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The trinity

Post by ofek » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:32 pm

it talks about it on pg. 6
i dont really understand it who is the son and what is the infinite spirit?
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Re: The trinity

Post by Paul » Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:22 pm

Dear Ofek,

Each part of the Trinity has a role to play. These three have never had a beginning. No matter how far back into the distant past you would go you would always find these three in existence. The Heavenly Father is the thought-god. Whatever He thinks to be it becomes so. He can turn potential into actual even if that potential will not be fulfilled for many eons.

This First Source and Center has divested Himself of everything that He could divest Himself of, except for one thing. He is the Creator of all personalities. This Creator of all personalities has a personality circuit. As a gift to His mortal children He has bestowed upon them a piece of Himself as a pre-personal entity. Us humans are the ones that give to this pre-personal entity personality. That means that we have an entity with all the information of the eternal past existent within it. Our Creator has purposed to unite a piece of Himself with the creatures of time. When we elect to do the Father's will we become fused with that piece of the Eternal One. That fusion may not take place for a long time, but the First Source and Center looks upon that as an event that has already happened.

These Father fragments have preordained our path to Paradise. When we die and go to the mansion worlds our Destiny Guardians will give us several optional routes that we may choose that will eventually end with us on Paradise in the presence of our Eternal One. The Father fragments are here to become one with us and to lead us back home. Home to our Eternal Father that dwells on Paradise.

Eons ago, when the central universe was already in existence with the Paradise sphere and the billion perfect spheres of Havona a plan went forth. There were already existing trillions of perfect beings of Havona. Each planet or sphere of the one billion spheres of Havona had an Eternal of Days that ruled over its own sphere. Each sphere was unique and perfect and reflected the tastes of that particular Eternals of Days. The trillions of beings that were created on these spheres were created in perfection. They did not have to go through a long process towards perfection. They were created perfect. The First Source and Center had something up His sleeve. He purposed to bring into existence trillions of other beings that started out in imperfection and immaturity. These beings would be created outside the central universe and would find their homes in the time space realms of the physical universe. At some distant time these perfect beings would be working together with these perfected beings in the outer universes of time and space.

Before the existence of the physical universe was a reality, the Eternal One made this proclamation to all His immature creatures: "Be ye perfect as I am perfect." This mandate went forth and then the Eternal Son sprang into action. The Eternal Son is the second person of the trinity and if there were to be countless trillions of perfecting beings coming home to Paradise they would need some help. This Eternal Son is the First Son, the first absolute expression of the Eternal One, the first absolute personality. The Eternal Son had a spirit circuit that would guide the incoming pilgrims to Paradise. Just as physical gravity holds us firmly to this earth and pulls us downward, the Eternal Son's spirit circuit pulls us inward towards the Paradise Father.

The Eternal Son and the Eternal Father worked together in creating 700,000 Creator Sons. These Creator Sons would be taught for eons about how to organize and create their own physical domains. After eons of time these Creator Sons would be sent out to select the physical universe of their choice and then the development of it would begin in earnest. Architectural spheres would be made and then the physical planets would be made ripe for life and the implantation of human life and other forms of physical life would begin.

The Eternal Son also worked together with the Infinite Spirit to create the Avonal Sons. These divine Sons are the mercy ministers of the universe. We have our mercy minister here sent from Paradise by the Eternal Son to assist Michael to make this earth a planet that reflects the light of the Father and the mercy of the Eternal Son. If Love is the epitome of the Eternal One, than mercy is the epitome of the Eternal Son. Mercy is love in application.

In addition to the help of the Creator Sons and Avonal Sons there are the Trinity Teacher Sons. These Divine beings come to dwell on a physical planet when that planet reaches a certain stage of spiritual evolution. They are the teacher sons of divine precepts and advancing spiritual values. One day we will have the Trinity Teacher Sons visit us here on Urantia.

The Infinite Spirit is the God of action. When the thought god and the word god had advanced their formulations for a new physical universe this Infinite Spirit sprang into action and began to create some beings with the assistance of the Eternal Son and some beings on his own. He is the God of service or ministry. If mortals such as you and I were to be created, we would need help. When a Creator Son was created by the First Source and Center and the Eternal Son, this Infinite Spirit created a perfect complement, a partner. This partner is the daughter spirit, the spirit partner of our Creator Son, Nebadonia. Michael and Nebadonia are partners forever. They are forever in association to create and develop beings of all sorts that will reflect the will and the love of the Father.

Our Daughter Spirit has also created many beings with Michael's help. There are are all sorts of angelic beings that have been created to help us mere mortals on the ascension to the Father. These beings are the ministers of time and space. For us, we are given a destiny guardian when we reach a certain level of spiritual attainment. These angelic beings help us to become more like the Father. They help us to live through those tough experiences which will result in a person that is increasingly becoming like the Father. When we die we will meet our Seraphic guardians and they will accompany us to Paradise where our Father dwells.

So, my friend, the various members of the trinity have created certain beings that would reveal to their creatures a certain aspect of that trinity. When we examine the life of our Creator Son it is like we are examining the life of the Paradise Father. He has been revealed to us through the actual living of our Creator Son. The Avonal Son, Monjoronson, is revealing to us the personality of the Eternal Son by living a life of mercy and helping us to live lives of mercy. And finally we learn about the Infinite Spirit by examining the lives of his many ministers. We learn to become service oriented to our brothers and sisters. Our Daughter Spirit, Nebadonia, is one way of discovering that Infinite Spirit. We also discover that one through the many angelic beings that have been created to lead us home, home to our Father in Paradise.

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Re: The trinity

Post by ofek » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:40 pm

wow, Thank you so much
But i have a few more questions now. It makes it sounds like there are multiple gods which isnt true, so is the thought God and the word God just one God? or is it one God seperated into 2 beings? im kinda confused
And do we know who is the eternal son? And was Michael one of the 700,000 creator sons created by the Eternal father and the Eternal Son?
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Re: The trinity

Post by Paul » Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:36 pm

Dear Ofek,

Each member of the trinity is separate and unique. They each have a unique personality and perspective. You could say that they are all divine beings. They are God with a capital G. As I wrote in the earlier post, each member of the trinity has a particular task or focus.

When we pray our prays end up in the grasp of the Eternal One, our Paradise Father. If you pray to Michael, thinking that he is the Heavenly Father, that prayer will still be directed to the Eternal One. Michael made it plain that he is a son of God. But he is God of our local system of Nebadon. All prayers and spiritual values are lodged in the Eternal Son's spirit circuit and they find their way to the Eternal Father.

Michael is one of the 700,000 Creator Sons that were created many ages ago. Michael came to our region of space about 400 billion years ago. About a million years after that he began to create the architectural worlds. Salvington was the first of the worlds to be built. That is Michael's home sphere and the exact geographic center of Nebadon. Although there are no more Creator Son's being formed now, there will be other Creator Sons formed in the far distant future.

All of these beings are formed because we are finite creatures. We cannot understand an infinite beings, such as our Eternal Father. But we can attain him through downgraded steps. We find the Father through God the sevenfold. Note what the UB states:

VIII. GOD THE SEVENFOLD

0:8.1 To atone for finity of status and to compensate for creature limitations of concept, the Universal Father has established the evolutionary creature's sevenfold approach to Deity:
1. The Paradise Creator Sons.
2. The Ancients of Days
3. The Seven Master Spirits.
4. The Supreme Being.
5. God the Spirit.
6. God the Son.
7. God the Father.

0:8.2 This sevenfold Deity personalization in time and space and to the seven superuniverses enables mortal man to attain the presence of God, who is spirit. This sevenfold Deity, to finite time-space creatures sometime power-personalizing in the Supreme Being, is the functional Deity of the mortal evolutionary creatures of the Paradise-ascension career. Such an experiential discovery-career of the realization of God begins with the recognition of the divinity of the Creator Son of the local universe and ascends through the superuniverse Ancients of Days and by way of the person of one of the Seven Master Spirits to the attainment of the discovery and recognition of the divine personality of the Universal Father on Paradise.

Let's take each one of these separately. The Creator Sons are at the local universe stage. Each Creator Son represents a part of the trinity. Our Creator Son Michael revealed to humans what the will of the Paradise Father is. The Creator Sons are the first of God the sevenfold. Through their lives they reveal to their creatures a particular part of the trinity. When we look at the life of Jesus Christ, Christ Michael we are looking at the life and the will of our Father. Jesus's life is the first step in our process to discover the Eternal One.

I will add more later.

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Paul

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Re: The trinity

Post by Paul » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:29 am

Dear Ofek,

The Ancients of Days are spirit beings that are created by the Paradise trinity. There are seven superuniverses that are presided over by three Ancients of Days. Since they are created by the Paradise trinity they display the combined wills of the Eternal Father, the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit to their respective universes.

These twenty one Ancients of Days are vicegerents over the seven superuniverses. They are vicegerents because their rulership is substitutionary at the moment. They are ruling until all the seven superuniverses are living in light and life. When this happens God the Supreme will begin his rule. You see Ofek, just as our Creator Son had to earn his right to rule as a sovereign over his local universe through experiential progress, so God the Supreme will earn his right rule over the seven superuniverses as a result of his experiential progress.

As we desire to do the will of the Paradise Father this contributes to the growth of God the Supreme. God The Supreme is the Experiential God created by our Paradise Father. Us finite beings have trouble even understanding a glimpse of the eternal, the infinite. But our Infinite Paradise Father has solved that problem by creating this finite God. And the thing is Ofek is that we are actually contributing to the growth of God the Supreme through our spiritual thoughts, words and deeds. All these spiritual values become lodged in God the Supreme. They are stored there like you would store the world's knowledge and wisdom in a super massive library.

Here is what the UB has to say about God The Supreme:

Paper 117

GOD THE SUPREME



TO THE EXTENT that we do the will of God in whatever universe station we may have our existence, in that measure the almighty potential of the Supreme becomes one step more actual. The will of God is the purpose of the First Source and Center as it is potentialized in the three Absolutes, personalized in the Eternal Son, conjoined for universe action in the Infinite Spirit, and eternalized in the everlasting patterns of Paradise. And God the Supreme is becoming the highest finite manifestation of the total will of God.

117:0.2 If all grand universes should ever relatively achieve the full living of the will of God, then would the time-space creations be settled in light and life, and then would the Almighty, the deity potential of Supremacy, become factual in the emergence of the divine personality of God the Supreme.

117:0.3 When an evolving mind becomes attuned to the circuits of cosmic mind, when an evolving universe becomes stabilized after the pattern of the central universe, when an advancing spirit contacts the united ministry of the Master Spirits, when an ascending mortal personality finally attunes to the divine leading of the indwelling Adjuster, then has the actuality of the Supreme become real by one more degree in the universes; then has the divinity of Supremacy advanced one more step toward cosmic realization.

117:0.4 The parts and individuals of the grand universe evolve as a reflection of the total evolution of the Supreme, while in turn the Supreme is the synthetic cumulative total of all grand universe evolution. From the mortal viewpoint both are evolutionary and experiential reciprocals.

So Ofek, God the sevenfold is contributing to our understanding of the Infinite Father one step at a time. In this universe age we will only be able to understand the Infinite Father on finite levels. It won't be until we have finished this present universe age that we will peel back the onion to detect the next understanding of the Infinite Father as we discover God the Ultimate. Our Infinite Father is so complicated that it will take many universe ages until we can even approach an understanding of the infinite. However, that is what makes the adventure so exciting. Once we achieve one goal, another goal is awaiting around the bend. For eternity we will discover more and more about the Infinite One. Wow!

Love,
Paul

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Re: The trinity

Post by happy 1 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:21 am

Geetings ofek,
The foreward is a good place to learn meanings + terms which will be used throughout the book. For me it was like a dictionary. Even if you don't understand it in the begining, after you read the book over and over things will seem to unfold into some form of clarity. Remember the celestials are here to help you with any facinating wonder you express.
Now I fall into the catigory of pg 6.05. I'm almost always "confused" and of the "lowest" order. But I will let you in on my understanding of the trinity. The Father is God. The Eternal Son is his compliment. The Infanite Spirit is the action which is created by the Father + the Eternal Son. I say action even though the action becomes it's own self. Like in the movie Pay it Forward. The child started something good. Then the something kept on going. The action became it's own living thing!
We are told each has their own personality yet together they are the Trinity. As the Trinity they are explosive! The sum total is more than three. Father + Son + Spirit = bunches! infitite bunches! These are the kind of relationships we are looking for here, in our lives. Haven't you ever joined up with another or a group which together creates something more and better than you could do on your own?
Anyway, There are many Trinities in the diferent levels of heaven. Here on Earth we have the Father + the Son Christ Michael + The Spirit of Truth. The subtitle of this section is Reality and the 1st sentence states Reality, as comprehended by finite beings....(thats' you and me).....is partial, relative, and shadowy. Meaning we arn't supposed to get it today!
Part I of the U book is about the Executive Administation of Heaven. Very hard to understand. I hope you move around the book to topics that intrest you also.
I keep a dictionary close by. You might look up words like Spirit.

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