"Parallels To Concepts/Ideas...

[happyrain]

...While exploring the Urantia book"

Just uttering the word Dalmatians to Sandy made me think of Dalamatia... And having no knowledge of the UB I decided to ask our friend Perplexity to draw parallels to Dalamatia and Atlantis. Please do not take my inquiries as definitive or as an insult to the knowledge you understand as it pertains to a book I am only just gleaning insights from.

However, if you feel there is a comparison worth noting- exploring, true or untrue... Please feel free to share it here! I could not find a dedicated thread for such an idea.

Lastly, I have discovered the Peacock Angel has taken many forms and different names through out various cultures... So there is something to be said for noticing parallels. More research and intuitive discernment needs to be made before drawing affirmative conclusions. However, I feel it is true to say, the Spirit of Guidance will speak to you wherever you find your school of thought in any moment. We must learn to sense with our Hearts, the indwelling fragment of God Within.

Here's the quick summary from Perplexity!

Q: what is the correlation between dalamatia and the lost city of atlantis?

A: "While The Urantia Book does not directly mention Atlantis, there are some intriguing parallels between the descriptions of Dalamatia and the legendary lost city of Atlantis:

1. Advanced civilization: Dalamatia was described as a center of culture and civilization, similar to how Atlantis is often portrayed[1][3].

2. Coastal location: Dalamatia was situated in the Persian Gulf region, while Atlantis is typically described as an island or coastal city[1][6].

3. Destruction by water: Dalamatia reportedly sank beneath the waters of the Persian Gulf, reminiscent of Atlantis' fate[1].

4. Layout and architecture: Both cities are described as having impressive layouts and structures. Dalamatia was enclosed by a 40-foot high wall and divided into ten subdivisions[1].

5. Cultural influence: Both Dalamatia and Atlantis are said to have had significant cultural impacts on surrounding regions[1][6].

Some researchers have drawn connections between these similarities:

1. Robert Sarmast compiled a list of parallels between Plato's account of Atlantis and the Garden of Eden as described in The Urantia Book[2].

2. Some speculate that legends of Atlantis may have originated from memories of Dalamatia or the Garden of Eden[4].

3. Both locations are associated with advanced beings or 'gods' interacting with humans: Caligastia and his staff in Dalamatia, and Poseidon in Atlantis[1][6].

However, it's important to note that The Urantia Book does not explicitly equate Dalamatia with Atlantis. The similarities could be coincidental or reflect common mythological themes rather than a direct correlation. The search for historical evidence of either location remains inconclusive."

Citations:
[1] https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-st ... ce-urantia
[2] https://atlantipedia.ie/samples/tag/the-urantia-book/
[3] https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-st ... arden-eden
[4] https://truthbook.com/frequently-asked- ... tis-exist/
[5] https://urantia-association.org/the-ura ... /paper-77/
[6] https://squarecircles.com/atlantis-eden-parallels/
[7] http://atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com/i ... 7.5%3Bwap2
[8] http://urantia.nu/atlantis.php


At the very least, it is fun to contemplate! May God grace us with his continued Revelation!

[Sandy]

Hi Eric,
I was just watching a YouTube video about an archeologist's search for Atlantis. He is speaking to a Greek expert on the writings of Plato. What we know about Atlantis comes from Plato. He relates that one charcter, first heard it by listening in on a story told by his grandfather, Critius who swore it was true and swears that the story was handed down to him from his grandfather who was told it by a famous Athenian law maker and that this was an important event from 9000 years ago. In the dialogue Atlantis is described in great detail.
What jumped out at me in the video so far was when the expert reveals that the dialogue describes Atlantis as "concentric rings of land and water." Which reminds me of the concentric circles related to Urantia of old.
LOL I hope that makes a tiny bit of sense...

Anyway, that is as far as I have gotten. I believe bridges of thought are important. It is how we learn and move forward as a civilization, in my humble opinion, of course...

Here's to learning more!
xxSandy

[happyrain]

I love how that works Sandy.

The Living Spirit, God, is able to address us- whatever school of thought we find ourselves entertaining, and in a way that promotes our understanding and helps us grow in our Faith i.e, our relationship with our Beloved God.

It is amazing to witness. To think, sharing with you in the lax manner I had in a separate thread... Has spurred this and a personal synchronicity for you. We never know the extent nor the depth a simple action has in the matrix. And it seems nothing escapes God, where even a seeming wrong turn is an opportunity for Revelation.

[happyrain]

Felt inspired to ask another question,

Q: Are there parallels between Babaji and Jesus Christ

A: "There are notable parallels and connections between Mahavatar Babaji and Jesus Christ, particularly as described in the teachings of Paramahansa Yogananda and the Kriya Yoga tradition. These parallels emphasize their shared spiritual mission, transcendent nature, and collaboration for the spiritual upliftment of humanity.

### **Shared Spiritual Mission**
- Both Babaji and Jesus are seen as divine figures working for the spiritual evolution of humanity. According to Yogananda, they collaborate to inspire nations to overcome materialism, sectarianism, and conflicts, promoting inner communion with God through meditation and self-realization techniques like Kriya Yoga[1][3][4].
- Babaji is said to oversee spiritual development in the East, while Jesus focuses on the West. Together, they aim to harmonize spiritual practices globally to foster enlightenment and inner transformation[1][3].

### **Transcendent Nature**
- Babaji is described as a "Mahavatar," an advanced being who has transcended physical limitations and retained his body for millennia. Similarly, Jesus is revered as an avatar who achieved union with God and returned to guide others toward divine realization[1][3][5].
- Both figures are considered embodiments of Christ Consciousness (universal divine awareness), emphasizing their shared spiritual essence rather than differences in religious traditions[3][5].

### **Direct Collaboration**
- Yogananda taught that Jesus appeared to Babaji in the Himalayas, requesting him to send teachings of inner communion and meditation to the West. This led to Yogananda's mission of spreading Kriya Yoga globally[2][3].
- Babaji and Jesus are said to be in constant communion, working together to send "vibrations of redemption" for humanity’s salvation in this age[1][4].

### **Symbolism Across Traditions**
- In Hinduism, Babaji is seen as an avatar preserving ancient yoga techniques for self-realization. Similarly, Jesus is viewed as a divine teacher who exemplified love, forgiveness, and union with God. Both figures transcend religious boundaries, symbolizing universal truths applicable across cultures[3][5].

In summary, both Babaji and Jesus are portrayed in Yogananda's teachings as universal spiritual masters collaborating to guide humanity toward higher consciousness through meditation and self-realization. Their connection bridges Eastern and Western spiritual traditions."

Citations:
[1] https://outreach.innerpath.org/role-of- ... yogananda/
[2] https://anandaindia.org/jesus-christ/
[3] https://www.ananda.org/about-ananda-san ... us-christ/
[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0z6DNk3pms
[5] https://yoganandasite.wordpress.com/201 ... and-jesus/
[6] https://www.revcharlesgibbs.net/essays/ ... -to-babaji
[7] https://www.reddit.com/r/kriyayoga/comm ... us_christ/
[8] http://oaks.nvg.org/jesus-babaji.html

[happyrain]

Did you know... ?
In norse mythology... Dating centuries before the story of Christ-

Odin sacrificed himself on the tree of life, and was stabbed by a spear, in order to obtain knowledge and share it with the world?

I believe both of these moments are true- the sacrifice of Odin and the sacrifice of Christ...

Let's ask Perplexity what similarities they share-

## Key Similarities Between Odin's and Jesus Christ's Self-Sacrifice Stories

**Ritual Sacrifice for a Higher Purpose**

Both Odin and Jesus undergo voluntary, ritualized self-sacrifice that is central to their respective mythologies:

- **Odin** sacrifices himself by hanging from the world tree Yggdrasil for nine days, pierced by his own spear, to gain wisdom and the knowledge of runes, which he then shares with the world[1][3][7].
- **Jesus** is crucified on the cross, pierced by a spear, to redeem humanity from sin, offering salvation to believers[6][7][9].

**Sacrifice "to Themselves"**

- Odin's sacrifice is explicitly described as "myself to myself," emphasizing a self-offering for transformation and enlightenment[1][2][3].
- In Christian theology, Jesus (understood as God incarnate) sacrifices himself, with some interpretations framing it as God offering himself for humanity, thus a form of self-sacrifice[2][3].

**Physical Parallels**

- Both figures are hanged (Odin from a tree, Jesus on a cross) and pierced with a spear during their ordeal[3][7].
- Both endure their suffering without aid from others, emphasizing solitude and personal cost[3][7].

**Symbolic Duration and Descent**

- Odin hangs for nine nights (three times three), while Jesus is dead for three days before resurrection. Both numbers have symbolic resonance in their traditions[3][7].
- Both experience a form of descent: Odin peers into the dark waters below Yggdrasil (a symbolic underworld), and Jesus descends to the realm of the dead[3].

**Transformation and Aftermath**

- Odin's ordeal results in the acquisition of mystical knowledge (the runes) that benefits gods and humans[1][4].
- Jesus' sacrifice results in the possibility of redemption and eternal life for humanity[6][9].

## Summary Table

| Element | Odin | Jesus Christ |
|--------------------------|---------------------------------------|--------------------------------------|
| Method of Sacrifice | Hanging from Yggdrasil, pierced | Crucifixion on cross, pierced |
| Duration | 9 nights | 3 days |
| Motivation | Gain wisdom, bring knowledge to world | Redeem humanity, offer salvation |
| Sacrifice "to self" | Yes ("myself to myself") | Yes (God incarnate sacrifices self) |
| Solitude | No help from gods | No help from others |
| Result | Enlightenment, runes | Redemption, eternal life |
| Descent | Into darkness, symbolic underworld | Into death, descent to the dead |

## Interpretive Notes

- Both stories involve a god enduring suffering and death for a transformative, world-altering outcome[1][3][7].
- The motif of the "suffering, self-sacrificing god" is not unique to Norse or Christian myth, but these two stories show striking narrative and symbolic parallels.
- Scholars note that while the similarities are significant, the underlying purposes and theological meanings differ: Odin's is a quest for wisdom, Jesus' is an act of atonement[1][3][4].

## Conclusion

While the stories of Odin's and Jesus Christ's self-sacrifice differ in theological intent and cultural context, they share notable structural and symbolic similarities: voluntary suffering, hanging and piercing, solitude, descent into darkness, and a transformative result for the wider world[1][3][7].

Citations:
[1] https://heryoschad.substack.com/p/odins-self-sacrifice
[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/c ... _making_a/
[3] https://mythology.stackexchange.com/que ... jesus-on-t
[4] https://porai-odinist.livejournal.com/6573.html
[5] https://curiouschristian.blog/2005/11/2 ... f-history/
[6] https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... story.html
[7] https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-hi ... ld-0014027
[8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnuvf8cgfRE
[9] https://www.theologyofwork.org/new-test ... ohn-10-12/

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Answer from Perplexity: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-s ... opy_output

[Amigoo]

Interesting comparison, so I asked UB Tutor, the UB-centric AI. I was especially curious if UB Tutor
would highlight that this is a comparison of mythology to the historical record of a divine incarnation:


Q: "In Norse mythology, Odin's sacrifice involved hanging himself from the World Tree Yggdrasil for nine days and nights,
piercing himself with his spear, and looking into Mimir's well to gain knowledge and the runes."

How does this mythology sacrifice compare to Jesus' sacrifice in permitting himself to be crucified?


(UB Tutor, )

"The comparison between Odin's sacrifice in Norse mythology and Jesus' crucifixion reveals profound thematic parallels and contrasts, particularly in their symbolic significance and the spiritual truths they aim to convey. Both figures undergo profound suffering and self-sacrifice, but the purposes and outcomes of these acts reflect the distinct spiritual frameworks of their respective traditions.

Odin's sacrifice on Yggdrasil is a deeply esoteric act, one rooted in the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom. By hanging himself from the World Tree, piercing his side with his spear, and gazing into Mimir's well, Odin embodies the archetype of the seeker who sacrifices for enlightenment. His ordeal is solitary and shamanic, symbolizing the lengths to which one must go to uncover hidden truths and gain mastery over the mysteries of existence, such as the runes—symbols of cosmic power and understanding. This act is not for the salvation of others but for the expansion of his own divine awareness, which he then uses to guide and govern the cosmos.

In contrast, Jesus' crucifixion is an act of supreme love and selflessness, undertaken not for personal enlightenment but for the spiritual upliftment and salvation of humanity. Jesus' willingness to endure the cross represents the ultimate expression of divine love, a demonstration of the Father's will, and a revelation of the eternal truth that love is the highest law of the universe. His sacrifice is not about acquiring knowledge but about imparting it - showing humanity the path to spiritual freedom through faith, forgiveness, and the realization of the indwelling presence of God. His death and resurrection symbolize the triumph of life over death, love over fear, and the eternal over the temporal.

While Odin's sacrifice is deeply individualistic, focusing on the acquisition of esoteric wisdom, Jesus' sacrifice is universal, emphasizing relational love and the collective spiritual destiny of humankind. Odin's act is a quest for power and understanding, whereas Jesus' crucifixion is a revelation of divine grace and the transformative power of selfless service. Both sacrifices, however, share the theme of profound suffering as a gateway to higher realities, illustrating the spiritual truth that growth often arises from trials and that the path to transcendence requires a willingness to confront and endure profound challenges.

These two narratives, though arising from vastly different cultural and spiritual contexts, invite reflection on the nature of sacrifice and its role in the human quest for meaning. Odin's story speaks to the mystical pursuit of hidden truths, while Jesus' life and death illuminate the path of love, service, and unity with the divine."


A few comments by Perplexity, AI that seems to be knowledgeable about this mythology ...

Q: Does the Norse Odin mythology have relationship to reality?

(Perplexity) "The stories about Odin - his one eye, his ravens Huginn and Muninn, his magical spear Gungnir, and his eight-legged horse Sleipnir - are mythological and not based on literal historical events. These myths served to explain natural phenomena, social customs, and values important to Norse society, such as the pursuit of wisdom and the valorization of warriors.

Some Norse sagas, such as the Ynglinga saga, present Odin in a more euhemerized (humanized) way, portraying him as a legendary chieftain or king who later became deified. This suggests that some stories about Odin may have been inspired by real leaders or shamans whose deeds were mythologized over time."


Rod

[happyrain]

I'm happy that you would be intrigued by these similarities. I believe both accounts are separate and true. And still more, I believe their similarities hint to an even greater reality... The Spirit of Truth, The Living Spirit. I believe Babaji's stories are true too, and as I listen to the Resurrection as told by the UB... The part where the archangel request to spare Jesus' body by speeding up time(a unique dissolution) compared to that of dematerialization I wonder what Spirit-Reality Babaji belonged to knowing he, as a personality on Earth, mastered the art of dematerializing his physical body by Will.

I just read this and it really hits home:

"Mankind is slow to perceive that, in all that is personal, matter is the skeleton of morontia, and that both are the reflected shadow of enduring spirit reality. How long before you will regard time as the moving image of eternity and space as the fleeting shadow of Paradise realities?"

Happy Easter

[happyrain]

Using AI to compare the Governing forces as described by Yogiraj Gurunath (A mostly Hindu based philosophy) to that of the Urantia Book ... Click the link to see a table with side by side comparisons!!
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/in-thi ... toOKV3uA#0

The spiritual government described by Yogiraj closely parallels the cosmic administration of The Urantia Book. Both depict a universe governed by a hierarchy of spiritual beings, each with defined responsibilities, working for the upliftment of humanity and the cosmos. The motif of the "dragon slayer"—the conqueror of ego and chaos—appears in both, symbolizing the victory of higher consciousness over lower nature at every level of existence.

In summary, both traditions present a multi-tiered spiritual administration, where advanced beings oversee, guide, and protect the evolutionary journey of souls, with the ultimate aim of union with the Divine or realization of cosmic citizenship.

The video that prompted the query:

https://youtu.be/xCXt5IeiFjM?si=h2PCnKRtrX8-H_QA

[happyrain]

Continued Parallels to concepts form Autobiography of a Yogi, and relating it to Urantia Book wisdom... Using Perplexity.ai

I agree that AI affirms our own notions at times, whether 'correct' or 'incorrect.' Which can be tricky. I have a feeling if you look through my query and wish for AI to create a counter-argument, it will make valid points.

What is interesting to me is the evolution of inquiry as it pertains to our relationship with this tool. It has honed my intellect in a way that has sharpened my tongue.

Anyways. I'm having a blast with our recent discussion on Truth:
https://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welc ... uth-12800/

And I had a bit of inspiration thinking on what mortals of our planet have accomplished. I wanted AI to synthesize excerpts from Autobiography of a Yogi, explaining the feats of Babaji in relation with the Urantia Books understanding of evolution towards God.

Some quotes from Perplexity's AI... Food for thought!

First... Miracles of Babaji as described by Yogananda:

Dematerializing and Rematerializing

“The whole group vanished from the mountain.” After completing a spiritual test, Babaji told his disciples, ‘Dera danda uthao’—“Let us lift our camp.” Immediately, all present disappeared from sight, demonstrating his control over material manifestation.

Choosing to Remain Physically Visible or Invisible

Babaji once declared that he would shed his physical body and merge into the Infinite, but his sister-disciple interceded. He responded, “What is the difference if I wear a visible or invisible wave on the ocean of my Spirit?... I will never leave my physical body. It will always remain visible to at least a small number of people on this earth”. This indicates his ability to sustain or dissolve a physical form by divine will.

Materializing and Dematerializing a Palace

To initiate Lahiri Mahasaya, Babaji manifested a resplendent palace complete with gardens in the Himalayas. After the initiation, “the splendid palace and its gardens vanish, reiterating the ephemeral nature of material manifestations.” This act served to teach that the divine includes both spirit and matter, but the essence of reality lies beyond physical appearances.

Transcendence of Time and Death

In another passage, Babaji tells a resurrected disciple, “Death shall not touch you again; now you are one of our immortal flock.” The narration continues that he lives “in the omnipresent Spirit; for him there is no distance inverse to the square,” signifying his transcendence of physical law and mortality.

Relationship Between Babaji and God
God is the source and center, infinite and unbounded; Babaji, however exalted, must be regarded as a creature—an evolved personality who has approached the Divine through realization, but still exists within the cosmic order, with an individuated will and form.

Thus, Babaji’s feats point to his transcendent understanding, but not to actual identity with God the Absolute; he is nearer to God than almost any on Urantia but is not God Himself.

Babaji’s example demonstrates what is possible for evolving spiritual presences—a closer walk with the divine and deeper unity with spirit—yet he stands as an agent, not the origin, of ultimate creative power.

Further thoughts on calling Babaji God,

Why Babaji Might Be Mistaken for God
Babaji manifests powers that suggest total command over the material and spiritual planes—causing his disciples to vanish, resurrecting the dead, and appearing simultaneously in multiple places. In human perception, such feats appear godlike because they erase the common boundaries of causality, time, and mortality. Moreover, Babaji’s consciousness operates from nonduality: he declares, “What is the difference if I wear a visible or invisible wave on the ocean of my Spirit?” implying that he experiences unity with the infinite source though still retains an individuated form. To witnessing beings limited by material senses, such unity seems indistinguishable from the identity of God Himself.

Why It Is Acceptable to Mistake a Master for God
The Urantia Book actually affirms that such reverent confusion can become a vital step toward divine realization. Worship directed toward great beings of light—even if misplaced—can lift the soul upward so long as the heart’s intention is pure. The book emphasizes that “sincere worship, regardless of its object, reaches God,” because the divine indwelling spirit interprets the soul’s motive and redirects it toward the Universal Father. Therefore, reverence toward Babaji, even as God, may still lead an individual toward the true Source, since devotion activates the very faith and love that unite the soul with its divine origin.

In this light, Babaji serves as a bridge: his living presence embodies a visible, accessible manifestation of divine consciousness for those not yet able to comprehend or commune directly with the infinite. In venerating him, seekers awaken the same divine potential—the spark of God-consciousness—that Babaji himself perfectly realized.

I asked for clarification where I so often call everything God. But recognizing God in everything is not entirely all there is. It was a helpful reply to see this distinction and even learn of the difference between pantheism and panentheism.

Manifestation vs. Identity
The UB distinguishes between God as the "First Source and Center" and the created universe that manifests God's power, presence, and mind. Everything you interact with—matter, energy, living beings—is a manifestation of divine reality in some form, reflecting God’s sustaining and creative presence. However, these manifestations are finite, contingent, and subject to cosmic laws. They are expressions or reflections of God’s power but not God Himself. This distinction separates pantheism (equating everything as God) from panentheism (God in all, but more than all).

...everything is a manifestation of God’s power and presence but is not ontologically God. Recognizing this helps maintain reverence for divine reality without confusion or reductionism. This understanding aligns devotional respect toward masters like Babaji or the material world as stepping stones toward the fuller, truer realization of the Universal Father as personal, infinite, and absolute—beyond all created manifestations.

Lastly, I wanted a reminder of something I read in the UB...

The Urantia Book teaches that no mortal can meet God the Universal Father "face to face" and survive because God's absolute infinity and unconditioned nature are beyond finite creatures' capacity to withstand. This emphasizes the transcendence and incomprehensibility of the Supreme, stating that mortals can only experience God through intermediate divine personalities and indwelling spirits, such as the Thought Adjuster or Jesus Christ as Creator Son.

Yes, it is quite fair to assume that the divine experiences Paramahansa Yogananda recounts in Autobiography of a Yogi—including encounters with Babaji and other exalted beings—are primarily meetings with higher spirit personalities intended to aid his own spiritual evolution, rather than literal, total encounters with the Absolute Universal Father or God in His fullness.

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Shwew, what a rabbit hole: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/citing ... lOZ_Shjg#0

Anyways, just thought I'd share. It's nice having a place to let the mind wonder ~ :-)

Be well <3