Meredith Tenney talks to Monjoronson (2)

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Meredith Tenney talks to Monjoronson (2)

Post by George » Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:43 am

Thank you Meredith Tenney for allowing the 11:11 Progress Group to post your follow-up transmission of September 10, 2005.

MONJORONSON:
Well my daughter, let us begin together again. Already I am coming to know you. Already you are beginning to recognize my spirit presence. There is great joy for me in coming to know you better. Know that my interest in communicating through you is not simply altruistic. Although I am glad that you can practice learning to transcribe through these exercises together, I am even more interested in getting to know you personally, and affording you an opportunity to know me. It was this part of your request that I could not resist. What elder brother is not heartened by a request to spend time with their youngest family members? Remember the day Jesus spent in the hills with the boy Mark? So it is, Mer, that I look forward to my time with you.

Your capacity to hear me clearly in this medium will grow with practice, and it is a very useful talent to learn which will be of service to all of us on this side of the veil. Know that I look forward to getting to know you better in the flesh, and that it is by learning to spend time with me now that you will come to recognize my spirit energy and identify me more clearly later. The members of the Magisterial Mission staff have a special need to be able to recognize our spiritual presence, since it is to these individuals that we will naturally come first.

There is confusion on your world about our arrival. It has been said that we are on the ground. This is true in the wider sense, as we will soon become visible for short periods of time to you mortals with 'eyes to see, and ears to hear' but we are not yet physically walking the planet. That transition is yet to come. We celestials are growing in our capacity to reach out to you mortals and to understand as well as be understood by you. This period of transition is important to traverse cautiously, since each one of you is a cherished child to us, and we would not precipitate fear, or mental disturbance in any of you by over rapid change.

Please affirm that my mission has begun in earnest, and that which has recently been announced is the onset of a new visible phase of Machiventa's unfolding plan. My mission has already passed through several phases. First we gave you the Urantia Book that you might know who we are. Then we gave you invisible teachers that you might grow increasingly comfortable with communicating with us. Next we will become visible in morontial form for short periods of time, and ultimately, when we feel you are ready, we will arrive in physical form to stay. What seems like a long time to you, seems a fairly rapid transition to us. We are delighted with the progress many of you have made in allowing for the possibility of our actual physical presence on the planet.

(Meredith) Q: You have asked me to learn how to TR. What other morontial blending skills would you like us to learn?

MONJORONSON: We have a great interest in helping you grow in your awareness that we are always with you and utterly reliable in our assistance to you in the tasks you have been assigned whether you can actually visualize us or not. Father is truly omnipotent. Wherever you are, whatever you are doing, you are securely held within his hands and his assistance is available to you. It is only a matter or recognizing that and learning to work with us, to accomplish great things.

(Meredith) Q: How long will it be before you arrive here in the flesh to remain as a permanent presence?

MONJORONSON: The answer to your question is not known implicitly by any of us yet. We are working with a certain time frame which leads us to hope within 5-7 years we will be able to arrive in physical form and remain, however many changes on your planet will have to transpire before we can know for sure whether that timetable will be feasible.

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Post by AJ » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:09 pm

Many changes? I wonder if these are natural changes or inner changes?

In any case, these two messages made me smile as wide as I could smile!

As soon as I read them I could feel my stomach jumping around and was filled with warmth.

This truly is an exciting time and I could not agree more that women should be a huge part in the changes to come. We have given men the chance to run things for thousands of years and look where that has gotten us. We are a violent, waring people where greed and ego seems to be the main focus. I am ready for a more loving, nurturing society and who better to bring us here than all the mothers of the world!

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Post by stones » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:07 pm

AJ, you said it perfectly for me :)

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Post by George » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:08 am

AJ writes:
This truly is an exciting time and I could not agree more that women should be a huge part in the changes to come. We have given men the chance to run things for thousands of years and look where that has gotten us. We are a violent, waring people where greed and ego seems to be the main focus. I am ready for a more loving, nurturing society and who better to bring us here than all the mothers of the world!
Look at it today. Look at the 11:11 Progress List. All our receiver guys are gals !!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Some might wear jeans, but I can tell. 8)

OK, there's George Barnard and he would sure find some Celestial each day, 7 days per week, twist his/her celestial arm and come up with a transmission each day, but it does not change the numbers.

The "nurturing" ladies have got it all over the "warring" guys. We'd be back in the caves if it wasn't for the females, no joke.

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Post by Chronis » Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:30 am

Yeah, thanks to the ladies for keeping us guys somewhat civilized!

I'd like to suggest that our progress is evidence that women have always been in undisputable control of certain aspects of a society or tribe (like with lions, males compete and put on a show but females -run- the show), but that recently we have developed new ways of corrupting this control, bending it to serve the purposes of the machine or the system. Never before in our history has man had such ability to usurp woman's God-given societal controls and have a man or machine direct/abuse them without anyone really realizing how it's done or even that it's happening.

Personally, I shudder in repulsion to the particular idea of Hillary Clinton becoming the next US president (not because she's female, but I think women are not Completely immune to corruption or being mislead, and that Hillary's an example), but I would generally like the idea of responsable, realistic women running things they'd be better suited for than men... for example I can think of one case where it would've been nice if a qualified and authoritative woman had decided that the quest for military domination on the other side of the globe is overrated, as opposed to Bush etc. deciding that it's absolutely necessary to maintain at all costs and worsening the situation by invading... that one country.

Let us not forget that many women enjoy or wish for some kinds of domination from man, and some will even make men fight "over" her and win a decisive contest of violence, for her. In light of these, I do not think woman wishes for man to remove his very manhood and hand it to her, so let's not be Unreasonably hostile to the male gender? ; ) Don't throw out the baby with the bath water, now!

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Post by NALA » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:56 am

George wrote:Look at the 11:11 Progress List. All our receiver guys are gals !!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Some might wear jeans, but I can tell. 8)
:bigsmurf:
Metaphysics 101: the masculine is active/projective, the feminine is passive/receptive.

:bounce: :cyclopsani: :clown: :happy :tongue: :compress: :colors: :scratch: :hithere 'scuse me, but it is just so FUNNY. :clown: It was the "passive" part that tickled me. I hope my riotous laughter at my own joke wasn't too rude.

But, seriously...
Chronis wrote:many women enjoy or wish for some kinds of domination from man, and some will even make men fight "over" her and win a decisive contest of violence, for her. In light of these, I do not think woman wishes for man to remove his very manhood and hand it to her, so let's not be Unreasonably hostile to the male gender? ; ) Don't throw out the baby with the bath water, now!
He's right about that regrettable psychosocial illness that causes many women (and men) to prefer being dominated and led rather than accepting the responsibility that comes with free will.

*ahem* The image of a man removing his manhood and handing it over... well, that was a bit much. :roll: :wink:

I cannot help seeing a bit of defensiveness in Chronis's inferring hostility toward men from AJ's and George's loving approval of women.

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Post by Chronis » Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:29 am

Yes, I am defensive... But it is out of concern for you, and the rest of humanity, more than for my 'volatile male ego.' I am concerned that because our inherent sexuality is so poorly understood by most people, you may end up destorying your own sexuality by institution of a popular over-simplification of it. Maybe it doesn't matter, maybe we dont' need very different genders in the future...

I would like to explain why I don't think the label "illness" is appropriate in this context at all, but I doubt my audience would be very 'receptive.' Maybe more later.

-Chronis


addition via edit:

I retract any concerns or opinions, at this juncture, because realistically I am not an authority and *might* actually know squat about it. I have decided that this is not the time, if even the place, for me to make any such conclusions in such manners publicly! :o Except maybe that I'm still dubious about Ms. Clinton, and not because she's a woman.

Many apologies to AJ, Kathy, ladies, all.
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Post by AJ » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:21 pm

You don't have to apologize to me. I do not take offense to what others think or say. People who get upset over others ideals are the ones who have the problem. I believe that we are the ones in control of our own feelings and emotions and if we get upset then we allowed ourselves to get upset. There should not be anything that anyone says that should make you mad. Obviously there can be actions against you that could cause some anger but that is a different story now. All in all you have the right to your opinions and thoughts. No one can take those away. If what you express causes others to be angry then that is there problem to deal with and not your own.

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Post by NALA » Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:28 pm

AJ wrote:You don't have to apologize to me. I do not take offense to what others think or say. People who get upset over others ideals are the ones who have the problem. I believe that we are the ones in control of our own feelings and emotions and if we get upset then we allowed ourselves to get upset. There should not be anything that anyone says that should make you mad. Obviously there can be actions against you that could cause some anger but that is a different story now. All in all you have the right to your opinions and thoughts. No one can take those away. If what you express causes others to be angry then that is there problem to deal with and not your own.
Precisely. We're as responsible for our feelings as for any other aspect of our lives.
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Post by Nuekaya » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:05 pm

News of Monjoronson is of utmost interest to me can we please stick to the subject here.
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Post by Mati » Sat Oct 15, 2005 12:43 am

Transcending the ego is the greatest challenge. When looking at myself I see the inevitable tendency to speak of.. myself. And are we not all reflections of one another? Ah... ;)
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Post by George » Sat Oct 15, 2005 7:54 am

Mati writes:
Transcending the ego is the greatest challenge.
But what does it mean to transcend the ego. It was Samuel, I seem to recall, who spoke about the ego being essential, but needing to be "refined" as for the personality.... calling them necessary commodities.

http://www.1111angels.net/old_files/E_A ... ist280.htm is it, saying the Creator does not take back what He gives.

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Re: Meredith Tenney talks to Monjoronson (2)

Post by stones » Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:34 am

MONJORONSON: We have a great interest in helping you grow in your awareness that we are always with you and utterly reliable in our assistance to you in the tasks you have been assigned whether you can actually visualize us or not. Father is truly omnipotent. Wherever you are, whatever you are doing, you are securely held within his hands and his assistance is available to you. It is only a matter or recognizing that and learning to work with us, to accomplish great things.
That truly struck me to the core of my being!

Lately, after having a struggle or two with trust or anything that would put away my Peace and trust I have been getting the thought, "why did you struggle with this instead of opening to the celestial help that is present to you?"

I do have hope that I will realize this much more often than not.

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Post by Geoff » Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:36 am

Dear george,
But what does it mean to transcend the ego
I think what it means is to put others first, just as one Joshua ben Joseph was want to say.

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Post by George » Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:45 am

Hi Bro Geoff,

Too many people do believe in the extinction of the personality and the extinction of the ego with it. Samuel corrected that and called it "refined" on both scores, and that might be the closest thing to "transcend", I guess, if it means putting "the greatest need" first.

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Post by Geoff » Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:48 am

George wrote:Hi Bro Geoff,

Too many people do believe in the extinction of the personality and the extinction of the ego with it. Samuel corrected that and called it "refined" on both scores, and that might be the closest thing to "transcend", I guess, if it means putting "the greatest need" first.

God bless....
Yes its a new age thing, but I think Joshua be Joseph was closer the truth.

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Post by Mati » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:46 am

hi Guys,

By looking at myself and the world aound me I hypothesize that at its purest the ego, without its counterpart in knowledge and experience, wants to act in a purely selfish manner. By 'transcending the ego' I thus simply mean the task of striking a delicate balance between the needs of the self and the needs of the community. Perhaps the post would have been better served had I used alternate wording.

I'm with both of you. Dear George I completely agree that the ego is essential to me as a being and I certainly do not wish to relinquish it nor compromise it. I also believe it is important to recognize as Geoff points to have the capacity to in the appropriate times "put the greatest need first"/ "to put others first".

Thus, transcending the ego aka finding the perfect balance is the challenge I speak of.

But that was not really the purpose of my post- it was meant to simply (and "beautifully"- if my ego may add ;-) ) illustrate that we often act based on the need to be heard, even if off topic. It was a commentary to the fact of how often these posts seem to go off topic, especially when it is of a certain importance, and how we also find the need to set eachother straight. Really- a commentary on our nature as humans.

Now, let me ask something that I think is on topic.
Since I have had the oppotunity to slowly become more acquainted with the messages from Monjoronson I would like to humbly ask something that is very confusing to me: why is there a disconnect between what is posted here and on tmarchives.com?

Are there two Monjoronsons? Is one group doing a better job of understanding Him than another? I do have to say that if it was a democratic vote I would vote for the Monjoronson channelled by the 11:11 Progress Group - better PR agent maybe? That opinion is based really on incomplete info and one post in particular that really got my "headgears" turning. I simply am unable to envision a Missionary of God Almighty saying things such as:
"Those who can not or will not make the transition may choose to leave the planet by various means. The time of remaining neutral or ignorant of our existence is drawing to a close. Individuals will now be forced to choose: awareness (awakening) and Life, or the alternative, which leads to death of the body."
http://www.tmarchives.com/transcript_fr ... p?tid=3537

For one- Celestial's knowledge of our human psychology, which no doubt is more substantial than mine, should precipitate a forecast that some readers will make the connection between such speak and a image of a Medieval conqueror standing with an army at the city walls warning the inhabitants that if they do not surrender to the idea of the army moving in or quickly move to another city (by means unknown!) they will be killed.

So, from the bottom of my heart, please forgive me for my confusion.

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Post by George » Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:31 am

Mati wrote:

<<< I'm with both of you. Dear George I completely agree that the ego is essential to me as a being and I certainly do not wish to relinquish it nor compromise it. I also believe it is important to recognize as Geoff points to have the capacity to in the appropriate times "put the greatest need first"/ "to put others first". >>>

This is my Teach, Samuel, on Ego and Personality.

http://www.1111angels.net/old_files/E_A ... ist280.htm

<<< Are there two Monjoronsons? Is one group doing a better job of understanding Him than another? I do have to say that if it was a democratic vote I would vote for the Monjoronson channelled by the 11:11 Progress Group - better PR agent maybe? That opinion is based really on incomplete info and one post in particular that really got my "headgears" turning. I simply am unable to envision a Missionary of God Almighty saying things such as: >>>

Thoughts of a similar nature came to me when I read that. Quite a few guys posted me that transmit... questioning. Well, we make mistakes, too. I sent out a transmit of Dr. Mendoza, and he told me later, "I did not say that. Well it was "out there," so what could I do? Then Bzutu said, "I said that! We were both there!" I'd not even noticed the Chief.

What to do? He said, "The message is what counts. We are each other at our Spiritual Root Source." Sure! It's still on my mind, frequently, tho.

I agree with you, Mati. That transmit...

<<< "Those who can not or will not make the transition may choose to leave the planet by various means. The time of remaining neutral or ignorant of our existence is drawing to a close. Individuals will now be forced to choose: awareness (awakening) and Life, or the alternative, which leads to death of the body." >>>

... is a little worrying, maybe off. :cry: Receiver pushing the boundaries?

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Post by Geoff » Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:58 am

Dear Mati,
Are there two Monjoronsons? Is one group doing a better job of understanding Him than another? I do have to say that if it was a democratic vote I would vote for the Monjoronson channelled by the 11:11 Progress Group - better PR agent maybe? That opinion is based really on incomplete info and one post in particular that really got my "headgears" turning.
Well, no transmission can be perfect, and certainly some receivers are far better than others. In our case, George performs an independent quality control. In this he is aided by Bzutu et al. In the case of TmArchives, that is a submission from a group. There is no additional QA. Having QA is not without it's problems, as we have had receivers go off in a huff, taking a number of our workers with them. But George (with my 100% support) would not post stuff he considered beyond the pale. That's his prime role in our group. Along with all the other prime stuff. :lol:

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Post by George » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:18 am

Recently a transmit went out from us, and it really put me in a tough spot, that one -- great transmit, though. It was an obvious part TA, part Teacher transmit... but where on earth was the break between the TA's input and the Teacher's? I couldn't find it. It was kinda diffuse.

It was given to the Teacher... outright! Go figure! :shock:

The TA stepped back, simply because He/She is from the All That IS, and "owns" the lot, anyway. :wink:

It was a new one on me. The TA, prepersonal, is ALL humility.

God bless....
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BTW. It is only some 4 years ago when people were still arguing about TA transmissions being possible. Right now I have some 800 unpublished ones here. A veritable treasure trove!

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Post by abdhi » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:03 pm

Dear Mati, Geoff, & George,

Thanks so much for posting about that "other" Monjoronson transmit. When I had read that transmission I had the same thoughts/concerns but didn't question anyone about it. I really should have because it was "nagging" at me. Thanks Mati for posting here and thanks Geoff & George for your opinions. It's comforting to hear others thoughts on the subject.(Particularly since they are in alignment with mine! Is that my ego talking? he he!)

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Post by George » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:39 am

Hello dear Wendy,

We're human and we will make mistakes, but I would personally try to not even upset the "other Monjoronson" receiver by questioning the veracity of the statement, or the depth of his/her trance state.

Receivers tend to be sensitive, and a single dispute can undo their confidence for weeks on end, even bring an end to their contributions. I've known too many of the best channelers, demoralized for good, that ended up wasted resources.

It's human to err, even more human to forget we are all fallable, and come down hard on the one who may have failed. As a therapist, one is reduced to asking questions, not making statements, and most times it is best to knock one's tongue out of gear, and leave it in neutral.

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Post by Mati » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:33 am

George and Geoff, thank you very much for the clarifications, They do put my mind more at ease. Wendy- thank you for the reinforcement- I am glad that you also found some spiritual peace in this question being addressed. I did as well.

George writes:
"It's human to err, even more human to forget we are all fallable, and come down hard on the one who may have failed. As a therapist, one is reduced to asking questions, not making statements, and most times it is best to knock one's tongue out of gear, and leave it in neutral. "
I totally agree. I hope to learn to practice it more often in my own writing.

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Post by George » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:53 am

Hi Mati,

FYI. I'm more than pleased you picked up on "the other Monjoronson" because I know that if I'd done so, another war might well break out. :rambo:

Some years ago I got a transmit from a receiver and Teacher that was a right old mess of dyslexia -- from the human co-creator to be sure :lol: -- and one of the Midwayers and I found all the back-to-front bits and the result was just great. :thumright: A lovely transmission.

THEN.... I sent it out in a doc, and unfortunately the original was still there below the real thing as it was taught by the Celestial. It took two years for me to be forgiven by some. :( :cry:

Finally, Michael came through, saying, "Your words will always be mine." That shocked me some. I'd been rather explicit in my utterings the previous day. :evil:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by AJ » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:37 pm

Why are there wars George with all of this? I would think that anyone involved with Monjoronson or Michael would be happy to find common ground, keep their egos in check, and not look to fight over things?
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