Monjoronson and the Madhi

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Post by Geoff » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:41 am

Hi Snookie,

A warm welcome to our site.
snookie wrote:A warm hello from Indonesia.
A country from the east and down under.
In the Urantia book online, the chapters only discussed about Jesus.
I was wondering, what does Monjoronson (or other midwayers)
say about Islam and Al Quran?
Is Monjoronson the Imam Mahdi, the moslems think or not?
Here is the laugh. The Urantia Book does not mention Monjoronson by name. It is only in the last ten years that we have had it confirmed he is coming, and got his name. And because the ubook does not mention him specifically, although it does explain that it is not uncommon for a Magisterial Son to visit inhabited planets, nevertheless quite a large number of ubook followers don't believe in Monjoronson. Quite a lot of them also don't believe in being able to hear the angels.

Is Monjoronson the Imam Madhi? Well if what the Quran is describing is a Magisterial Son, then yes that is who he is. But I have heard the Quran does not mention the Imam Madhi. It's only in more recent texts?

I very much doubt that Monjoronson will set one religion up against another. So for him to comment on that is not something I would expect. But he also has many names, and is probably expected in many places.

Celestials and midwayers do not "support" religions. They support ALL people, and religions is a human thing.

They will try to work with anyone, and if you insist that you know Truth better than they do, they will humour you. But if you actually let them teach YOU, then you can learn everything you need to know.

love,
Geoff.
Last edited by Geoff on Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:58 am, edited 5 times in total.
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Post by Gai*11 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:51 am

Geoff says:
But if you actually let them teach YOU, then you can learn everything you need to know.
Thanks Geoff for wording that all so well.., and that is sure the truth.

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Post by snookie » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:14 am

Geoff wrote: I very much doubt that Monjoronson will set one religion up against another. So for him to comment on that is not something I would expect. But he also has many names, and is probably expected in many places.

Celestials and midwayers do not "support" religions. They support ALL people, and religions is a human thing.

They will try to work with anyone, and if you insist that you know Truth better than they do, they will humour you. But if you actually let them teach YOU, then you can learn everything you need to know.

love,
Geoff.
Thank you all for your warm welcome.
Eventhough the Imam Mahdi is mention in Islam
and that I am a moslem myself,
please do not think that I am insisting that
my religion is therefore the best and perfect.

As Islam by itself does teaches a high tolerance between religions,
and does NOT encourage one to persuade other non-moslem to convert to Islam against their own will.

I believe that ALL religions have the same teachings of spreading love and peace. And I also do believe that Imam Mahdi (or Monjoronson)
will come NOT to just support one religion... but all religion and faith in God.

I just want to know... if this Monjoronson is the same as the Imam Mahdi... and thank you George for answering this question.

In the ubook, they discussed much about Jesus...
so I just thought, that they could also give me a more insight about my own religion.

As I said before, I am not a fanatic...
and my knowledge about my religion is just skin-deep.
And I am purely curious about what The Midwayers think about Mohammed the Prophet as they have said great things about Jesus.

I guess I'm just more spiritual than religious :)

PS. Please excuse my poor English :P

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Post by Judy » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:54 pm

George,

"Is Monjoronson the Imam Mahdi, the moslems think or not? >>>

Almost certainly.

He is also sometimes called "The Beloved One".

Same Avatar, or Paradised-based Individual."



Your last response gives me chills, the good kind.
Love-Judy.........M.
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Post by George » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:43 pm

Hi there dear Judy,

<<< Your last response gives me chills, the good kind. >>>

We tend to get wrapped up in names. They are not particular at all, and there is no conflict between the name Monjoronson and Imam Mahdi (Messiah).

Back in 2001 we talked to one of Monjoronson's future entourage and asked his name.

He said the name 'George' would do for him... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ...as long as we provided him with his own chair for the next meeting.
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Post by Geoff » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:54 pm

Dear Snookie,
As I said before, I am not a fanatic...
and my knowledge about my religion is just skin-deep.
And I am purely curious about what The Midwayers think about Mohammed the Prophet as they have said great things about Jesus.
Well you possibly do not know that the Christ that the Urantia Book describes is not the orthodox Christian belief. To begin with Jesus is not God, not part of the "trinity" and his death does not save Christians or anyone else from the effect of their sin. In essence it completely destroys the very foundation of orthodox Christianity. I say that so if you find it critical of Islam, you will understand nothing survives the withering analysis of the angels. When it comes to God, we don't seem to get it, at least from a religious perspective. Too much human input into the God business it seems.

Here is a search term with the word islam:

Islam in the Urantia Book (links no longer allowed)

It brings up this quote:
The strength of Islam has been its clear-cut and well-defined presentation of Allah as the one and only Deity; its weakness, the association of military force with its promulgation, together with its degradation of woman. But it has steadfastly held to its presentation of the One Universal Deity of all, "who knows the invisible and the visible. He is the merciful and the compassionate." "Truly God is plenteous in goodness to all men." "And when I am sick, it is he who heals me." "For whenever as many as three speak together, God is present as a fourth," for is he not "the first and the last, also the seen and the hidden"?

love,
Geoff.
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Post by Guest » Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:42 am

It's great to be gifted with a near photographic memory.
I have no idea what you are talking about...and I'm not trying to be facetious. Really. I don't.

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Post by nasra1996 » Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:37 pm

Hi everyone....

I still get them cellestial messsages now and then sent to my email, i got this one today, recieved by Mr George Barnard... :) regarding the present conflict in the middle east.. just thought i would paste it here, incase anyone is interested.....


From: List Op
Date: 07/28/06 14:24:30
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Subject: [11:11 Progress List] -- Primary Midwayer Andréa -- Every Brick That Is Baked

Illawarra District, Australia, July 24, 2006.
*Primary Midwayer Andréa.
*Subject: “Every Brick That Is Baked.” (shortened transmission).
Received by George Barnard.

*George:* “Spoken and recorded, or
unspoken, each of my transmissions begins with a prayer. Creator
Father, we are asking for a clear channel so that we shall hear, and
not miss a word of our dear friend of old. Amen.” *Andréa: *“She is
aware of every brick that is baked. She is aware of every building
that is built. It is the outer surface of the planet--her skin--that
is decorated to mankind’s needs. She bemoans the unnecessary
destruction that takes place. She is Urantia. “My dear little brother
and sister, it is good to be with you in these busy times. So many of
us are presently occupied in a place where one might say, ‘all hell
has broken loose.’ Where you are, there is little that you can do but
pray. Together with us, pray for those who have lost their children in
this conflagration. Together with your Midwayer Friends, and all the
Angels, pray for the little ones that have lost their parents. “Pray,
too, for the Supreme who sees her body scarred; her bridges ruined,
her beautiful buildings destroyed in these wanton acts of
destruction. “My visit to you is short, my time with you is short. It
is human free will that reins out of control, and yet, without your
free will prerogatives you would simply be marionettes, and no
credits would be earned by those who do what is right. And yes, no
doubtful karma would be accumulated by those who cause the
devastation. “Free will prerogatives are not negotiable, and yet,
together with you, we are sad, and watching the destruction, as the
war efforts escalate, as more and more become hurt, emotionally
damaged, and desperate in this so troubled part of the world. We have
long awaited an end to these wearisome times, and we now pray that
Celestial intervention may be possible at some early stage. “This is
Andréa. My love goes to you all. That is all.” *George: *Thank you
Andréa. We love you.” *© **11:11 Progress Group.
She is aware of every brick that is baked.
She is Urantia.



With Love

Sarah xxxx

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Post by Morning Light » Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:55 pm

Hi Sarah!
Isn't it beautiful!! It mirrors my own thoughts and feelings so perfectly that it caused me to wonder if I had been receiving similar information subconsciously.

Big Hugs!
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Post by nasra1996 » Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:23 pm

Hiya Morninglight...

I paste it and it turns up on the board...

Never mind... :roll: ... :D

Love Sarah xxxx

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Post by AJ » Fri Jul 28, 2006 9:34 pm

That is Ok Sarah.

We can talk about it on this spot unlike the other. What a message. All I can say to the celestials is....hurry! This seems to be spiraling way out of control.
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Post by nasra1996 » Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:00 pm

Hi all:

Yes you have a point there AJ, we read these cellestial messages, but can never comment on them afterwards, perhaps we should start a new thread on cellestial messages.... good idea !!! oh well lets wait for the next one to be delivered by Redshift... :) I do love these messages, sometimes they can be so personal or fit my mood of the day, more often than not...

from the message:
We have
long awaited an end to these wearisome times, and we now pray that
Celestial intervention may be possible at some early stage.
How would the cellestials intervene, i cannot imagine????? and yes it is terribly out of control now.... i dont think they will stop this time....


With Love

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Post by George » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:58 am

Hi All,

The Celestial Messages are on a closed forum because someone with an interest in 'selling' a fundamentalist religion, hatred for some race, a political view, or pornography turns up every second or third day.

They are designated 'mulligrubs' who take the Celestial Messages forum by preference.

More importantly, most of the 11:11 receivers also do visit the board. These are sensitive people, mostly, and some have only the audible aspect of transmitting messages, and can be put off for life with harsh criticism.

Personally I don't have that problem. I see my Celestial Teachers better than I hear them, covered three strands -- 9 years -- of psychology to generally know where the mulligrubs are coming from.

I can clean out mulligrubs every day of the year and go right on receiving Celestial messages. It comes with tenure. Without it, this board would long ago have been wrecked. So, yes, leave it to RedShift, and just post the URL, I suggest.

God bless....
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Post by Geoff » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:56 am

Andrea wrote:We have long awaited an end to these wearisome times, and we now pray that Celestial intervention may be possible at some early stage.
If Andrea is praying for the right for Celestials to intervene, I suggest it's something that can happen, and I suggest we all pray for the same thing. Stop the war by stopping the technology from working. That would give them all a fright. Imagine if both sides fired away, and nothing happened.

love,
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Post by George » Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:53 am

It can happen, and does.

This in a small way for humankind -- in a big way for the individual. Now we need a fully-fledged miracle.

If you PM me, I'll send you a writing called "You must wait" -- one of those intervention scenarios.

God bless....
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Post by Gai*11 » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:13 am

Lets pray our hearts out everybody...

Love,
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Post by Petra Wilson » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:20 am

Yes. I have been, every day, more than once.

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Post by Redshift » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:29 pm

Geoff wrote:
Andrea wrote:We have long awaited an end to these wearisome times, and we now pray that Celestial intervention may be possible at some early stage.
If Andrea is praying for the right for Celestials to intervene, I suggest it's something that can happen, and I suggest we all pray for the same thing. Stop the war by stopping the technology from working. That would give them all a fright. Imagine if both sides fired away, and nothing happened.

love,
Geoff.
It would be amazing if that happened Geoff! I will certainly pray for that.

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Post by AJ » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:34 pm

I often wonder what it would really take for the world to wake up and stop fighting. Unfortunately the only conclussion I can think of would be a major global disaster much bigger than the tsunami last year that would make the whole world stop what they are doing, wake up, and look to truly help one another. I guess this would be possible but would come as a huge loss of life here on the planet. I can honestly say that if I had to be one that died in some kind of huge global tragedy but then knew that it would change the world in which we live, then I would happily give up my life.

We hear about possible situations almost daily that could kill billions and lead to this; the bird flu, global warming and melting of greenland or antarctica, a pole shift, solar radiation flare, major earthquakes and many others. I do not really know if any of this would work it is just me brainstorming about what it would take for the world to truly wake up.
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Post by nasra1996 » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:04 pm

Hi Aj... :)

I think even if we were all marooned on a desert island with 10 people left in the world...we would still find something to fight over...just our nature... :D

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Post by nasra1996 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 1:11 am

Hi, i was browsing through this thread and i missed this:

Geoff:
Is Monjoronson the Imam Madhi? Well if what the Quran is describing is a Magisterial Son, then yes that is who he is. But I have heard the Quran does not mention the Imam Madhi. It's only in more recent texts?

I very much doubt that Monjoronson will set one religion up against another. So for him to comment on that is not something I would expect. But he also has many names, and is probably expected in many places.
Hi just a few corrections: :) .... Mahdi is not mentioned in the Quran, and he was not an after thought or invention of some scholar after Prophet Muhammads passing... Mahdi is mentioned by Prophet Muhammad in his sayings, called the Hadith.. it is a large collection of his own words.. apparently inspired by revelation delivered by cellestials ..., The Quran is viewed differently, muslims believe it is a direct revelation from God himself, his very own words....in a book... So Mahdi, was foretold by cellestials... or Midwayers, not God or anyone else... :)

Mahdi will establish a new religion for all to follow, not a new Islam... I read even Muslims will not accept him because they will initially think he is against them...and they will even try to fight him... He will apparently be joined by Jesus later.... I read yesterday in a book that he will defeat the Romans... no one knows what that means, who would be the romans of today... it doesnt mean Italy...

I think they do sound quite similar, but does the U.book or padgett mention what Monjoronson will do when he arrives here, will he bring peace or will he struggle to bring it...eventually.. do the books mention any detail of his return, like where he will arrive etc....????

With Love Sarah.....xxxxx

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Post by Geoff » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:31 am

Dear Sarah,
I think they do sound quite similar, but does the U.book or padgett mention what Monjoronson will do when he arrives here, will he bring peace or will he struggle to bring it...eventually.. do the books mention any detail of his return, like where he will arrive etc....????
Padgett never ever talks about Celestials at all. If you read that book only, you might think there are no angels.

The Ubook does talk about Magisterial Sons, but not in any great detail about what they do. He is here to lead us to Light and Life. In that journey, we will have to change, he will only tell us what we should do.

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Post by Starik » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:23 am

Hello everybody!
George, I read Brenda's story (the one with the gun...). I had missed that one. It was so impressing!!! :o It 's 40 degrees celcious here in Athens (very hot!) and I was feeling cold as I was reading the story :o Wow!

I was also touched by Andrea 's message. I 'm so sad about the war. :cry: I pray people will let love fill their hearts. I think love is the only solution to this madness. I know that a lot of people pray for this. That gives me a comfort since I know that in this way our prayers are more powerful :)

With love,
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Post by George » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:33 am

Elina writes:

<<< I was also touched by Andrea 's message. I 'm so sad about the war. >>>

Indeed, so am I. I try not to let it interfere, but some days it turns me upside down, and I don't hear a thing in meditation.

Yes, prayers is all we have.

Hugs....

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Post by Moebishop » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:15 pm

Nasra1996 wrote
I read yesterday in a book that he will defeat the Romans... no one knows what that means, who would be the romans of today... it doesnt mean Italy...
How about Roman Catholics and all other hierarchical religious organizations? Maybe it means that all man-made religions will eventually fall and be replaced by more personal and spiritual approaches.
If you look around, I think that it's already happening if you take this forum, and many others, as evidence. From what I can percieve, attendence is down in many churches... ... in Canada anyway. The youth especially seem to be turning away from organized religion. And I don't think it has anything to do with our society becoming more amoral... just more people, in many cases, turning away from the status quo and seeking more palatable and personal alternatives.
Remember that we are part of the correcting times... why seek God through intermediaries and religious representatives when a direct connection is achievable by all?

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