Gary Tonge

[happyrain]

When I first started looking into the UB used the audio that is available online at urantia.org. If I came to something that I couldn't quite grasp, I just moved on. There was plenty in there that I could understand, so I just took from it what I could. Years later I'm finding that I'm gaining a deeper understanding of these truths. There are also many videos on youtube that help. Here are a few of many beautiful videos by Gary Tonge:

The Urantia Book Introduction: https://youtu.be/_wf21UbsdJ4?si=UtL9sMqZSKoZLbUO

The Urantia Book - What is Revelation: https://youtu.be/UeFUccAV5Nk?si=um1VJw3cmBPXG9lX

The Urantia Book - Encouragement: https://youtu.be/A9IeeX6k_8U?si=CbHqtxnkEpzzqrrE

The Urantia Book - Journey Through the Universe: https://youtu.be/9CkbbohKDoY?si=ZXaiMs_PQxjRoQ9j

The Urantia Book - Universal Family: https://youtu.be/0K-bRZ-tazo?si=yi5Jjc4NNpYpf_yI


And it might be a good idea to join a UB study group to share in the experience of other readers and learn from their understanding. There's strength in numbers.

Take care,
Jon

Thanks Jon!

[happyrain]

I'm watching this one tonight...
The Urantia Book - Our World Our History
https://youtu.be/qMA4krwTuyM?si=fNsVVZhRJQecm2AO

And although it was brief... Mentions of Ellanora sent those acknowledging chills up and down my entire being as if *someone/something was trying to communicate with me and I was briefly filled with a powerful emotion.

I hope to learn more about Panoptia and Ellanora.

I used to think the Melchizedeks were associated with 555 energy signature.

The Peacock Angel has also been associated with King Melchizedek.

Could 14 as a potential foreign midwayer hail from Panoptia? Is it possible? I have no clue.

[Sandy]

Hi Eric and Jon.
Thank you for the links. I tried to read paper 10 last week and didn't get far... time constraints and what nots make it difficult to get through complicated material..
First reading, I did exactly what Jon did with some things I did not understand. Just let them go for a time. People who have been reading the Urantia book for 50 years still find new insights and understanding.

George's Teacher Samuel was from Panoptia.

Could 14 as a potential foreign midwayer hail from Panoptia? Is it possible? I have no clue.

I don't see why not. But if he is one who has been spoken of as the Peacock Angel, I don't think he would be foreign as the circuits have not been opened very long. From what you have written before, the Peacock Angel has been around for a long time.
With Panoptia settled in Light and Life their Midwayers would be free to begin their own ascension to Paradise. Until that long goal occurs the Midwayers stay on and continue to help the planet of their birth. After the circuits were opened on our world (they were closed during the Lucifer rebellion) and beings from other worlds were allowed to visit Urantia, Andrea acted like an ambassador and guide of a sort. I do believe they can go temporarily off-world for jobs and meetings but return.

Just a note: Teacher Samuel and Aaron are not Midwayers but ascendant beings like us. They put their spirit ascension on hold so that they could help Urantia.
I hope this makes sense. I am sort of talking in circles.
xxSandy

[happyrain]

No, I don't think you're talking in circles at all! Rather, I am the one driving in circles and you're entertaining me.

See... There are a handful of coincidences that make me question parallels.
Like... Is Panoptia the same as the concept of Pleiades/Pleiadeans?

Or... With regards to the Peacock Angel... The Peacock Angel is also known as Sanat Kumara who hails from Venus.
Let's use Rods preferred search engine to help !
Perplexity is a little tricky... But I found the answer-

Sanat Kumara, known as the Ancient of Days and the Hierarch of Venus, is a significant figure in various esoteric and spiritual traditions. According to these beliefs, Sanat Kumara came to Earth with 144,000 souls during a critical period in Earth's spiritual evolution[3][5].

The story of Sanat Kumara and the 144,000 is described as follows:

1. Earth's darkest hour: When Earth was at risk of dissolution due to lack of spiritual light[3][5].

2. Volunteer mission: Sanat Kumara volunteered to come to Earth with 144,000 disciples to hold the spiritual balance[3][5].

3. Origin: These beings are said to have come from Venus, Earth's twin flame planet[3][5].

4. Purpose: To reignite the threefold flame in the hearts of Earth's people and raise the collective consciousness[3][5].

The concept of 144,000 has various interpretations across different traditions:

1. Symbolic representation: In some interpretations, 144,000 symbolizes the completion of God's people, derived from 12 (representing God's people) multiplied by 12 and then by 1,000 (representing a great multitude)[4][6].

2. Spiritual volunteers: In New Age thought, it's seen as a group of higher consciousness individuals incarnated to awaken and raise Earth's collective consciousness[2].

3. Religious interpretation: Some Christian traditions view the 144,000 as servants who bring sinners to Jesus during a tribulation period[2].

It's important to note that these concepts vary across different spiritual and esoteric traditions, and interpretations may differ.

Citations:
[1] https://summitlighthouse.org/sanat-kumara/
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D74n008wyFI
[3] https://parablesmythslegends.wordpress. ... at-kumara/
[4] https://wearefaith.org/blog/who-are-the ... evelation/
[5] https://www.storyofsanatkumara.com/less ... c-history/
[6] https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/ ... th-144-000
[7] https://narayanaoracle.com/?p=231
[8] https://clearlyreformed.org/sermon/who-are-the-144000/

So... "Ancient of Days" I know is a term I've heard mentioned in the Urantia Book as well... There are different concepts for the same thing depending on the culture... Which is interesting to me!!

But also... I've heard this 144,000 form somewhere else too... ??
Like... Why does the UB specifically mention this number? Why not 133,333?

The Urantia Book does not directly address or explain the concept of the 144,000 as it appears in other religious texts. However, the book does mention the number 144,000 in a different context:

1. In Paper 39, which discusses seraphic hosts, it states that these beings "are of a high order, being so multicircuited that 144,000 messages can simultaneously traverse the same lines of energy"[4].

This reference is unrelated to the traditional religious concept of 144,000 chosen individuals. Instead, The Urantia Book focuses on other spiritual concepts:

1. Cosmic hierarchy: It describes a vast array of spiritual personalities functioning in a complex system.

2. Spiritual progression: The book outlines a journey of spiritual growth for individuals, moving through various levels of existence.

3. Expanded cosmology: It presents a view of spiritual cosmology that includes multiple universes and levels of creation.

4. Thought Adjusters: These are described as fragments of God's spirit bestowed upon individuals to guide their spiritual growth.

The Urantia Book's teachings emphasize individual spiritual development and cosmic understanding rather than specific numbered groups of chosen individuals. Its approach to spirituality and cosmology differs significantly from traditional interpretations of the 144,000 found in other religious texts.

Citations:
[1] https://sharedveracity.net/2020/03/16/w ... evelation/
[2] https://clearlyreformed.org/sermon/who-are-the-144000/
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book
[4] https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-st ... phic-hosts
[5] https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/ ... antia-book
[6] https://urantia-association.org/forums/ ... tly-water/
[7] https://truthbook.com/frequently-asked- ... ntia-book/
[8] https://www.amazon.com.br/Urantia-Book- ... 0965197220

And again in the Bible...?

The number 144,000 holds significant symbolic meaning in Christianity, particularly in the Book of Revelation. Its interpretation varies among different Christian traditions and scholars:

## Symbolic Interpretation

Many theologians view 144,000 as a symbolic representation rather than a literal count:

1. Completeness: The number symbolizes the totality of God's people[2][6].
2. Divine perfection: It represents the complete number of God's people brought to divine perfection[2].
3. Symbolic calculation: 12 (representing God's people) x 12 (apostles) x 1,000 (greatness) = 144,000[3][5].

## Literal Interpretation

Some interpret the 144,000 as a literal group:

1. Jewish believers: A select group of Jewish converts during the end times[1].
2. Evangelists: Tasked with proclaiming the gospel during the tribulation period[1].

## Denominational Views

Different Christian denominations have varying interpretations:

1. Jehovah's Witnesses: Believe 144,000 is the limit of people who will reign with Christ in heaven[1][7].
2. Some Protestant interpretations: See it as representing all Christians throughout history, both Jews and Gentiles[6].

## Biblical Context

The 144,000 are mentioned in two key passages:

1. Revelation 7:1-8: Described as servants of God sealed from the tribes of Israel[1].
2. Revelation 14:1-5: Depicted as followers of the Lamb with special characteristics[7].

Regardless of interpretation, the 144,000 in Revelation generally represent God's faithful people, protected and set apart for His purposes during challenging times.

Citations:
[1] https://www.gotquestions.org/144000.html
[2] https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/ ... th-144-000
[3] https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... erses.html
[4] https://www.reddit.com/r/Christians/com ... evelation/
[5] https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blog ... evelation/
[6] https://www.crossway.org/articles/who-a ... elation-7/
[7] https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-is-the ... -witnesses
[8] https://wearefaith.org/blog/who-are-the ... evelation/


....As for the Peacock Angel... While we were discussing spiritual heirarchy during a UB Study I began to realize that the peacock angel is greater than what my capacity to see and know this being is capable of, from the perspective of a 3D Earth Origin Human Experience.
I do think 14 is a friend/helper that is more readily able to assist me and may even be following instructions from this Angel... I think I am somehow connected to the Peacock Angel... I still don't know how... But the fact is he allowed me to discover this much... And that in all of the lore his main mission is to point mankind towards the Source.

Sandy, I absolutely love that you would take the time to explore with me. I may offend others trying to draw parallels to concepts from various cultures but I think truth kind of works that way... There is something shared behind the flavor of what is being presented.

I intend to discover the raw essence and comingle with the intelligences that have graced me with this much!!

[happyrain]

I'm going to watch another Gary Tonge video tonight, it's just a cozy experience folks.

[happyrain]

WHAT! Wow this one was so freaking exciting !!

https://youtu.be/eDmwAV0CX3o?si=p0Fk8jz4RGT2HmNl

I mean, it really gives credence to the VAST alien lifeforms in our own system. This is the first time I've heard about, "no breathers" and "tri-lobed mortals"!

It *also further supports Casey Claars work... Because she captures so many different looking beings. Some of which I think are on the realm of angelic while others are of a similar vibration as us Urantians

This video really excites me for our future... I know I am to make the most of my time here, but this gets me off my seat saying yes I want to see more!

But other concepts like.. The correcting time- similar to the concept of us being a "prison planet" in other spiritual belief systems- And that at this point in our lives we're stepping into our "galactic citizenry"

Which is going to be a GOLDEN experience... But even this shows... Isn't even the totality of all the goodness that is to come!

Holy moly, shwew! I mean cmon!!

[happyrain]

I tried asking AI to show the parallels between the ancient of days and the peacock angel... It takes my language and puts it back in a manner that may be more coherent for others.

Here you go,

While the Peacock Angel and the Ancient of Days come from different belief systems, there are indeed some intriguing parallels that could suggest a common conceptual origin:

1. Primordial nature: Both the Peacock Angel (Tawûsî Melek) and the Ancient of Days are described as primordial beings. The Peacock Angel is considered the first emanation of God in Yazidi belief[6], while the Ancients of Days in the Urantia Book are described as the beginning of personality records in the universe.

2. Rulership: Tawûsî Melek is described as the ruler of the world and leader of archangels[5][6], while the Ancients of Days are portrayed as powerful and supreme rulers of the seven superuniverses.

3. Divine representation: The Peacock Angel is seen as a manifestation of God and an ambassador to humanity[3], which bears some similarity to the Ancients of Days being direct offspring of the Paradise Trinity.

4. Cosmic responsibility: Both entities are associated with cosmic duties. Tawûsî Melek is said to have created the cosmos from the Cosmic egg[5], while the Ancients of Days govern vast cosmic domains.

It's important to note that despite these similarities, the belief systems have significant differences:

1. The Yazidi faith is monotheistic, with Tawûsî Melek as an emanation of a single God[6], while the Urantia Book describes a more complex cosmology with multiple divine beings.

2. The Ancients of Days in the Urantia Book are described as a group of 21 beings[1], while Tawûsî Melek is a singular entity in Yazidi belief.

3. The historical and cultural contexts of these beliefs are vastly different, with Yazidism being an ancient Middle Eastern faith and the Urantia Book being a 20th-century spiritual text.

While it's speculative to equate these beings directly, the similarities could suggest that different cultures and belief systems have attempted to conceptualize primordial, divine entities responsible for cosmic governance. The idea of the Ancient of Days as a "first material concept" of the creator, as you suggest, is an interesting interpretation that aligns with how some traditions view their primary divine emanations or manifestations.

In conclusion, while we cannot definitively state that the Peacock Angel is an Ancient of Days or vice versa, the parallels between these concepts demonstrate how different belief systems may approach similar ideas about cosmic hierarchy and divine manifestation.

Citations:
[1] https://summitlighthouse.org/sanat-kumara/
[2] https://peacock-angel.org/yezidis/yezid ... and-faith/
[3] https://www.worldhistory.org/Yazidism/
[4] https://www.ascendedmasterencyclopedia. ... ster_Venus
[5] https://www.reddit.com/r/AlHaithamMains ... or_god_of/
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidism
[7] https://www.facebook.com/groups/2037301 ... 753205827/
[8] https://www.reddit.com/r/ManifestNBC/co ... e_peacock/
[9] https://www.mahoganybooks.com/9781644114124
[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taw%C3%BBs%C3%AE_Melek

This is not to say what is or isn't, especially since it may be hard to know a being of that stature in our present form. It is to say there are many ideas behind our cosmic history and a kernel of truth is shared among them.

This answer also makes me contemplate how "archangels" may be "superuniverses"
Or even... Archangels being "rays of light"
I've heard the expression in another school of thought, "Seven Rays"
My "awakening" or "initiation" experience in 2008 lead me(at one point) to believe as we evolve(the evolution of the soul) we are gifted an entire universe. Later I am taught to see/consider even the planets as unique personalities. It's hard for us to think of a "superuniverse" as an angelic personality but not impossible.

Just as we are distinct we also belong to One God.
It's the nature of reality(in this little ones opinion) that we are far from understanding.