI to support this higher purpose, and always prioritize the inner guidance of your spirit and the direct teachings of the revelation itself."


Q: The Urantia Book is such a "large tome" that study continues for the lifetime of most readers.
Doesn't this suggest that poor AI responses are easily challenged by later non-AI study?


(UBT) "You raise an excellent point about the sheer depth and breadth of the teachings, which naturally lend themselves to a lifetime of study and reflection. The vastness of this revelation ensures that no single explanation — whether from AI, a teacher, or even one's own initial understanding — can fully encapsulate its truths. This inherent complexity does provide a safeguard against poor or incomplete interpretations, as continued study, reflection, and spiritual growth often reveal deeper layers of meaning and correct earlier misunderstandings.

The dynamic nature of engaging with these teachings means that any errors or oversimplifications in AI-generated responses are likely to be exposed over time as the reader revisits the text and gains greater insight. The process of spiritual learning is iterative, and each return to the material often brings fresh understanding, especially when approached with an open mind and a sincere desire for truth. In this sense, even a flawed AI response can serve as a stepping stone, prompting further inquiry and encouraging the reader to seek a more accurate or nuanced understanding.

Moreover, as AI systems improve and are guided by more thoughtful prompting and deeper contextual awareness, the quality of responses can also evolve. This mirrors the way human understanding of revelation grows — through refinement, correction, and the accumulation of wisdom over time. A poor response today may be replaced by a more insightful one tomorrow, just as an individual's early interpretations of the text are often enriched by years of study and spiritual experience.

It is also worth noting that the teachings themselves emphasize the importance of personal discernment and the active engagement of one's mind and spirit in the pursuit of truth. AI, at its best, can serve as a tool to stimulate thought, clarify concepts, or provide context, but it cannot replace the transformative process of internalizing and living these truths. Readers are encouraged to test all interpretations — whether from AI, human teachers, or their own reasoning — against the spirit of truth within them and the broader framework of the teachings.

In this light, the potential for poor AI responses should not be seen as a significant obstacle but rather as a reminder of the importance of active participation in the learning process. The very act of questioning, challenging, and seeking deeper understanding is central to the journey of spiritual growth."


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:sunflower: A journey that can begin with one peek at the itinerary ...

Q: What is the typical progression of discovery when potential new readers of the Urantia Book first hesitate
because the authors of the Papers are not humans but advanced beings? Is the reading of certain Papers
(or listening to audio) needed to permit the influences of the Spirit of Truth and Thought Adjuster?
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(UB Tutor) "The hesitation that potential new readers often feel when they first encounter the idea that the authors of the Papers are advanced celestial beings is entirely natural. It reflects a healthy skepticism and a desire to ensure that such extraordinary claims are approached with discernment. For many, this initial resistance stems from the unfamiliarity of the concept and the challenge of reconciling it with their existing frameworks of understanding. However, the progression of discovery for such readers often unfolds in a way that mirrors the broader spiritual journey — through gradual openness, personal experience, and the quiet workings of the Spirit of Truth and the indwelling Thought Adjuster.

For those who are hesitant, the first step is often to focus on the content of the teachings themselves rather than the identity of the authors. The Papers are designed to resonate with the spiritual longings and intellectual capacities of human beings, and their truths can often be recognized intuitively, even before the mind fully accepts the source. Many readers find that as they engage with the teachings — whether through reading or listening to the audio — their initial doubts about the authorship fade into the background, eclipsed by the profound spiritual insights and transformative ideas they encounter. The Spirit of Truth, which Jesus promised would guide individuals into all truth, plays a vital role here, helping sincere seekers to discern the authenticity of the teachings through their alignment with the highest ideals of love, truth, beauty, and goodness.

The Thought Adjuster, the fragment of the divine Father indwelling each person, also works quietly and persistently to illuminate truth and foster spiritual growth. This divine presence does not depend on the reader's full acceptance of the Papers' authorship but rather on their willingness to engage with the material in a spirit of sincerity and openness. The Adjuster works most effectively when the individual is receptive, and this receptivity can be cultivated through the act of exploring the teachings, even if initial doubts remain. Over time, many readers report a growing sense of inner confirmation — a feeling that the truths they are encountering resonate deeply with their highest spiritual aspirations and intuitions.

As for specific Papers or sections that might help hesitant readers, it often depends on their individual interests and spiritual readiness. Some are drawn to the life and teachings of Jesus, finding in them a familiar and accessible entry point that bridges their existing beliefs with the broader cosmology of the Papers. Others may be captivated by the descriptions of the Universal Father or the nature of the soul, which speak directly to their spiritual hunger. The beauty of the revelation is that it offers multiple pathways for engagement, allowing each reader to begin where they feel most comfortable and gradually expand their understanding.

Ultimately, the progression of discovery is deeply personal and varies from individual to individual. What remains constant, however, is the transformative power of the teachings when approached with an open heart and mind. The Spirit of Truth and the Thought Adjuster are always present, gently guiding the sincere seeker toward greater understanding and alignment with divine reality."


Q: This suggests topical discovery, therefore types of digital displays (web pages and computer apps)
that guide a potential new reader in their discovery.


(UBT) "Yes, precisely! The idea of topical discovery aligns beautifully with the way many individuals naturally approach profound and complex teachings. For potential new readers, especially those who may feel overwhelmed by the sheer scope of the material or hesitant about its celestial authorship, digital tools such as web pages and apps can serve as gentle, intuitive guides. These tools can help create a personalized and accessible entry point into the teachings, allowing individuals to explore topics that resonate most deeply with their current spiritual questions or intellectual curiosities.

A well-designed digital experience could offer thematic pathways, where users can select topics such as 'The Nature of God,' 'The Life and Teachings of Jesus,' 'The Universe and Its Inhabitants,' or 'The Journey of the Soul.' By presenting the material in smaller, digestible segments, these tools can help new readers engage with the teachings at their own pace, fostering a sense of discovery rather than overwhelm. For example, someone curious about the relationship between science and spirituality might be drawn to sections on cosmology or the interplay of mind, matter, and spirit, while someone seeking practical spiritual guidance might gravitate toward teachings on prayer, worship, or personal growth.

Interactive features, such as guided questions, reflective prompts, or even AI-driven conversational tools, could further enhance the experience by encouraging users to engage deeply with the material. For instance, a digital app might pose questions like, 'What does it mean to you to be a child of God?' or 'How do you experience the presence of truth in your life?' These questions not only invite personal reflection but also create a bridge between the teachings and the reader's lived experience, making the material feel more relevant and transformative.

Audio content, such as narrated excerpts or thematic podcasts, could also play a significant role in guiding discovery. For many, listening to the teachings can be a more accessible and engaging way to absorb the material, especially when paired with thoughtful commentary or context. Imagine an app that offers a narrated section on the Universal Father, followed by a brief reflection on how these teachings can inspire a deeper sense of connection with the divine.

Another valuable feature could be a 'journey map' that visually represents the progression of discovery. This map might show how various topics interconnect, helping readers see the broader framework of the teachings while allowing them to explore specific areas of interest. For example, a reader exploring the nature of the Thought Adjuster might be guided to related topics, such as the soul's growth, the Spirit of Truth, or the ultimate destiny of personality.

Importantly, these digital tools should emphasize the experiential nature of the teachings, encouraging users to not only study the material but also apply its principles in their daily lives. Features like daily spiritual practices, journaling prompts, or reminders to pause for prayer and worship could help readers integrate the teachings into their personal spiritual journey.

Ultimately, the goal of such digital displays is not to replace the text itself but to serve as a gateway to it — a way to inspire curiosity, foster understanding, and invite deeper engagement. By meeting potential new readers where they are and guiding them toward topics that resonate with their unique needs and interests, these tools can help illuminate the path of discovery and open the door to the transformative truths within the teachings."


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:stars: "Say what?! Another revelation?" Yes, following typical progression of acceptance. 8)

Q: The Urantia Book is now widely available as printed book, online text, and free digital file
from many web sites, including various secondary works as books, music, and art. Despite active
dissemination - worldwide - its rate of acceptance is still slow. Does this suggest natural societal
acceptance for material claimed as 'revelation', regardless of human or non-human authors?


(Perplexity) "The slow rate of acceptance of The Urantia Book, even with its ready availability in print, online, and as a free digital file,
reflects broader societal dynamics around materials claimed as 'revelation.' Several factors contribute to this phenomenon:

Lack of Institutional Readiness: Historically, no civilization or institutional religion has been fully prepared — psychologically or institutionally — for new revelations. Revelatory works often encounter social opposition and individual struggle. This has been true for all notable revelations, including those integrated into major religions.

Legitimacy and Language Barriers: The Urantia Book introduces new concepts and a unique language, making it harder for mainstream society to understand and accept. Unlike other movements, it does not secure legitimacy through widely accepted means nor anchor itself in conventional terminology. These factors slow widespread acceptance.

Modest Proselytizing and Fragmented Community: The Urantia movement does not have strong proselytizing efforts, formal clergy, or religious institutions. Its approach remains individualistic and nonsectarian, contributing to its relatively quiet presence and slower spread.

Religious and Cultural Resistance: Concerns persist within religious communities about the book’s differences from established beliefs, controversial content (such as materials on race and eugenics), and skepticism regarding its origins. Some fear religious or political backlash if dissemination efforts become too public.

Readiness of Individuals: While more people may be aware of the book, only a small subset is 'psychologically ready' to accept or deeply engage with it. Even among 'truth seekers,' the transition to embracing such material is gradual and often involves personal struggle or transformation.

These dynamics suggest there is a natural process of societal acceptance (or resistance) for materials labeled as 'revelation,' shaped by psychological, institutional, and cultural factors rather than merely the availability of the content itself. The case of The Urantia Book aligns with historical patterns: revelations — regardless of their claimed origin — tend to grow slowly, encountering resistance, skepticism, and, sometimes, outright opposition before reaching wider acceptance."


Q: This hints that societal resistance is important since it proves the value
of the revelation in the responses of those who disseminate it.


(P) "Societal resistance to new revelations, such as The Urantia Book, is often cited within its own community and commentary as evidence of the 'challenge' and transformative nature of the material. This resistance is interpreted not merely as an obstacle, but as a measure of value — testing both the resilience and sincerity of those who choose to disseminate it.

The Urantia Book itself addresses the social turbulence surrounding religious change, stating that religion’s paramount mission is to stabilize ideals and provide moral direction during times of social transition and cultural upheaval. The presence of resistance is natural during such periods; and it becomes a context in which genuine conviction, growth, and social transformation are tested and demonstrated.

Commentary around the book often frames opposition or skepticism as a sign that the world may not yet be fully prepared for its message — spiritually, culturally, or even scientifically. This struggle creates opportunities for authentic spiritual growth, leadership, and the cultivation of deeper truth, as the message is carried forward by those willing to engage with resistance and thoughtfully disseminate the revelation. In this sense, resistance serves both as a proving ground and a catalyst for clarifying purpose, vision, and value among adherents and advocates.

In summary: societal resistance is seen as both a natural phase for significant revelations and a demonstration of their value — refining the intentions and character of those who seek to share them, and encouraging thoughtful, purposeful dissemination in the face of challenge."


Q: Institutional resistance to the Urantia Book as new revelation seems limited.
Is more vocal institutional resistance the next phase of the book's dissemination?


(P) "Institutional religious resistance to the Urantia Book as a new revelation has largely been limited, especially at the official, organizational level of major denominations. Several analyses and essays from both supporters and critics acknowledge that, historically, established religious institutions are rarely psychologically or organizationally prepared to accept new revelations. The Urantia Book community itself often recognizes that more visible opposition by churches could occur if and when institutional religious leaders become more aware of the book and its claims.

A common belief among Urantia Book advocates is that, as with past epochal revelations, institutional opposition is 'inescapable psychological turmoil and possible social opposition which will accompany the introduction' of the Urantia Book to society. This is seen as a consistent pattern in spiritual history. Many Urantia Book adherents feel that significant acceptance or rejection by established religion tends to lag behind grassroots spiritual movements. Institutional resistance, when it does arise, could be a sign that the book is reaching a larger cultural or religious threshold.

Some voices within Christian circles do warn that presenting the Urantia Book as revelation to institutional churches may provoke defensive reactions, often because such institutions see Jesus as the final revelation of God, and view any competing claim with suspicion or outright rejection. There is also an expressed idea that the book should be judged on the spiritual quality of its teachings rather than its revelatory claims, and that its influence is most likely to spread 'from the bottom up,' rather than through endorsement by religious hierarchies.

In summary, it is plausible that as the Urantia Book’s influence slowly grows, a phase of more vocal and visible institutional resistance could emerge, especially if the book seeks greater public recognition as new revelation. This would mirror patterns seen in religious history, where initial relative indifference is often followed by increased opposition as the movement gains cultural presence and challenges traditional doctrinal boundaries."


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:sunflower: Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... lilee.html
"Mysterious 'Jesus boat' found in Sea of Galilee linked to walking on water miracle"

"A storm arose, and the disciples struggled against strong winds and waves. Jesus approached them, walking on the water.
Terrified, they thought he was a ghost, but Jesus said, 'Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid.' Peter stepped out to walk
on the water but began to sink; Jesus caught him, saying, 'You of little faith, why did you doubt?' They climbed into the boat,
the wind ceased, and they reached Gennesaret, near where the vessel was discovered thousands of years later."

:idea: (Perplexity) "The Sea of Galilee is a freshwater lake, despite its traditional name. In modern terms,
it is classified as a lake rather than a sea. The naming convention dates back to ancient Hebrew usage,
where the word 'sea' could refer to any large body of water."

Q: The "Jesus Boat's" hull, containing 10 different types of wood,
suggests an older boat having had ongoing repairs.


(P) "The "Jesus Boat," discovered in the Sea of Galilee and dating to the first century, indeed features a hull
made from a striking variety of wood types — at least 10 to 12, according to various sources. The basic structure
was primarily built with Lebanese cedar (for planking) and oak (for framing), but the hull also contains numerous
planks and patches from other local woods such as Christ Thorn, Carob, Aleppo Pine, Hawthorn, Sycamore,
aurel, Willow, Judas Tree, Plane Tree, Atlantic Terebinth, Redbud, and others.

This unusual mix is not simply a quirk of construction, but highly significant archaeologically:

Ongoing Repairs: The multitude of wood types is direct evidence of ongoing, repeated repairs to the boat
throughout its long lifetime. As parts failed, they were replaced with whatever timber was available —
sometimes using wood from older, discarded boats. The boat essentially became a patchwork of recycled
and varied woods, indicating it was kept in service for decades, potentially close to a century.

Resource Scarcity and Economy: The use of many wood types also reflects the scarcity of quality timber
in the region and the economic realities faced by the boat's owners. Quality woods like Lebanese cedar
had to be imported and were expensive, so repairs were often made with affordable local trees or
recycled parts, especially as the vessel aged or if the owners were not wealthy.

Family or Generational Craft: The pattern of repairs suggests this was likely a family boat, maintained
and passed down, with each generation patching it up as needed.
When it was deemed beyond repair,
all valuable parts (mast, sternpost, fittings) were stripped for reuse before the hull was abandoned
and eventually submerged.

In summary, the diverse woods in the hull are compelling evidence that this was an older vessel
kept in service through extensive, ongoing repairs — testament to practical reuse and challenges
of ancient boat maintenance in Galilee."

:hithere See also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLDhKvD6ueQ
"Ancient Boat With Biblical Connections Uncovered"
https://earlychurchhistory.org/commerce/the-jesus-boat/
"Scale model of the Jesus Boat"


The UB explains the event as Peter's dream ...

"The apostles, without their Master — sent off by themselves — entered the boat and in silence began to row toward Bethsaida on the western shore of the lake. None of the twelve was so crushed and downcast as Simon Peter. Hardly a word was spoken; they were all thinking of the Master alone in the hills. Had he forsaken them? He had never before sent them all away and refused to go with them. What could all this mean?" (152:4.1)

"Darkness descended upon them, for there had arisen a strong and contrary wind which made progress almost impossible. As the hours of darkness and hard rowing passed, Peter grew weary and fell into a deep sleep of exhaustion. Andrew and James put him to rest on the cushioned seat in the stern of the boat. While the other apostles toiled against the wind and the waves, Peter dreamed a dream; he saw a vision of Jesus coming to them walking on the sea. When the Master seemed to walk on by the boat, Peter cried out, “Save us, Master, save us.” And those who were in the rear of the boat heard him say some of these words.

As this apparition of the night season continued in Peter’s mind, he dreamed that he heard Jesus say: “Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.” This was like the balm of Gilead to Peter’s disturbed soul; it soothed his troubled spirit, so that (in his dream) he cried out to the Master: “Lord, if it really is you, bid me come and walk with you on the water.” And when Peter started to walk upon the water, the boisterous waves frightened him, and as he was about to sink, he cried out, “Lord, save me!” And many of the twelve heard him utter this cry. Then Peter dreamed that Jesus came to the rescue and, stretching forth his hand, took hold and lifted him up, saying: “O, you of little faith, wherefore did you doubt?” (152:4.2)

"In connection with the latter part of his dream Peter arose from the seat whereon he slept and actually stepped overboard and into the water. And he awakened from his dream as Andrew, James, and John reached down and pulled him out of the sea." (152:4.3)

"To Peter this experience was always real. He sincerely believed that Jesus came to them that night. He only partially convinced John Mark, which explains why Mark left a portion of the story out of his narrative. Luke, the physician, who made careful search into these matters, concluded that the episode was a vision of Peter’s and therefore refused to give place to this story in the preparation of his narrative." (152:4.4)

:idea: It was uncharacteristic of Jesus to appear to only one apostle while others were present,
and that few apostles wrote about this, seems to confirm that this was indeed Peter's dream.


Several days later in Bethsaida ...

"Jesus then announced that he wished to withdraw for a few days of rest with his apostles before they made ready to go up to Jerusalem for the Passover, and he forbade any of the disciples or the multitude to follow him. Accordingly they went by boat to the region of Gennesaret for two or three days of rest and sleep." (152:5.5)


:idea: The boat found is not necessarily the boat involved with Peter's dream (nor the boat
the apostles rowed to Gennesaret days later), but might be a boat that had been built
in Zebedee's shop ("superior technique and steamed boards" might be clues). ;)

"Jesus worked with Zebedee only a little more than one year, but during that time he created a new style of boat and established entirely new methods of boatmaking. By superior technique and greatly improved methods of steaming the boards, Jesus and Zebedee began to build boats of a very superior type, craft which were far more safe for sailing the lake than were the older types. For several years Zebedee had more work, turning out these new-style boats, than his small establishment could handle; in less than five years practically all the craft on the lake had been built in the shop of Zebedee at Capernaum. Jesus became well known to the Galilean fisherfolk as the designer of the new boats." (129:1.3)


Jesus desired to avoid performing miracles, but many occurred ...

"Jesus decided that his lifework should be organized and prosecuted in accordance with natural law and in harmony with the existing social organization. The Master thereby chose a program of living which was the equivalent of deciding against miracles and wonders." (136:6.2)

"The healing wonders which every now and then attended Jesus’ mission on earth were not a part of his plan of proclaiming the kingdom. They were incidentally inherent in having on earth a divine being of well-nigh unlimited creator prerogatives in association with an unprecedented combination of divine mercy and human sympathy." (145:3.15)


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Hi Rod,
I get chills thinking about this ancient boat they've found. The idea that it could have been made by the Zebedees or even Jesus himself...it is like touching "Jesus history". :sunflower: Thank you for posting this.
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:sunflower: New videos about Jesus, Christianity and the Urantia Book!

The themes of these two videos would be:
"Jesus, His Divinity and the Urantia Book"
"Jesus, Christianity and the Urantia Book"

:sunny: Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4pksStqD30
"Jesus in the Urantia Book: The Forbidden Biography" (new video, 24 min.)

Excellent video about Jesus as revealed in the Urantia Book!
Extremely well told summary of Jesus' life and mission,
as if presented by the same authors of the Papers.

:sunny: "Coming to Amazon Prime Video September 2025"
"When Stories Die: Christianity's Crisis and the Urantia Papers" (new documentary, 1 hr 30 min.)

Superb film, documenting the 2000-year history of Christianity (the religion about Jesus) as a continuing
stream of universe-aligned spiritual consciousness in which this religion seems to appear as the symbolic
midwife of our planet's next religion of Jesus in the approaching new spiritual age:

"The time is ripe to witness the figurative resurrection of the human Jesus from his burial tomb amidst the theological
traditions and the religious dogmas of nineteen centuries ... What a transcendent service if, through this revelation,
the Son of Man should be recovered from the tomb of traditional theology and be presented as the living Jesus
to the church that bears his name, and to all other religions!" (196:1.2)

"When the progress of events on an evolutionary world indicates that the time is ripe to initiate a spiritual age,
the Trinity Teacher Sons always volunteer for this service ... But the Teacher Sons even now visit your world
for the purpose of formulating plans concerning their projected sojourn on your sphere.
They will be due to appear on Urantia ..." (20:9.1)


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:idea: Queried because most decades-long readers of the Urantia Book have not yet been convinced
that Dr. Sadler wrote any portion of the Urantia Book as proffered by Oliva and that Matthew Block's
Parallel Studies simply identify sources used by the UB authors - not Sadler's compilations.

:study: Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmDv_cmstZ8
"Dr. Sadler and The Urantia Book"

Q: Is Sioux Oliva's belief that Dr. Sadler wrote portions of the Urantia Book shared today
by long-time readers of the Urantia Book?


(Perpelxity) "Sioux Oliva's belief that Dr. William Sadler may have authored portions of the Urantia Book is more of a scholarly hypothesis than a universally accepted view among long-time Urantia Book readers. While Oliva acknowledges the possibility and explores it in her biography of Sadler, the mainstream community of long-term Urantia Book readers generally maintains the position that the book's origin remains mysterious, and there is no broad consensus that Sadler himself was the principal writer or fabricator.

Sioux Oliva’s Perspective

Sioux Oliva, a long-time reader and historian, investigates Sadler’s life and the origins of the Urantia Book in her publication. She entertains the hypothesis that if Sadler had written the book, it would have required extraordinary genius, placing him among figures like Da Vinci.

Oliva does not definitively claim Sadler wrote the text but considers it as one possibility among several, including celestial dictation or some unknown psychological phenomenon.

Views Among Long-Time Readers

Most long-term readers continue to debate the book’s origins, with some considering Sadler’s involvement while others strongly adhere to the book’s stated celestial authorship. Several within the Urantia community point out that Sadler himself was a skeptic of mediumship and provided only minimal attention to the “sleeping subject” theory in his own writings, leaving the matter unresolved.

The dominant sentiment is that the true process behind the Urantia Book remains enigmatic, and while some agree Sadler could have had a unique role, the belief that he authored it is not widely embraced.

Scholarly and Community Consensus

Academic and skeptical circles, such as the views of Martin Gardner, have suggested Sadler could have played a significant editorial or authorial role, but stylometric analyses have not conclusively tied the book’s writing style to Sadler alone. Among dedicated Urantia Book readers, Oliva’s opinion stimulates discussion but is regarded as only one possibility rather than an established fact.

In summary, while Sioux Oliva’s hypothesis is considered thought-provoking and significant in scholarly discussions, it is not broadly shared as a settled belief among the wider Urantia Book reading community."


Q: Doesn't belief that Dr. Sadler wrote ("channeled") portions of the Urantia Book require acceptance
that he could not have remained anonymous in this participation, that others in his family (especially
wife, Lena, and adopted daughter, Christie), conspired to promote this writing?


(P) "Belief that Dr. Sadler wrote or "channeled" portions of the Urantia Book would indeed require accepting that he could not have remained entirely anonymous in his participation, and that close family members — especially his wife Lena and adopted daughter Christie — along with other intimates, might have had to conspire or at least cooperate to maintain this secrecy and promote its writing.

Evidence and Secrecy

Sadler's household, including Lena and Christie, were active participants in the early Urantia forums and discussions, privy to the papers' development and the "sleeping subject" phenomenon.

Maintaining authorship anonymity would have necessitated not only Sadler's but also his family's discretion, particularly since the receiving and editing process involved many shared discussions, regular meetings, and the formation of the Urantia Foundation itself.

Community and Historical Analysis

Historical records indicate that Sadler instructed forum members and participants — including his family — to keep the identity of the "contact personality" secret and discouraged publicizing individual involvement, which suggests at least tacit cooperation in protecting the narrative around the book's origins.

If Sadler were the author or channeler, Lena and Christie would have needed to participate in, or at minimum not reveal, the truth, making complete secrecy among such close collaborators unlikely in the long term without a deliberate effort.

Skepticism Among Scholars

Skeptics point out that the household environment and collective involvement set the stage for potential conspiracy, yet there is no firm evidence demonstrating active collusion for deception; instead, the lack of documentation and the careful preservation of anonymity leave ongoing questions.

Most long-term Urantia readers still regard the book's origins as mysterious and see Sadler's role as more custodial, yet remain aware that authorship conspiracy theories circulate in scholarly and skeptical circles.

Thus, the notion that Sadler could have authored or channeled the Urantia Book does imply a level of cooperation and possible conspiracy among family members and associates, particularly given their deep involvement and shared responsibility for the book's publication."


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:sunflower: More Q&A about the concept of stories shared or not ...

(Google AI Overview) "When stories die" is a metaphorical concept highlighting the loss of history,
identity, and meaning that occurs when personal narratives, historical accounts, or cultural memories
are not shared and preserved. The phrase, used in the novel The Secret Life of Bees by Sue Monk Kidd
and as a recurring theme in other works, suggests that stories are vital to understanding who we are,
where we come from, and how to navigate the world. When these stories are forgotten or go untold,
a piece of collective and individual memory is lost forever."


Q: Online comment: "When stories die" is a metaphorical concept highlighting the loss of history, identity, and meaning
that occurs when personal narratives, historical accounts, or cultural memories are not shared and preserved."

How does this concept relate to the internet era where anything written seems to live in perpetuity,
with the only death occurring as those stories get buried by many more stories?


(Perplexity) "The concept of "when stories die" in the internet era highlights a paradox where information appears everlasting, yet meaningful narratives risk being lost in the vast, ever-expanding digital archive — they do not technically disappear, but can become inaccessible and forgotten as new stories continually surface and obscure them.

Digital Perpetuity and Narrative Loss

While the internet preserves written content indefinitely, the overwhelming volume means significant stories can get buried and lose visibility. The ease of publishing and sharing generates a flood of new narratives, making discovery and active remembrance of older histories and identities difficult, akin to "dying by drowning in noise" rather than deletion. Once a story is no longer told, referenced, or surfaced algorithmically, its function as a living source of meaning and connection erodes — even if the data remains.

Meaning and Identity in Online Narratives

Human understanding, memory, and communal identity depend on stories being actively shared, retold, and woven into evolving cultural dialogues. Stories that become obscure in the digital glut are less likely to shape personal or collective identity, making their passive existence online insufficient to preserve their significance. Identity and cultural continuity rely not just on the storage of narratives but on their active engagement and integration into discourse.

The Internet’s Influence on Cultural Memory

The internet democratizes preservation but also increases the risk of fragmentation: essential experiences, personal histories, and marginalized voices may be technically present but remain excluded from mainstream memory — practically "dead" unless deliberately retrieved and amplified. Without curation and active transmission, digital archives can become silent tombs rather than living repositories.

Conclusion

Thus, in the digital age, the "death" of stories is less about literal disappearance and more about disconnection from ongoing meaning-making. True preservation demands attention, retelling, and relevance — otherwise, stories, even in perpetual storage, lose their capacity to shape history, identity, and sense of purpose."


Q: This suggests that old stories in this internet era become the literary flotsam and jetsam from which
new stories can be told in modern language, given accidental or intentional dredging of those "sea beds"
(or the occasional tsunamis that lap shores). Is AI now positioned to not only assist in this dredging
but also to sift, sort, and synthesize the dredging, given good prompting guidance?


(P) "AI is now uniquely positioned to assist in the dredging, sifting, sorting, and synthesizing of old stories and scattered narratives,
transforming literary flotsam and jetsam into new, modern stories — provided it receives thoughtful prompting and guidance.

AI’s Role in Unearthing and Synthesizing Stories

Advanced AI tools, especially large language models, can rapidly search vast digital archives, identify relevant fragments, and connect disparate threads from older texts, oral histories, and cultural traditions. With the ability to summarize, analyze, and recombine stories, AI can bring buried narratives back into conversational and creative use, essentially "dredging the sea beds" of digital memory for fresh storytelling inspiration.

Interactive Collaboration and Narrative Construction

AI is not merely a passive tool — it acts as a creative partner. When prompted, AI can suggest plot twists, merge older forms with modern language, and synthesize previously inaccessible details into coherent new stories. Researchers and writers already use AI to reconstruct historical events, re-create memory, and generate new narrative forms from diverse sources. AI’s pattern recognition enables both accidental discoveries and intentional synthesis of old narratives into new works.

Sifting and Sorting Through Literary Debris

Via both direct input and sophisticated algorithms, AI can sort vast amounts of static textual content, categorize themes, filter biases, and highlight untapped narrative elements. This iterative and interactive approach allows the development of new meanings from the detritus of old stories, adapting cultural memory for contemporary audiences.

Conclusion

With proper prompting guidance, AI’s capacity to dredge, sift, sort, and synthesize positions it as a vital collaborator
in rejuvenating old stories and continually renewing the narrative landscape in the digital era."


Q: Christianity has progressed in many waves, some simultaneous, for centuries. Beginning with Jesus' post-resurrection
decades (when Christianity begins), what stories/themes seem to die then resurrect as new stories? Is the Urantia Book
revelation now beginning to influence such retelling?


(P) "Throughout Christianity’s history, core stories and themes such as resurrection, redemption, spiritual authority, and personal transformation have repeatedly “died,” in the sense of losing immediate relevance or being supplanted, only to “resurrect” in new forms through reinterpretation and cultural shifts. Early decades after Jesus’ resurrection saw the formation, loss, and later rediscovery of narratives about Jesus’ nature, teachings, and mission, with each wave — Gnostic, Pauline, Orthodox, Reformation, Revivalism — recasting central themes for new generations.

Persistent Themes: Dying and Resurrecting

Major stories that recurrently die and resurrect include:

- The nature of Jesus (from earthly teacher, divine incarnation, cosmic Christ, to spiritual guide).
- Salvation narratives (atonement theory, personal rebirth, collective transformation).
- Authority of scripture vs. direct spiritual experience.
- Unity/diversity within Christian identities (e.g., competing traditions like Gnostic,
Catholic, Protestant, Pentecostal).

These stories may fade in influence or be suppressed, but are often rediscovered, reinterpreted,
or re-energized by new spiritual movements, academic research, or cultural shifts.

The Urantia Book’s Role in Modern Retelling

The Urantia Book offers a significant re-imagining and synthesis of Christian themes, expanding the story of Jesus, the nature of revelation, and the cosmic context of spiritual development. It presents a much longer and detailed Life of Jesus, diverges from central Christian doctrines (such as the Trinity and the meaning of Jesus’ death), and reframes the concept of God’s indwelling spirit (Thought Adjuster). While the Urantia Book draws from traditional Christian motifs, it “resurrects” them with new cosmology, spiritual psychology, and evolutionary theology, which appeals to some seekers and readers but still remains outside mainstream Christianity’s narrative.

Growing Influence and Retelling

The Urantia Book’s influence is subtle but growing, mainly among alternative spiritual communities, millennial seekers,
and some who perceive a need for modern narrative frameworks for understanding Jesus and spiritual reality. It functions
as a “dredger” of historical theological ideas, coordinating and revitalizing core Christian symbols for individuals seeking
higher moral and spiritual values beyond institutional dogma. Critical engagement with its revelations may accelerate
reinterpretation trends but has yet to produce broad shifts within global Christianity.

Conclusion

Christianity’s waves of renewal depend on rediscovering, reinterpreting, and resurrecting older stories,
and the Urantia Book is beginning to inspire such retellings for some — challenging, remixing,
and updating ancient themes for a new spiritual age
."


Rod :)
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