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Everything that we do in this life is governed by time. The sun, stars and planets proceed at a particular rhythm that determines our awakened states and sleep states. Our earth hurtles through space at 66,600 MPH, while rotating at over 1,000 MPH. The Milky Way galaxy, of which we are a part, blazes through space at over 90,000 MPH.

We set our clocks to these precise rhythms of our planet and of our star. We measure time in a straight line fashion. There are beginnings and there are ends. We live in the linear frame of time. That is why it is so hard for us to fathom that there could be other measures of time different from our own. And further still, it is almost impossible to comprehend that the Father of us all exists outside of space and outside of time. Where the Father dwells, the past, present and the future, converge into one. Where the Father dwells is motionless and sublime stillness.

We are in constant motion. Our bodies, the planets, the stars, the galaxies, the universe, are all in constant motion. This constant motion precipitates the notion that everything observable to our eyes must adhere to a linear time frame. Yet, modern scientists have even figured out mathematically that there are at least eleven dimensions. How many dimensions there are, I don't know. However, what we call or term dimensions are actually differing bands of time. Note what Bzutu had to say on the subject.
“And indeed, you and I live in different coinciding bands of time. The universe we live in exists in pervaded space. Outside this pervaded space there is neither material nor is there time. Within the pervaded space there is material which is constantly being added to in the form of automatons. It is constantly nourished by an energy which is raw time. Throughout the universes and the galaxies there are countless minded machines, capable of directing the automatons, and the raw-time energy, from nether (lower) Paradise, capable also of splitting time into various bands.
According to the explanation that Bzutu gives there is material constantly being added to in the form of automatons. It is constantly nourished by an energy which is raw time. Then countless minded machines take the automatons and the raw-time energy and splits them into various bands. (I would like Bzutu to give a further explanation about the nature of these automatons and this raw-energy that we call time)

Bzutu gives this vision:
Note: At this point there is a break, as he said there would be. I’m now seeing a ‘machine’ that looks like a huge shredder. A wide, pure white flow of energy goes into this machine, and comes out the other end like ten or twelve narrow, nourishing time bands that have a slight dark space between them. Presumably, the narrow band on the far right is linear time, and it moves directly towards me. Next up I’m seeing a prism that turns white light into rainbow colors. I guess I’m being told there is a similarity.
This illustration reminded me of the electromagnetic spectrum. We are able to see in the visible light spectrum. There are other frequencies that we cannot see, but certainly do exist. Note what this site has to say: http://www.spacetoday.org/DeepSpace/Tel ... ctrum.html
The electromagnetic spectrum is a vast band of energy frequencies extending from radio waves to gamma waves, from the very lowest frequencies to the highest possible frequencies.
The spectrum is arranged by the frequency of its waves, from the longest, lowest energy waves to the shortest, highest energy waves.
On the lower end of the spectrum we have radio waves and infrared waves. Then we have visible light. At higher frequencies we have ultraviolet light, X-rays and gamma rays. There is a longer interval between the energy waves of the lower frequencies and a quicker interval between waves of the higher frequencies. Again, we can only see the frequencies that exist in the visible light spectrum.

Bzutu further states:
Bzutu: “We carry on. The time band you live in is often called linear time. This is where every single second that ticks away is added to history, and drawing your next birthday just one second closer. Your linear time is at the very margin of all times that are being produced by these minded machines. The Morontia Cherubim, Morontia Companions, the Secondary Midwayers, and the Primary Midwayers -- as well as some to-you-unknown (unrevealed) other Celestials -- exist in the very same space you occupy, but they have for themselves two bands of non-linear, more flexible, time, sometimes called the Midway Realm, sometimes called the fourth dimension.

This reminds me of the electromagnetic spectrum because we are not able to see or experience these bands of time or dimensions. We can see visible light, but not the other frequencies above and below. What I find interesting is that our space intersects with their space. We both occupy the same space. Yet, they dwell in the bands of times that these minded machines continue splitting into various time bands. That is how we can understand that the midwayers, destiny guardians, and other celestials can be stationed here, but we cannot see them. There is also an archangels headquarters stationed right here on Urantia. When space visitors come here they are astonished. Why would there be an archangels headquarters on this tiny sphere out on the fringes of the Milky Way? When they discover that the Creator Son of Nebadon had his final bestowal here they have their answer.

Bzutu states:
“A large number of your Angelic forces live in yet the next few bands of time. Those living in these bands are, like us, capable of traversing into adjoining bands of time. You will find that your linear time is least flexible. The flexible time of the Midway realm allows us to ‘dart into your presence,’ as well as meet up with our Primary Midwayer Cousins. And so it is with the Angelic Forces. There appears to be even less of a barrier for them to converse with us, and for them to converse with their seniors, in yet higher levels, or bands, of time.
http://board.1111angels.com/viewtopic.php?p=118536

It seems to me that we are in the visible light spectrum, at least from the standpoint of where we dwell in linear time. As we raise higher up on that spectrum or band of time we will have more flexibility. We will be able to see those in the time bands below us. There was a celestial message that came through one time where a being stationed on Paradise was able to see what was going on from his realm with a person in our realm or linear time band. As we ascend inwards towards the Father we will also ascend the bands of time.

My deepest and sincerest thanks go to our beloved Midwayer friends and the chief Bzutu. We have learned so much as a result of your schooling us in the realities of the universe that we dwell in. I don't often get a chance to express my love for you Bzutu and all my midwayer friends. I love you deeply and thank you that you patiently teach all us cheeky humans. Your determination and fortitude are greatly appreciated. Now that you have taught us time 101 can we go to time 102? :)

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Paul wrote:
It seems to me that we are in the visible light spectrum, at least from the standpoint of where we dwell in linear time. As we raise higher up on that spectrum or band of time we will have more flexibility. We will be able to see those in the time bands below us. There was a celestial message that came through one time where a being stationed on Paradise was able to see what was going on from his realm with a person in our realm or linear time band. As we ascend inwards towards the Father we will also ascend the bands of time.
So let me understand, Paul. You are saying there was a celestial message, that came through, which talked about a Paradise being who was able to see what was going on in our realm? Facilitated by a person in our realm (linear time band)?
Do you remember who the celestial was on this transmission? I would like to read up on that--sounds interesting! :o :shock: :roll:


Paul wrote:My deepest and sincerest thanks go to our beloved Midwayer friends and the chief Bzutu. We have learned so much as a result of your schooling us in the realities of the universe that we dwell in. I don't often get a chance to express my love for you Bzutu and all my midwayer friends. I love you deeply and thank you that you patiently teach all us cheeky humans. Your determination and fortitude are greatly appreciated. Now that you have taught us time 101 can we go to time 102? :)

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I don't know if I am quite ready for time 102, but i do echo the sentiment of gratitude. 8) :lol: :D

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What I am wondering is if it is ever possibly in the cards that our friends would allow us (mankind) to gain such an understanding of the various aspects of time (our own and all others) so that we can use the understanding to influence outcomes. I seriously doubt this and can really understand why this would not be possible, could be dangerous actually. I just was wondering. You know like the movie "The Butterfly Effect". I read somewhere, and I cannot remember where, that it is possible to send messages back to yourself in time in order to improve the choices made or help remove negative thinking. Have any of you read this or heard of this?
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Dear Lola,

If you read the book written by a friend of mine - The Last Enemy - by Jack Bentley he escapes a fiery death through a head on collision with a fuel tanker, and yet directly under his car are the scorched tire tracks of the tanker because its tyres were smoking. It went right through him, and he had a witness to the event. He was stalled in front of it, and it drove through him to leave everything untouched.

Later he was told "he" altered time. Of course he has no idea how he might have done that.

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jfarris wrote:So let me understand, Paul. You are saying there was a celestial message, that came through, which talked about a Paradise being who was able to see what was going on in our realm? Facilitated by a person in our realm (linear time band)?
Do you remember who the celestial was on this transmission? I would like to read up on that--sounds interesting! :o :shock: :roll: :
Yeah it happens to George quite often, ask him he will likely find it for you. Its called Universe Reflectivity.

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Geoff, I pretty much got the impression that they, at least those assigned to this realm's mortals, can see what is going on as it is going on. I mean, I can almost make out their forms here with me at times. So, if I can "almost" see them, certainly they can see me as I go about my day and see it as being present. At least that is what I always thought. Is this wrong? Please explain more. I also always felt, though I never put it to myself exactly this way until recently, that there were moments in my life where I was actually within the spaces in between time. If that makes any sense at all. Where it appeared as if time stood still and was frozen but I was still active and moving within it. These times are when it seemed they were showing me what was on the "other side"--the light, the love, the peace.

How was it that your friend could do this without being aware that he was doing this? If it was not a concious decision to do it, how was it done? I mean, what is it that was in him that allowed him to bring this ability forward? Is that we are all co-existing in both spots of time at once? Was that what I was doing in those times where they opened the door to their side for me?
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LolaandLight wrote:How was it that your friend could do this without being aware that he was doing this? If it was not a concious decision to do it, how was it done? I mean, what is it that was in him that allowed him to bring this ability forward? Is that we are all co-existing in both spots of time at once? Was that what I was doing in those times where they opened the door to their side for me?
Dear Lola,

I have no idea, and neither has he, except the guidance he hears clearly, says "he" did it. I think his TA could have, but.....

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I guess it just wasn't his time and they pulled out all stops to make him last beyond that point in time.
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LolaandLight wrote:I guess it just wasn't his time and they pulled out all stops to make him last beyond that point in time.
that defintely does happen at times I think
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Isn't it funny how many different ways the word "time" can be used when talking about time?
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This is a great conversation. It's wonderful coming back here and seeing members of old. I hope everyone is doing well. I am bumping this thread for further contemplation. :happy :study:
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Wow, I just reread the entire OP. So good! Thanks again Paul.

I believe archangels can be stationed here on Urantia, and I believe *many* at *this time* ;) Are opening up to the invisible spectrums of light and life that exist within and around us.

How exciting!?

And still, how much further we have to go! OMG :roll

Speaking of God, existing outside time and space... I've always kind of understood our "emanations" more as Holographic.

We all originate from ONE GOD, I believe it. It is PARADISE and outside time and space. And everything that IS comes from the source. So, naturally, I find more kaleidoscopic realities- where we blend and have our being with a myriad of others in which we are rarely aware of.

But on this journey towards TRUTH, we begin to see the BINDING relationship we have with all of life.

The binding force, ALL PERVADING GOD.

Hmm... Just some thoughts!

Intelligent life must exist outside of no time for reality to be manipulated in a way that a spiritual moment(epiphany, realization, or emotional catalyst) happens at a "precise time." Or when we go beyond the time prompts and witness reality itself acknowledging secret thoughts no one supposedly outside of ourselves can know. Such as something being made manifest in a EXACT MOMENT to acknowledge internal dialogue.
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:scratch: So, without motion in the universe,
time does not exist? (time is a measure of change) :roll:

May your motion be profitable - even uplifting!

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Well, it's about time someone bumped this thread! ;)

That was very well stated, Eric! Here's what Jesus had to say about time according to the Urantia Book:
130:7.4 (1439.2) Time is the stream of flowing temporal events perceived by creature consciousness. Time is a name given to the succession-arrangement whereby events are recognized and segregated. The universe of space is a time-related phenomenon as it is viewed from any interior position outside of the fixed abode of Paradise. The motion of time is only revealed in relation to something which does not move in space as a time phenomenon. In the universe of universes Paradise and its Deities transcend both time and space. On the inhabited worlds, human personality (indwelt and oriented by the Paradise Father’s spirit) is the only physically related reality which can transcend the material sequence of temporal events.

130:7.5 (1439.3) Animals do not sense time as does man, and even to man, because of his sectional and circumscribed view, time appears as a succession of events; but as man ascends, as he progresses inward, the enlarging view of this event procession is such that it is discerned more and more in its wholeness. That which formerly appeared as a succession of events then will be viewed as a whole and perfectly related cycle; in this way will circular simultaneity increasingly displace the onetime consciousness of the linear sequence of events.
What I take from this is that time as perceived by humans is a linear sequence of events. This means that we reckon time from moment to moment rather than in a continuous sense. Because we are indwelt by a Thought Adjuster, which is a fragment of the Father who exists outside of time and space, we are capable of transcending this partial consciousness of time. As we progress throughout our universe careers, our consciousness of time expands until we are able to comprehend eternity, which is the wholeness of time.

Also in this discourse, Jesus mentions that we will someday identify with seven dimensions:
130:7:7 (1439.5) Ultimately, surviving mortals achieve identity in a seven-dimensional universe.
The seven dimensions of personality realization are explained in Paper 112 - Personality Survival.
112:1.9 (1226.13) The type of personality bestowed upon Urantia mortals has a potentiality of seven dimensions of self-expression or person-realization. These dimensional phenomena are realizable as three on the finite level, three on the absonite level, and one on the absolute level. On subabsolute levels this seventh or totality dimension is experiencible as the fact of personality. This supreme dimension is an associable absolute and, while not infinite, is dimensionally potential for subinfinite penetration of the absolute.

112:1.10 (1226.14) The finite dimensions of personality have to do with cosmic length, depth, and breadth. Length denotes meaning; depth signifies value; breadth embraces insight—the capacity to experience unchallengeable consciousness of cosmic reality.

112:1.11 (1227.1) On the morontia level all of these finite dimensions of the material level are greatly enhanced, and certain new dimensional values are realizable. All these enlarged dimensional experiences of the morontia level are marvelously articulated with the supreme or personality dimension through the influence of mota and also because of the contribution of morontia mathematics.
We may not be able to fully grasp these concepts until we reach the morontia level. However, it seems that the penetration of the absolute dimension would be concomitant with full comprehension of eternity. But surely this will take some time! :roll
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Hey Rod,

Thank you for your interest. I appreciate the generous wishes. I can't tell if you're asking for clarification or whether you're implying something ... ? Did Jonathan's follow up post touch up on your question? Would you like to elaborate your perspective?

May your motion be uplifting and profitable too!

I'm sure it is, for all of us.

Jon I liked the pun, all in divine timing eh? :lol:

I will have to re-read what you provided when I'm in a quieter environment.

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130:7:7 (1439.5) Ultimately, surviving mortals achieve identity in a seven-dimensional universe.
I find that to be incorrect. But just probably the way the sentence is constructed. I have spent a fair bit of time correlating the 7 Mansion Worlds with the 12 dimensions that we humans can exist in, indeed are said to exist in all. The Morontia Worlds are said to be "containers" and dont appear to realye easily, because World 1 is about the 4D/5D, and 7 is 7D

it turns out that we start in the 7th Dimension (Not Mansion World) and we aim initially to return to that 7th, which is the entry to the Celestial realm, but we can and will go higher, ultimately to the 12th, the abode of Prime Source. I have a table of these 12 dimensions now, but am not sure it will copy here. I dont have time right now to place an image and link that here.

Here are the dimensions:

1. Existence. The point. The mineral kingdom.
2. Primal awareness. The line. The plant kingdom.
3. Spatial awareness. The shape. The animal kingdom. (and us if not spiritual)
4. Mental planes, astral planes, time. The human kingdom.
5. Etheric planes, love. The crystal light body.
6. Causal planes, Akashic records. Radiant light beings.
7. Lower celestial planes. Angels, ascended beings.
8. Middle celestial planes. Archangels, ascended masters.
9. Upper celestial planes. Higher order beings, central sun.
10. Lower God worlds. Beings from great central sun.
11. Middle God worlds. Beings from great, great central sun.
12. Upper God worlds. The Godhead.

In actuality, there are no neat divisions between levels.
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And indeed, you and I live in different coinciding bands of time. The universe we live in exists in pervaded space. Outside this pervaded space there is neither material nor is there time. Within the pervaded space there is material which is constantly being added to in the form of automatons. It is constantly nourished by an energy which is raw time. Throughout the universes and the galaxies there are countless minded machines, capable of directing the automatons, and the raw-time energy, from nether (lower) Paradise, capable also of splitting time into various bands.
:idea: Intriguing quote, hinting that material must exist in space in order for motion to occcur
by which time is created (as measurement of motion).

And "minded machines directing automatons" seems to relate to the creation of crop circles,
with their designs gifted from a higher realm to the machines.

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I'm also intrigued by beings that use light to communicate, and that exist in spectrums we do not ordinarily perceive.
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Re: https://www.perplexity.ai/

Q: What is time?

"Time is a fundamental concept that represents the continued sequence of existence and events from the past, through the present, and into the future. It is a crucial component in various measurements used to sequence events, compare durations, and quantify rates of change. Time is often considered the fourth dimension alongside three spatial dimensions. While there are different philosophical and scientific perspectives on time, it is generally understood as a crucial aspect of our reality that influences our understanding of events and the world around us."

:idea: This explanation suggests the meaning of "time" is relative to context
and highlights that "measurement" is common to various meanings.

God gives us all the time in the world to choose eternal life,
but time zones change when we leave this world. :roll:

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12:5.5 (135.4) Relationships to time do not exist without motion in space, but consciousness of time does. Sequentiality can consciousize time even in the absence of motion. Man’s mind is less time-bound than space-bound because of the inherent nature of mind. Even during the days of the earth life in the flesh, though man’s mind is rigidly space-bound, the creative human imagination is comparatively time free. But time itself is not genetically a quality of mind.
12:5.6 (135.5) There are three different levels of time cognizance:
12:5.7 (135.6) 1. Mind-perceived time—consciousness of sequence, motion, and a sense of duration.
12:5.8 (135.7) 2. Spirit-perceived time—insight into motion Godward and the awareness of the motion of ascent to levels of increasing divinity.
12:5.9 (135.8) 3. Personality creates a unique time sense out of insight into Reality plus a consciousness of presence and an awareness of duration.
The third level of time cognizance brings to mind how people can perceive time differently. Time seems to fly by when we are having fun, but can seem to drag on forever in other circumstances. Yet in each case the same amount of time has passed. When we have had a tiring day we often say it’s been a long day, but each day is always the same length. It’s just that each person can perceive time in a unique way.

I also have noticed that as I age, time seems to pass by at a faster pace. I think this has to do with frame of reference. To a child who has only experienced a few years of life, each year would seem like a very long time. But as we age, the years can seem to fly by since we have experienced more time. Yet each year is technically the same amount of time.
12:5.10 (135.9) Unspiritual animals know only the past and live in the present. Spirit-indwelt man has powers of prevision (insight); he may visualize the future. Only forward-looking and progressive attitudes are personally real. Static ethics and traditional morality are just slightly superanimal. Nor is stoicism a high order of self-realization. Ethics and morals become truly human when they are dynamic and progressive, alive with universe reality.
12:5.11 (135.10) The human personality is not merely a concomitant of time-and-space events; the human personality can also act as the cosmic cause of such events.
If we are to become cocreators with God, we must not allow our ethics and morals to become frozen in time. The universe is in constant motion. Our relationships with each other must evolve as each person evolves. In the same manner, if we are to progress our civilization our societal norms must evolve to keep up with the ever changing demands of modern life. Yet, that which is of eternal value will forever be timeless.
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time seems to pass by at a faster pace
:idea: Departure from the local universe seems just around the corner
... with the Havona arrival but a few more corners away. :o

So many roses to sniff in such limited time.
That our minds can perceive time differently
(even at the same time) is fascinating! :D

:hithere If God wrote a song about time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEj8lUx0gwY

"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery,
today is a gift, that's why it's called the present."
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Re: https://www.perplexity.ai/

Q: relationship of time to space?

"The relationship between time and space is a fundamental concept in physics, particularly in the context of theories like ... Einstein's theory of general relativity further elaborates on this relationship by explaining how mass and energy curve spacetime. This curvature affects the passage of time, showing that gravity can slow down time for an object depending on its proximity to massive bodies. In essence, time and space are intertwined components of spacetime, where changes in one affect the other ..."

:idea: Apparently, the motion of mass (matter) is directly related to time. 8)
However "changes in one affect the other" refers to changes in space
affecting time but not vice versa since time is a measurement. ;)

This association of time and space seems to explain
how various dimensions can exist when "dimension"
is a relationship of concepts more than a thing. :roll:

:farao: Speaking of time ...

"The best day is the day between yesterday and tomorrow." :cheers:
(one of grandma's sayings, including this ...)
"Very advanced computers created Artificial Intelligence." :scratch:
(and this ...)
"When you're hungry, the only thing good is something to eat." :bounce:
(and this ...)
"Pavlov's dog Uber salivated when it heard the doorbell ring." :hithere
(and this ...)
"He who bends over backward is looking backward, upside down." :?
(and this ...)
"All good things must end for better things to happen." ;)

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Amigoo wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:06 pm :D

:hithere If God wrote a song about time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEj8lUx0gwY

Rod :)
Those women have reached near hysteria like levels through idolization. :shock: Not a bad song though.
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Re: Time

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“Time Is on My Side is a song written by Jerry Ragovoy (using the pseudonym "Norman Meade"). First recorded by jazz trombonist Kai Winding and his orchestra in 1963“

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Re: Time

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:idea: Jerry Ragovoy's "Time is on My Side" is an interesting study revealing
some good songs are popularized by other musicians. Perhaps their fans
prefer to believe that another singer is promoting the tune and lyrics
as their own. And this seems to explain the hysteria (that singer
is directing that tune and lyrics to that fan). :idea:

This also hints that we humans prefer different sources of truth
... even if the source is not the original. :roll:

Not to worry! The creator will be known in due time. ;)

Rod :)
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