The Urantia Book & The Rebellion of Lucifer

[JonahBC]

Over the past years I have skimmed the surface of the Urantia Book and did indeed purchase the beautiful blue leather bound edition. Hopefully in my life time I will be able to read it all.

Today among other youtube videos I came across this one of which I found extremely usefully towards my comprehension of the Urantia Foundation's history and the Rebellion of Lucifer. It's an audio podcast.. so nice to sit back close my eyes and just listen for a change...

Thought I would pass it along. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDxKmQ3MjZI

Cheers!

[Sandy]

Thanks for this Jonah! I will book mark it to read when my bandwidth returns to full strength in about 4 days...(hopefully in 4 days, anyway. ) It will do me good to refresh my memory and gain better understanding of these things.
love,
Sandy

[Amigoo]

Re: Messages from Celestial Teachers
“Some History of This Planet.” May 17, 2016

“All three have now become as if they had never been.”

When reading this final sentence, I wondered how "as if they had never been”
could be true as long as their history was still known (re: contemplation of
thoughts as things). And to extend the point, the three did interact with the
universe's things and beings, thus leaving behind a changed universe.

For "if they had never been” to be true, they could never have been.

Not a problem to resolve or error to correct ...
just mind-stretching morning meditation.

Rod

[Geoff]

Yes its hard to figure. Could it mean that things can exist in time-space that are absent in the eternal realm?

Geoff

[Amigoo]

Geoff,

things can exist in time-space that are absent in the eternal realm

My time-space mind is not able to digest this (and "as if they had never been") ...
even if "absent in the eternal realm" is a future reality.

Besides, as I consider those beings who have made valuable contributions to the universe(s), yet choose later not to continue life, their contributions would not likely become "as if they had never been".

So, "as if they had never been", in reference to the Lucifer trio, must be emphatic expression more than time-space fact.

On the other hand ... our future mansion world perspective on the no-longer-existent trio should be enlightening!

Rod

[EwranglerLFCa]

I am just a novice at this but the question brings me to paper 117--God the Supreme-- is evolutionary, being developed by our individual "personalities" Our personalities are those divine characteristics developed upon our ascension process. If we choose to ascend to the Finaliter stage, our personality is added to God the Supreme but if we choose not to ascend, our personality is not added and therefore, it is as if we never existed. I suspect that is the same for the Lucifer trio described above. The history of existence of Lucifer, stored away in a celestial archive, I believe is different.

Everett

[Amigoo]

Everett,

I am just a novice at this

Such depth of perspective ... for a "novice", self-labeled!
Reference to God the Supreme supports this perspective very well!

Yet, "history of existence of Lucifer" also correlates with personalities
changed by the prior existence of these beings, especially considering
that many of those personalities will merge with the Supreme.

So, indirectly, the Supreme may still acquire from the trio that
which had/has universe value. "As if they had never been" seems to be
perspective on the trio more than on the rest of the Grand Universe.

However, Geoff's "time/space" perspective suggests that "as if they ..."
is understood differently from outside our time/space abodes. So,
your comment hints of your own time/space travel.

Rod

[Amigoo]

There's something metaphysical about choosing to become "as if one has never been".

From one perspective, there's no pain, memories, experiences, relationships ... nothing."
In other words, what's the problem with so choosing?! After the event, there's no You
to be concerned about having lived such a life (lives) and made such a decision.
From that metaphysical perspective, you're "absorbed" by the universe
... or discarded - either way, a "Paradise" of non-existence?

The act of choosing non-existence seems related to one's soul content
when the final decision is made. In fact, a decision may not be required
once a soul exists, devoid of eternal value - those life forces enabling
continuing existence to Paradise and beyond are themselves depleted.

And this suggests that participation (continuing growth) is necessary
to assure that the life forces of one's future existence increase and thrive.
A life that is perceived as work and no play, all for no or mediocre return
on investment is probably an isolated, unbalanced life.

Rod

[EwranglerLFCa]

Yes, I would agree that are limited view of space and time prevent us from fully understanding,

[Mamo]

Thanks for sharing that link, Jonah!

This thread is already about diffent subjects. So where in the scriptures does it say that We are not already eternal being?

[Sandy]

Good Morning Mahsa,
Hope you are having a fabulous week up there on the "top end."

You wrote:

So where in the scriptures does it say that We are not already eternal being?

Well, I wouldn't say we are not eternal beings so much as the potential for eternal existence is always present... LOL I know... "apples and oranges" eh?

I looked up Fusion in my handy dandy Urantia Book Concordex and found this section in Paper 112 entitled Personality Survival. The whole paper is "choka block" (as George would say ) full of interesting information but it is in section 7 which is entitled "Adjuster Fusion" that seems most to apply to your question.

Thought Adjuster fusion imparts eternal actualities to personality which were previously only potential. Among these new endowments may be mentioned: fixation of divinity quality, past-eternity experience and memory, immortality, and a phase of qualified potential absoluteness.

112:7.2 (1237.4) When your earthly course in temporary form has been run, you are to awaken on the shores of a better world, and eventually you will be united with your faithful Adjuster in an eternal embrace. And this fusion constitutes the mystery of making God and man one, the mystery of finite creature evolution, but it is eternally true. Fusion is the secret of the sacred sphere of Ascendington, and no creature, save those who have experienced fusion with the spirit of Deity, can comprehend the true meaning of the actual values which are conjoined when the identity of a creature of time becomes eternally one with the spirit of Paradise Deity.

112:7.3 (1237.5) Fusion with the Adjuster is usually effected while the ascender is resident within his local system. It may occur on the planet of nativity as a transcendence of natural death; it may take place on any one of the mansion worlds or on the headquarters of the system; it may even be delayed until the time of the constellation sojourn; or, in special instances, it may not be consummated until the ascender is on the local universe capital.

112:7.4 (1237.6) When fusion with the Adjuster has been effected, there can be no future danger to the eternal career of such a personality. Celestial beings are tested throughout a long experience, but mortals pass through a relatively short and intensive testing on the evolutionary and morontia worlds.

Hugs,
Sandy

[Sandy]

I just realized you may not have meant the Urantia book when you said "scriptures," Mahsa. I'm sorry if that's the case...Not sure about other Sources in relation to your question.
xxSandy

[Mamo]

Dear Sandy,

What I am saying is that Fusion With our God Spark is inevitable and just a question of time if we keep the Faith and have patience and endurance. The journey began long ago, that's all I'm saying.

((Hugs))
Mahsa

[Sandy]

What I am saying is that Fusion With our God Spark is inevitable and just a question of time if we keep the Faith and have patience and endurance. The journey began long ago, that's all I'm saying.

Thank goodness as I suspect I am going to need alot of time.

Sandy

[Amigoo]

While the UB elaborates on Fusion being a choice, "Fusion With our God Spark is inevitable"
should always be our human perspective, especially about others and their spirituality.

Rod

[Sandy]

I couldn't agree more, Rod. Well said.
xxSandy