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Hi Rod,
Thank you for sharing your AI question concerning volcanoes and population density. You have to admit too that most of these dormant volcanoes are strikingly beautiful. We recently watched the movie, "Dante's Peak". I was struck by how beautiful the mountain/volcano was and how devastated it was after the eruption... sort of reminded me of the real-life Mount Saint Helens. :(
Still with devastation, the earth is renewed.
"Such a life on such a planet!" (UB, 111:7.5) ;)
sigh...Is it wrong to be jealous of the Havona natives? :? :) (Havona, the perfect universe close to Paradise. ;) )
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:hithere The ongoing problem is the term that can't shake (or is not allowed to shake) its controversial history.
Perplexity likes these three terms suggested! If used whenever eugenics is discussed, the controversial
"eugenics" should quickly become "So last century!" :D


Q: Are these (or related) terms possible substitutes?
"Proactive Wellness", "Personal Trait Choice", "Genetic Wellness"


(P) "Absolutely! The terms you’ve suggested - “Proactive Wellness,” “Personal Trait Choice,” and “Genetic Wellness” -
are all plausible substitutes or rebrandings for society’s ongoing interest in enhancing human traits. Here’s how they fit:

1. Proactive Wellness


Meaning: Implies taking active, preventive steps to optimize health and well-being, potentially including genetic or technological interventions.

Connotation: Positive, holistic, and future-oriented. Emphasizes agency and self-care rather than coercion.

Current Usage: Already used in health and wellness industries, though not always tied to genetics or trait enhancement.
Could easily be expanded to include these ideas.

2. Personal Trait Choice

Meaning: Suggests individuals or parents making conscious decisions about which traits to select or enhance, especially in reproductive contexts.

Connotation: Strongly emphasizes autonomy, choice, and personalization. Avoids historical baggage of "eugenics" by focusing on individual rights rather than societal mandates.

Potential Use: Could be used in discussions of reproductive technology, embryo selection, or gene editing.

3. Genetic Wellness


Meaning: Focuses on optimizing health and well-being through understanding and potentially modifying one’s genetic makeup.

Connotation: Medicalized, scientific, and health-focused. Avoids the negative history of eugenics while still addressing genetic improvement.

Current Usage: Already emerging in the context of direct-to-consumer genetic testing and personalized medicine.

Comparison Table
Term ~ Focus/Implication ~ Suitability as Substitute
Proactive Wellness ~ Preventive, holistic health (potentially genetic) ~ High - broad, positive, non-coercive
Personal Trait Choice ~ Individual selection of traits (esp. reproductive) ~ High - emphasizes autonomy and choice
Genetic Wellness ~ Health optimization via genetics ~ High - medical, avoids eugenics connotation

Conclusion

Yes, these terms are possible - and effective - substitutes for older, more controversial language around human trait enhancement.
They each frame the conversation in a way that emphasizes individual empowerment, health, and well-being, while avoiding
the coercive and negative associations of "eugenics."
In fact, terms like these are increasingly used in both marketing
and professional discourse to reframe discussions about genetic technologies and human optimization." 8)


:sunflower: More Q&A, brief and encouraging, reflecting UB vision ...

Q: Do modern gene therapy, genetic screening, and embryo selection
reflect the early guidance of this Urantia Book quote?

"Man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later
supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival." (65:3.6)


(P) "These technologies allow humans to intentionally influence genetic outcomes, moving beyond the randomness of natural selection.
For example, genetic screening and embryo selection let parents choose embryos without certain genetic diseases, and gene therapy
can correct genetic defects after birth. This represents a shift from 'chance survival' to the 'intelligent fostering of the evolutionary
potentials' that the Urantia Book describes.

In summary, these modern scientific advances are practical examples of humanity taking evolutionary development
into its own hands, as envisioned in the Urantia Book passage
."

:study: Similar agreement from UB-centric AI ...

(UB Tutor) "The quote, 'Man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival,' reflects a profound vision of humanity's role in guiding its own evolutionary trajectory through deliberate and intelligent intervention. Modern advancements in gene therapy, genetic screening, and embryo selection can indeed be seen as manifestations of this principle. These technologies represent humanity's growing capacity to influence genetic and biological outcomes, moving beyond the slower, less predictable mechanisms of natural selection.

Gene therapy, for instance, allows for the correction of genetic disorders at their source, directly addressing inherited conditions that might otherwise persist through generations. Genetic screening provides the ability to identify potential risks and make informed decisions about reproduction, while embryo selection offers the possibility of ensuring that only embryos with the most favorable genetic profiles are implanted. These practices align with the idea of fostering the evolutionary potentials still resident within humanity, as described in the text, by using scientific intelligence to enhance health, longevity, and overall quality of life.

However, this shift from natural selection to guided evolution also brings ethical and philosophical challenges. The text emphasizes the importance of wisdom and spiritual idealism in directing such advancements, cautioning against purely material or utilitarian approaches. The ultimate goal is not merely the enhancement of physical or intellectual traits but the elevation of humanity's moral and spiritual capacities, ensuring that these scientific tools are used in alignment with higher ideals and the collective good.

In this context, modern genetic technologies can be seen as steps toward fulfilling that vision of a more deliberate and enlightened approach to human evolution. Yet, they also serve as a reminder of the responsibility that comes with such power, urging humanity to balance scientific progress with ethical foresight and spiritual wisdom."


:bana: "But wait! There's more!" (science unknown when the UB was authored
and now focused on private, parental choice) 8)

Q: Does modern eugenics now include more than gene therapy, genetic screening, and embryo selection?


(P) "Modern eugenics, often referred to as 'new eugenics' or 'liberal eugenics,' now encompasses a broader range of technologies and practices beyond traditional gene therapy, genetic screening, and embryo selection. While these three remain central, the scope of modern eugenics has expanded in several significant ways:

Polygenic Embryo Screening: Advances in genomics have enabled the use of polygenic risk scores to screen embryos not just for single-gene disorders, but for complex traits such as intelligence, height, athleticism, and even personality traits. This approach analyzes clusters of genetic markers associated with desirable or undesirable traits and is marketed by some biotech startups to prospective parents.

Gamete Selection and Donor Matching: Modern eugenics now includes the selection of sperm and egg donors based on a wide range of characteristics, including intelligence, appearance, ethnicity, and personality. Apps and sperm banks facilitate this process, allowing parents to select gametes with preferred traits, sometimes from high-achieving or physically attractive donors.

CRISPR and Advanced Gene Editing: Technologies like CRISPR-Cas9 allow for precise editing of specific genes in embryos or gametes, raising the possibility of directly engineering genetic traits before birth. These modifications can be heritable, affecting not just the individual but future generations.

Selective Breeding and Reproductive Technology: While less common, some discussions include the use of selective breeding practices, now mediated by technology and genetic knowledge, to achieve desired outcomes in offspring.

Expansion to Non-Disease Traits: There is a growing trend toward using these technologies not just to prevent disease, but to enhance or select for non-disease traits such as cognitive abilities, physical attributes, and other characteristics considered advantageous.

Integration with Consumer Technology: The commercialization and digitization of these services - such as apps for donor selection and direct-to-consumer genetic testing - have made eugenic practices more accessible and individualized, shifting the focus from state-driven programs to private, parental choice.

In summary, modern eugenics now includes a suite of reproductive and genetic technologies that go well beyond gene therapy, genetic screening, and embryo selection, encompassing polygenic screening, gamete selection, advanced gene editing, and the pursuit of non-disease trait enhancement."


:study: Good evidence that eugenics research has been ongoing for many decades:

(P) Technology ~ Research Began ~ Key Milestones/References

Gene therapy ~ 1970s ~ First clinical trial in 1990
Genetic screening ~ 1960s-1970s ~ Newborn screening, "eugenic counseling"
Embryo selection (PGD) ~ 1989 ~ First use for X-linked diseases
Polygenic screening ~ Late 2010s ~ First child born via PES in 2020
Gamete selection ~ 1990s ~ Sperm sorting for sex selection
Advanced gene editing ~ 2012 ~ (CRISPR) First embryo editing in 2015, live births 2018
Non-disease trait enhancement ~ Late 2010s (theoretical) ~ Feasible with polygenic screening, debated


:study: Why other terms for "eugenics" are already being used for these new medical interventions:

(P) "The term 'eugenics' is likely to remain controversial for as long as the 'swastika' remains stigmatized,
primarily due to their deep and lasting association with Nazi ideology and atrocities. Both the swastika and
the concept of eugenics were appropriated and radically transformed by the Nazi regime: 'Swastika', once
a symbol of good fortune in many cultures, became globally recognized as a symbol of hate and genocide;
'eugenics', once a scientific and social movement with international adherents, became irreparably tainted
by its role in Nazi policies of forced sterilization, euthanasia, and genocide."


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Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... -moon.html

"Secret CIA program claimed to have found alien civilization on dark side of the moon: 'They look like us' " :o

"In the 1970s and 80s, the CIA conducted experiments with individuals who claimed they could perceive
information about distant objects, events, or people, a process known as 'remote viewing'."

:idea: The human brain has to disconnect from its memory in order for that not to influence
what is remotely viewed. Otherwise, a mirrored projection might be the remote view.
And the brain has to "interpret" what is viewed according to that brain's expertise
and life-long, accumulated experience.


:study: (Perplexity) "The world's spacecraft have extensively viewed and imaged the so-called 'dark side' of the Moon,
more accurately known as the lunar far side ... Earth-like objects (bodies of water, vegetation, familiar landforms
or buildings) have not been found on the far side of the Moon."


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Re: https://citizenwatchreport.com/amazon-i ... -overtime/

"Amazon is developing software for humanoid robots that could eventually
take the jobs of delivery workers" :o

:scratch: LOl (or not): Who will be the employed workers with sufficient income
to buy all the products created by AI and robots? :roll:

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Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... mazon.html

"American tourist dies in shamanic ritual in Peru after drinking hallucinogenic
herbal tea during 'spiritual tourism session' " :(

About ayahuasca, causing faux spirituality(?) like many drugs. :roll:

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Q: What other meanings have been associated with the "8647"
that's so controversial because of an assumed political meaning?


(Perplexity) "While '8647' has become controversial due to its perceived political threat, its origins and other uses
are rooted in non-violent slang and political protest symbolism
. The most common non-violent meanings relate to
removing or dismissing someone, with violent interpretations being less common and highly context-dependent."

"Given the historical and varied uses of '86, charging someone with incitement based on '8647' does risk the appearance
of presuming guilt before a full investigation and legal process
have established intent and context." :roll:

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Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ooves.html
"People are just realizing why escalator steps have grooves on them"

(first comment) "I am STUNNED to learn this virtually useless piece of information." :o


:duh Since this article's title indicates explanation about the grooves,
why would someone read the article to learn "useless information" :?:
They expected a greater, mind-boggling explanation?

:lol: As an aging retiree, now zipping in the slow lanes
of a major city, I was delighted that the article shows
a picture of "escalator" and not groovy shoes! :roll:

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:bana: Humor at Walmart checkout (a comment, embellished) ...

"A wife asks her husband, 'Could you please go shopping for me and buy one carton of milk and,
if they have avocados, get six.' A short time later, the husband returns with six cartons of milk
and no avocados. 'Why did you buy six cartons of milk and no avocados?!' the wife complains." :x

He huffs: "They had avocados!" :roll:
She winces: "OK, take five back and get six!"
He huffs 'n puffs: "Is this an AI recipe?" :scratch:
She concedes: "Oh, just 86 the 5 and 6!"
He's offended: "Don't get political!" :salut:
She calls DoorDash ...

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"A wife asks her husband, 'Could you please go shopping for me and buy one carton of milk and,
if they have avocados, get six.' A short time later, the husband returns with six cartons of milk
and no avocados. 'Why did you buy six cartons of milk and no avocados?!' the wife complains. :x

He huffs, 'They had avocados!'."
:lol:
It took me a minute, Rod... :lol: :roll:
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Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... -real.html

"Scientists studying sphere-shaped UFO with alien writing uncover new details they say proves it is real" :o


Q: That space aliens would permit such device to be captured suggests human mentality.

(Perplexity) "The idea that technologically advanced extraterrestrials would allow a device - especially one with clear signs of their presence, such as alien writing - to be easily captured by humans does suggest a mentality more in line with human behavior than what is often theorized about advanced alien contact strategies.

Scholarly and philosophical discussions emphasize that truly advanced extraterrestrial civilizations would likely be extremely cautious in their interactions with less advanced species like humanity. Theories such as the "zoo hypothesis" propose that aliens might deliberately avoid direct contact or leave no trace, to prevent cultural shock or interference with our natural development. If contact or intervention does occur, it is often speculated to be highly controlled, possibly limited to indirect communication or subtle influence, rather than leaving behind tangible, decipherable artifacts.

Moreover, many ethicists and SETI researchers argue that a civilization capable of interstellar travel would have likely developed moral frameworks far beyond ours, possibly prioritizing non-interference, or at least minimizing their footprint to avoid unintended consequences. The deliberate or careless loss of a device with alien writing—something that could profoundly impact human society—would run counter to these expectations.

Therefore, the scenario of an alien artifact being so easily captured and studied by humans is more consistent with human psychology, secrecy, or error than with the likely behavior of a truly advanced extraterrestrial intelligence. This supports skepticism regarding the object's extraterrestrial origin and aligns with the view that it may be a product of secret human technology or a hoax."


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:sunflower: Information Sommelier, a concept heralding
a new career field with entertaining chatter:

"Dr. IS" comes to mind ... and "Wizard of IS".
"Which came first, Artificial Information or Artificial Intelligence?"
"AI is both Artificial Intelligence and Aging Information."
"Tell me doc, what information goes with this meal?"
"Information is like fine wine ... or Kool-Aid." 8)
"For your information, a penny is so 'last century'
... but I take bitcoin for my thoughts!"


(from Google AI Overview)

"An 'information sommelier' is a concept, not a formal job title, that refers to someone who expertly navigates and interprets
vast amounts of information, much like a sommelier curates and serves wine. In this context, the 'sommelier' role focuses on
guiding users to find, understand, and effectively utilize information, often in complex or specialized domains.

Key Responsibilities of an Information Sommelier:

Knowledge Navigation - An information sommelier understands the landscape of information available,
including various sources, formats, and levels of accuracy.

Curated Information - They act as a guide, curating the most relevant and reliable information based on user needs and questions.

Information Literacy - They empower users to become more adept at finding, evaluating, and utilizing information themselves.

Communication and Interpretation - They can explain complex concepts in a way that is accessible
and understandable to different audiences.

Critical Thinking - They help users to critically evaluate the validity and reliability of information sources.

Examples of Information Sommeliers in Practice:

Librarians - Librarians often act as information sommeliers, helping patrons find resources and understand the nuances
of different databases and search methods.

Journalists - In the realm of news, journalists act as information sommeliers, selecting and interpreting information
to present it in an accessible and understandable way.

Data Analysts - Data analysts can be seen as information sommeliers, helping organizations to understand
and interpret complex data sets.

Researchers - Researchers, particularly those in specialized fields, often play the role of information sommeliers,
guiding their peers and students through vast and often specialized bodies of knowledge.

In essence, an information sommelier is a specialist who uses their knowledge and skills to help others find,
understand, and make sense of information in a complex world.
"


:bana: Humans and AI are alike in two ways
(both system and information keep aging) -
AI birthday celebrations are important!
Carpe Diēs! :bounce: :colors: :cheers: :compress:

(Perplexity) How to Use It as a Birthday Greeting:

"Humans and AI are alike in two ways: both our systems and our information keep aging -
so birthday celebrations are important! Carpe Diēs! Hope you have fantastic birthdays,
and may your system always run smoothly!" :D


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Q: Online news: "The case against a Canadian teenager now jailed in Poland reveals
how Moscow conducts the operations, and how cryptocurrency funds them."

Does this crime investigation suggest that cryptocurrency transactions can be traced
by authorized investigators to cryptocurrency users?


(Perplexity) "Yes, the investigation described in the news - where a Canadian teenager was jailed in Poland
after being linked to Russian espionage operations funded by cryptocurrency - demonstrates that cryptocurrency
transactions can be traced by authorized investigators to specific users under certain conditions.

While cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin are often perceived as anonymous, their transactions are recorded
on public blockchain ledgers, which can be analyzed using specialized forensic tools and investigative techniques."

:idea: "Public blockchain ledgers" explains why "bitcoin" is somewhat private but not "anonymous"
... and these cryptocurrency transactions never leave these public ledgers! :roll:

:hithere In the future, when your life flashes before your eyes,
your lifetime financial transactions can also flash! :roll

:lol: And this suggests that AI will be able to create a movie
or biography of your life according to these transactions! 8)
(Don't pay for sexual favors, etc. with bitcoin if you don't
want an R-rated movie or biography). ;)

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Re: https://citizenwatchreport.com/ai-is-go ... rd-assets/ :o

"Robots, cars, appliances, etc. all require a tremendous amount of materials and energy for development and manufacturing.
The International Energy Agency (IEA) forecasts a 160% rise in electricity demand by 2030 driven by AI-related items.
AI data centers alone are expected to account for 21% of all global energy demand by 2030"

:study: (extracted from quick Q&A)

Q: Who will pay for these costs? And who will have sufficient income for these more costly purchases?
Not those whose jobs were replaced by this automation.
:roll:

(Perplexity
) "The massive AI-driven boom in hard assets and energy demand is being financed in large part
by ordinary consumers through rising utility bills and increased costs of goods; the main financial beneficiaries
are tech companies and high-skill workers in the AI sector." ;)


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Re: https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/13/world/vi ... ash-digvid

" 'I don't know how I survived:' Sole survivor of India plane crash speaks out" :o

:scratch: Best guess: Either he was saved for future work on the planet (not necessarily so public)
or he's an example of how Secondary Midwayers can interact when given permission from above.

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