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I found these videos by Nigel Nunn very insightful. They explore the answers to the big questions, and compare the revealed cosmology of the Urantia Book to our current scientific understanding. I have previously contemplated some of these topics, such as how our Milky Way galaxy fits into the superuniverse. Some people in the Urantia Book community believe that the Milky Way is Orvonton, but Nigel suggests that it is one of the major sectors. This is more in line with my thoughts, though Nigel is far ahead of me in this area. This series of videos is a great resource for anyone trying to gain a greater understanding of the Urantia Book. They certainly helped me to connect a few dots, so I just thought I would share them. :idea:

Urantia Book 1: Universe Frames - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbutiy-vCKc

Urantia Book 2: The Personal Universe - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8w8pK44JAM

Urantia Book 3: A Family Affair - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB7GB_isujM

Urantia Book 4A: Science and Cosmology, Foundations - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerrvI4dLTQ

Urantia Book 4B1: Science and Cosmology, Mass and Matter Part 1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZurF1V81W8

Urantia Book 4B2: Science and Cosmology, Mass and Matter Part 2 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0uUliBfis

Urantia Book 4C: Science and Cosmology, Exploding Dark Islands - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8nAUKE0-OM

Urantia Book 4D: Science and Cosmology, Ancient Orvonton - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zUIgZF0f_U
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“In the not-distant future, new telescopes will reveal to the wondering gaze of Urantian astronomers no less than 375 million new galaxies in the remote stretches of outer space.” (UB, 12:2.3)

With the first image from the Webb near-infrared telescope being presented today, I thought it would be a good idea to add to this post. The image can be viewed here: https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/godd ... iverse-yet The published image shows thousands of galaxies in an area of the sky which would be covered by a grain of sand held at arms length. Talk about the Kingdom being like a mustard seed!

This image really helped me put the size of the universe into perspective. At first it actually made me laugh at how tiny we really are. And then the awe kicked in. Behind the larger galaxies are smaller and fainter galaxies. The size and brightness of the galaxy images are dependent upon their distance from us. Therefore, images like this could be used to show the existence of the quiescent zones between the outer space levels as revealed in the Urantia Book. That would be an interesting development.

Science aside, I zoomed in on one of the galaxies and told myself that I was going to go there someday. I suppose there’s no guarantee that I will ever make it there, but it is actually a realistic goal. Perhaps in eternity we will visit every world in every one of these galaxies. After all, there’ll be lots of time! 8)
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:bana: Interesting videos by Nigel Nunn!

I sampled a few and retained slightly more than "Zilch" information,
considering this advanced explanation of particle physics. :roll:

:idea: I suspect that man will keep getting closer to the totality
of the universe but never cross the boundary where material life
meets spiritual realities ... until human advances to spirit. ;)

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Wow... I hope to get to do more research here when my life settles a bit. so many exciting videos to pursue. I am beyond amazed and inspired when I look at the images coming from the new telescope. How can anyone deny the existence of an intelligence beyond our ability to understand behind the cosmos when viewing the extent and complexity of the universe as it is being revealed to us in increments.

Some day we will know so much more but how cool to think we will never ever stop learning... :bana: :bana: :bana:

Thanks Jonathon

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Yes, Rod, I think a Ph.D in particle physics or astronomy sure would come in handy to understand all this. I have some basic knowledge on these subjects, so I could comprehend a little of what he presents in these videos. His explanation of the origin of ultimatons (100 of which make up one electron) helped me to glimpse the spiritual underpinnings of the material universe. In the Urantia Book we learn that “The ultimaton, the first measurable form of energy, has Paradise as its nucleus.” (UB, 41:9.1) This one line has thrown me for a loop in trying to piece all this together. How could a subelectronic particle have the center of all creation as its nucleus? Try wrapping your head around that one, it can lead to some interesting places.

I also enjoyed the exploding dark islands of space video. The theory that black holes are actually former stars which have undergone ultimatonic condensation to become a sphere of ultimatons is very fascinating. This would mean that black holes are essentially enormous electrons which absorb all light making them look like holes. I suspect you are correct in saying that we truly are not able to fully understand the universe, since it has spiritual origins and we are material beings. But we can at least get a start on it.

Sandy, there are new photos from this telescope published now. I made an error in my previous post. I called it a near-infrared telescope. It is actually a near-infrared camera installed on the space telescope that takes these awe-inspiring photos. They inspired me to research more into our own galaxy, in both conventional science and in the Urantia Book. I have been struggling to find congruency between the two. It turned out to be a bit of a rabbit hole (or should I say wormhole?). Even the most advanced among us in these areas are only scratching the surface. But it is a worthy use of our time to contemplate these matters and humankind has come a long way in this field. Let’s hope that as we understand more about our universe, we will also come closer to recognizing its Maker.

”Through the realization of truth the appreciation of beauty leads to the sense of the eternal fitness of those things which impinge upon the recognition of divine goodness in Deity relations with all beings; and thus even cosmology leads to the pursuit of divine reality values—to God-consciousness.” (UB, 56:10.8).
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"The ultimaton, the first measurable form of energy, has Paradise as its nucleus." (UB, 41:9.1)

Re: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=17885&start=4425#p216650
(about iTandem geometry design in Paradise Trinity Day topic)

:sunflower: Interesting Cartesian symbolism ...

Pi exists only as relationship to a circle;
ultimaton exists as relationship to Paradise. 8)

:sunflower: Interesting spiral growth factor ....

In 360 degrees, both sqrt(Pi) and sqrt(2) increase/decrease by 16.

"Either sqrt(2) is transcendental or Pi is not." ;)


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:study: These paragraphs seems to describe Andromeda ...
with "stabilized, organized" and inhabited(?) the qualifications for inclusion in the "inhabited superuniverse":

"In the not-distant future, new telescopes will reveal to the wondering gaze of Urantian astronomers no less than 375 million new galaxies in the remote stretches of outer space. At the same time these more powerful telescopes will disclose that many island universes formerly believed to be in outer space are really a part of the galactic system of Orvonton. The seven superuniverses are still growing; the periphery of each is gradually expanding; new nebulae are constantly being stabilized and organized; and some of the nebulae which Urantian astronomers regard as extragalactic are actually on the fringe of Orvonton and are traveling along with us." (12:2.3)

"There are not many sun-forming nebulae active in Orvonton at the present time, though Andromeda, which is outside the inhabited superuniverse, is very active." (15:4.7)


:study: Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula

"Originally, the term 'nebula' was used to describe any diffused astronomical object, including galaxies beyond the Milky Way. The Andromeda Galaxy, for instance, was once referred to as the Andromeda Nebula (and spiral galaxies in general as 'spiral nebulae') before the true nature of galaxies was confirmed in the early 20th century by Vesto Slipher, Edwin Hubble and others."

... the same Hubble who originated the Big Bang theory! ;)


:idea: Considering universe design and management, inhabited planets cannot interact until they comprehend and appreciate that the universe is both intelligent and divinely administered. That forces and beings can enforce this policy is effectively communicated in the Urantia Papers; the same forces and beings that could direct and nurture such exploration ... when the time is right. :roll


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:study: "875,000,000,000 [875 billion] years ago the enormous Andronover nebula number 876,926 was duly initiated. Only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy whirl which eventually grew into this vast cyclone of space. Subsequent to the initiation of such nebular revolutions, the living force organizers simply withdraw at right angles to the plane of the revolutionary disk, and from that time forward, the inherent qualities of energy insure the progressive and orderly evolution of such a new physical system." (57:1.6)

"200,000,000,000 [200 billion] years ago witnessed the progression of contraction and condensation with enormous heat generation in the Andronover central cluster, or nuclear mass. Relative space appeared even in the regions near the central mother-sun wheel. The outer regions were becoming more stabilized and better organized; some planets revolving around the newborn suns had cooled sufficiently to be suitable for life implantation. The oldest inhabited planets of Nebadon date from these times." (57:3.10)

:study: Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... phere.html
"James Webb Space Telescope makes first ever detection of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere of a planet outside our solar system"

"Webb's infrared capabilities allow it to 'see back in time' to the Big Bang, which happened 13.8 billion years ago." :roll:

:idea: Apparently, a Bang happened, but not THE Big Bang (aka "the Big Whirl"). ;)


:study: "The energy wheel grew and grew until it attained its maximum of expansion, and then, when contraction set in, it whirled on faster and faster until, eventually, the critical centrifugal stage was reached and the great breakup began." (57:3.5)

"500,000,000,000 years ago the first Andronover sun was born." (57:3.6)

:idea: The Paper 57 paragraphs describe such sun-forming (then disappearing) activity that UB perspective would be the Big Whirl was eventually followed by the First Light (light astronomers are now detecting but not the light of Andronover's first suns). The first non-Monmatia telescopes might be able to detect such primordial light. :finger:


:study: Re: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo ... r-AA117MpT
"Webb telescope is already challenging what astronomers thought they knew"

:idea: Regarding image with caption: "Webb telescope image from early August shows a large pink,
speckled galaxy resembling a wheel with a small, inner oval" ... 8)

This Cartwheel "ring" Galaxy, instead of "due to a collision with another galaxy", may show beginning contraction
of a "circular and gaseous nebula" (57:2.1) that was created MANY years earlier by "the living force organizers" (57:1.6)

"All evolutionary material creations are born of circular and gaseous nebulae, and all such primary nebulae are circular throughout the early part of their gaseous existence. As they grow older, they usually become spiral, and when their function of sun formation has run its course, they often terminate as clusters of stars or as enormous suns surrounded by a varying number of planets, satellites, and smaller groups of matter in many ways resembling your own diminutive solar system." (57:2.1)


:lol: "What goes around comes around." (humor of the Big Whirl Theory)

When first told that unseen beings manipulate non-existent matter (pre-matter)
to create a monstrous space cylcone that evolves into a galaxy, people react
like those first told the earth is round - not flat! :shock:


:sunflower: Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlzPPs0R-DM
The universe's theme song? :lol:

See also (another Big Whirl):
http://aitnaru.org/images/Big_Whirl.pdf


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Re: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/30/world/ph ... index.html

"Stunning new images produced by the Hubble Telescope and the James Webb Telescope
showcase the Phantom Galaxy, a spiral of solar systems 32 million light-years away from Earth." 8)

:scratch: Does the Big Bang Theory explain why galaxies are spiral :?:
:scratch: Do spirals occur when atomic particles are smashed :?:

Re: https://gizmodo.com/this-fuzzy-image-sh ... 1846935219

"How those amorphous protogalaxies eventually took on the spiraled arms and central bulge
common in galaxies now has remained an enigma to astronomers." :?

Re: https://atomic.lindahall.org/what-is-an ... asher.html

:idea: The only spiral path is created by a cyclotron
... before particle impact! :roll:


:study: Thus, the Big Whirl Theory remains salient, albeit silently: ;)
Paper 57 -The Origin of Urantia, http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P057_0

"Only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy whirl which eventually grew into this vast cyclone of space. Subsequent to the initiation of such nebular revolutions, the living force organizers simply withdraw at right angles to the plane of the revolutionary disk, and from that time forward, the inherent qualities of energy insure the progressive and orderly evolution of such a new physical system." (57:1.6)

"these secondary space nebulae are usually observed as spiral phenomena." (57:3.1)


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Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... -away.html

"Astronomers found young stars spiraling into the center
of a huge, oddly shaped stellar nursery called NGC 346." 8)

:idea: Oddly shaped until "spiral" is recognized as the typical pattern
in new galaxy formation after inauguration of the energy whirl. ;)

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:bana: Science eventually catches up with the UB ...

Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... laims.html

"Dinosaurs did NOT go out with a bang! Ancient creatures were already in decline
when the asteroid hit 66 million years ago" :o

"60,000,000 years ago, though the land reptiles were on the decline,
the dinosaurs continued as monarchs of the land" (UB, 60:3.20)

"These massive creatures became less active and strong as they grew larger and larger;
but they required such an enormous amount of food and the land was so overrun by them
that they literally starved to death and became extinct — they lacked the intelligence
to cope with the situation." (UB, 60:2.3)


:study: Re: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ani ... -database/

"So, which animals cut the proverbial cheese? Tons, it turns out. Bats do, according to David Bennett,
a PhD candidate at Queen Mary University of London. And the bigger the animal, the harder they honk." :o

:idea: Unfortunately, there's no evidence of dinosaur honks, unless the sound waves are recorded in ancient mud.
And we probably missed many of our own messages over the years! (Honk if you love me." was popular mantra) :roll:


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Re: https://www.publishersweekly.com/9781501194733
"Galileo: And the Science Deniers", by Mario Livio, 2020

:arrow: See also (videos):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42GSLKcnTJg
"Galileo and the Science Deniers"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk4qowRKzEY
"The Relevance of Galileo and Science Denial in the Modern World"

:idea: Apparently, promotion to support climate change evidence (and note denial thereof) but also
recaps Galileo's challenge to the Church's control/interpretation of scripture. This recap hints that
Galileo represents a turning point in world's history where science begins to successfully challenge
Biblical perspective of the earth's origin, etc. :o

:roll: Regarding climate change ...
Evidence is clear that climate is changing, but the causes are many! Not just human
... and human causes are widespread, complex, and with few simple solutions, IMO.

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:study: "All forms of force-energy — material, mindal, or spiritual — are alike subject to those grasps, those universal presences, which we call gravity. Personality also is responsive to gravity — to the Father’s exclusive circuit; but though this circuit is exclusive to the Father, he is not excluded from other circuits; the Universal Father is infinite and acts over all four absolute-gravity circuits in the master universe: (12:3.1)

1. The Personality Gravity of the Universal Father.
2. The Spirit Gravity of the Eternal Son.
3. The Mind Gravity of the Conjoint Actor.
4. The Cosmic Gravity of the Isle of Paradise."

:idea: This paragraph suggests that force-energy is the substance of all reality (personality, spirit, mind, material)
with gravity circuit response primary determinant of the type of reality; force-charge is the complementing reality:

"All original force-energy proceeds from Paradise, and the matter for the making of untold universes now circulates throughout
the master universe in the form of a supergravity presence which constitutes the force-charge of pervaded space." (12:8.2)

:idea: Now, "force-charge of pervaded space" suggests that which the Primary Master Force Organizers manipulate:

"Primary Master Force Organizers are the manipulators of the primordial or basic space-forces of the Unqualified Absolute;
they are nebulae creators. They are the living instigators of the energy cyclones of space and the early organizers and
directionizers of these gigantic manifestations. These force organizers transmute primordial force (pre-energy not responsive
to direct Paradise gravity) into primary or puissant energy, energy transmuting from the exclusive grasp of the Unqualified Absolute
to the gravity grasp of the Isle of Paradise. (29:5.5)

:idea: And this forecasts the subsequent appearance of matter, detectable by mortals in a later stage:

"The now-appearing gravity-responding energy carries the potential of universe power
and becomes the active ancestor of all universe matter." (42:2.12)

:arrow: See also:
Paper 12 - The Universe of Universes,
3. Universal Gravity, 8. Matter, Mind, and Spirit
http://www.theub.org/part-i.html#P012_3
http://www.theub.org/part-i.html#P012_8
Paper 29 - The Universe Power Directors,
5. The Master Force Organizers
http://www.theub.org/part-i.html#P029_5
Paper 42 - Energy - Mind and Matter,
2. Universal Nonspiritual Energy Systems
http://www.theub.org/part-ii.html#P042_2


:sunflower: Incidentally (regarding the Big Whirl Theory) ...
the UB is astronomically revelatory in stating (effectively) that all observable matter in the universe
derived from these energy cyclones ... even where there seems no such evidence! In other words,
the pot must be stirred to create the batter that creates the cake. Bon Appetit! :lol:

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:study: Paper 42 - Energy - Mind and Matter, 5. Wave-Energy Manifestations
"4. The electronic stage. This stage of energy is the basis of all materialization in the seven superuniverses." (42:5.6)

:idea: The UB's comprehensive discussion of the electron hints that scientists will not learn enough from proton collisions
(e.g., Large Hadron Colldier) to be guided to the path for discovery of the ultimate source of matter. However, 42:4.12*
suggests that LHC's "new energy frontier" is now moving in this direction: :roll

Re: https://home.cern/news/news/accelerator ... ord-energy

"After the successful restart of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) and its first months of data taking with proton collisions
at a new energy frontier, the LHC is moving to a new phase, with the first lead-ion collisions of season 2 at an energy
about twice as high as that of any previous collider experiment."

* "The existence of pre-electronic forms of matter is indicated by the two atomic weights of lead. The lead of original formation
weighs slightly more than that produced through uranium disintegration by way of radium emanations; and this difference
in atomic weight represents the actual loss of energy in the atomic breakup." (42:4.12)

:arrow: See also:
Paper 42 - Energy - Mind and Matter,
4. Energy and Matter Transmutations
http://www.theub.org/part-ii.html#P042_4
5. Ultimatons, Electrons, and Atoms
http://www.theub.org/part-ii.html#P042_5


:idea: Obviously, scientists will never discover how primary matter is created
(but might theorize once Paradise force organizers, et al., are conceived): ;)

"The Paradise force organizers transmute space potency into primordial force and evolve this prematerial potential
into the primary and secondary energy manifestations of physical reality. When this energy attains gravity-responding levels,
the power directors and their associates of the superuniverse regime appear upon the scene and begin their never-ending
manipulations designed to establish the manifold power circuits and energy channels of the universes of time and space.

Thus does physical matter appear in space, and so is the stage set for the inauguration of universe organization." (15:4.2)

:arrow: See also:
Paper 15 - Energy - Mind and Matter,
4. Nebulae — The Ancestors of Universes
http://www.theub.org/part-i.html#P015_4


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:sunflower: Speaking of electrical activity ...

Re: https://www.brighteon.com/
(search for: "Detailed Explanation of the Pineal Gland")

:idea: Explanation how humans can receive information from wherever, ;)
especially as communicated via frequencies. And mention of melatonin
as an antioxidant suggests health benefits greater than sleep inducing:

Re: https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/62672
"An Overview of Melatonin as an Antioxidant Molecule"

"Melatonin has a free radical scavenger, anti-inflammatory, and antioxidant effects.
It scavenges reactive oxygen and nitrogen species and increases antioxidant defenses,
thus prevents tissue damage and blocks transcriptional factors of pro-inflammatory cytokines." :roll

Re: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1395802/
"The Therapeutic Potential of Melatonin"

:idea: Research is revealing how the body's natural production of melatonin
contributes to better health, however its use as a dietary supplement
needs further study (IMO).

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Thank you Rod. Those are some good articles on Melatonin research and uses, giving me something to think about.
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Re: https://creation.com/spiral-galaxies
"Spiral galaxies: too many for the Big Bang" (April, 2022)

"The University of Bonn researchers found that the observed universe is so different to that predicted by the Big Bang that the chance that the standard model could produce the observed galaxies, is miniscule, 1 in 2.9*1036 (effectively zero)." :o

(a comment) "We must remember that mathematical simulations start with a presumed model to move towards. In that they prove only if the presumptions are internally consistent. The Big Bang model is NOT internally consistent as now proposed. They will tweak their model, add some more presuppositions, try it again, again and again. The way science without the truth works, never coming to an understanding of the truth."

:hithere The Big Bang theory may be retired soon to a spiral dustbin,
having been replaced by The Big Whirl (from the Urantia Papers),

Paper 57 - The Origin of Urantia
1. The Andronover Nebula

"875,000,000,000 years ago the enormous Andronover nebula number 876,926 was duly initiated. Only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy whirl which eventually grew into this vast cyclone of space. Subsequent to the initiation of such nebular revolutions, the living force organizers simply withdraw at right angles to the plane of the revolutionary disk, and from that time forward, the inherent qualities of energy insure the progressive and orderly evolution of such a new physical system." (57:1.6)
http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P057_1_6

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Re: https://www.cnn.com/videos/opinions/202 ... h-orig.cnn
"What existed before the universe? Theoretical physicist explains"

"Maybe the universe always existed ... or maybe it had a beginning
... and time began at the beginning." :?

:hithere Our local universe had a beginning, but time began before the beginning
... of our local universe (unless we ignore what's outside our local universe ...
which has it's own beginning of time). :lol:

:study: From the UB, Paper 57 - The Origin of Urantia (planet Earth) ...
from the Andronover Nebula, created by the energy whirl of pre-matter:

"900,000,000,000 years ago ... The Orvonton authorities commissioned the original discoverer of this potential universe to execute the mandate of the Ancients of Days calling for the organization of a new material creation ... 875,000,000,000 years ago the enormous Andronover nebula number 876,926 was duly initiated. Only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy whirl which eventually grew into this vast cyclone of space. Subsequent to the initiation of such nebular revolutions, the living force organizers simply withdraw at right angles to the plane of the revolutionary disk, and from that time forward, the inherent qualities of energy insure the progressive and orderly evolution of such a new physical system."

See also: http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P057_1
Paper 57 - The Origin of Urantia
1. The Andronover Nebula

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:study: Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmkyF1tNFc4
"Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe."

Interesting discussion about hydrogen, considering that water = hydrogen + oxygen ...

Re: https://roboticsandautomationnews.com/2 ... ble/39771/
"Scientists have found more water in space than they ever knew possible" (Jan, 2021)

"As we’ve mentioned, the discovery of water in space is nothing especially new. Its presence in the Milky Way has been known for some time, though we don’t know if outer space is filled with water."


:cheers: And the UB effectively notes that the force-charge of space converts via the Big Whirl (57:1.6) to hydrogen, etc. ...

"The bestowal of cosmic force, the domain of cosmic gravity, is the function of the Isle of Paradise. All original force-energy proceeds from Paradise, and the matter for the making of untold universes now circulates throughout the master universe in the form of a supergravity presence which constitutes the force-charge of pervaded space." ( http://www.theub.org/part-i.html#P012_8_2 )


"During the earlier times of universe materialization the space regions are interspersed with vast hydrogen clouds, just such astronomic dust clusters as now characterize many regions throughout remote space. Much of the organized matter which the blazing suns break down and disperse as radiant energy was originally built up in these early appearing hydrogen clouds of space."
( http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P058_3_1 )

"Urantia is of origin in your sun, and your sun is one of the multifarious offspring of the Andronover nebula, which was onetime organized as a component part of the physical power and material matter of the local universe of Nebadon. And this great nebula itself took origin in the universal force-charge of space in the superuniverse of Orvonton, long, long ago." ( http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P057_1_1 )

"875,000,000,000 years ago the enormous Andronover nebula number 876,926 was duly initiated. Only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy whirl which eventually grew into this vast cyclone of space."
( http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P057_1_6 )


:hithere Who can tell? Something of universe substance is stirred by the force organizer and staff. That resulting circular motion (then spiral) may cause attraction of subatomic(?) particles; positive/negative charges come to mind. At least, this should inspire atomic scientists to investigate (at least, theorize) what can be "stirred" to simulate a Big Bang.

:lol: UB Humor: What happens when the Big Bang meets the Big Whirl?
The Big Bash (aka "Physicists' Fiesta" - Olé! ) :bounce:


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Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... laims.html

"Skull of 8.7-million-year-old ape found in Turkey suggests our ancestors evolved in Europe and NOT Africa"

"Human beings were not present in the Western Hemisphere until near the close of the ice age. But during the interglacial epochs they passed westward around the Mediterranean and soon overran the continent of Europe." ( http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P061_6_4 )

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:bana: Re: https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/23/world/ap ... index.html
"Rock collected by Apollo 17 astronauts reveals moon’s true age"

"A new analysis of that sample detected zircon crystals and dated them to 4.46 billion years old."
“These crystals are the oldest known solids that formed after the giant impact."

:study: Revealed indirectly by the UB's 1955 explanation of the birth of our solar system
(moon was created during creation of the earth, both from solar matter):

"4,500,000,000 years ago the enormous Angona system began its approach to the neighborhood of this solitary sun. The center of this great system was a dark giant of space, solid, highly charged, and possessing tremendous gravity pull." (57:5.4)

"as Angona drew nearer and nearer, the gravity pull of the gigantic visitor became so great that these tongues of gas would break off at certain points, the roots falling back into the sun while the outer sections would become detached to form independent bodies of matter, solar meteorites, which immediately started to revolve about the sun in elliptical orbits of their own." (57:5.5)

"The five inner and five outer planets soon formed in miniature from the cooling and condensing nucleuses in the less massive and tapering ends of the gigantic gravity bulge which Angona had succeeded in detaching from the sun" (57:5.9)

"Subsequent to the birth of the solar system a period of diminishing solar disgorgement ensued. Decreasingly, for another five hundred thousand years, the sun continued to pour forth diminishing volumes of matter into surrounding space." (57:6.1)

Note: Apparently, the source for Paper 57:5 has not yet been found
(and have later publication relative to perfection of radiometric dating):
https://urantiabooksources.com/wp-conte ... 11/057.pdf


:study: See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Earth

"The Moon ... provides quite precise age dates from the samples returned from the Apollo missions. Rocks returned from the Moon have been dated at a maximum of 4.51 billion years old. Martian meteorites that have landed upon Earth have also been dated to around 4.5 billion years old by lead–lead dating ... Altogether, the concordance of age dates of both the earliest terrestrial lead reservoirs and all other reservoirs within the Solar System found to date are used to support the fact that Earth and rest of the Solar System formed at around 4.53 to 4.58 billion years ago."


:sunflower: "Successive planetary revelations of divine truth invariably embrace the highest existing concepts of spiritual values as a part of the new and enhanced co-ordination of planetary knowledge. Accordingly, in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe." (0:12.12)

:idea: This news seems to highlight the 0:12:12 Acknowledgement (Section 57:6 provided by "God-knowing mortals"
and 57:5 is supplement, aka "revelation"). Now, 12:12 would make a cool Midwayer prompt! 8)


:sunflower: Current theories about how the earth and its moon were formed do not acknowledge the astronomical parallel of the moon's gravity on the earth's oceans (causes tides). If conceptualized, an ancient Agona gravity pull on our young sun might now be conceivable. ;)

Long story short ...

"Urantia is of origin in your sun, and your sun is one of the multifarious offspring of the Andronover nebula, which was onetime organized as a component part of the physical power and material matter of the local universe of Nebadon. And this great nebula itself took origin in the universal force-charge of space in the superuniverse of Orvonton, long, long ago." (57:1.1)

"875,000,000,000 years ago the enormous Andronover nebula number 876,926 was duly initiated. Only the presence of the force organizer and the liaison staff was required to inaugurate the energy whirl which eventually grew into this vast cyclone of space." (57:1.6)

"6,000,000,000 years ago marks the end of the terminal breakup [of Andronover] and the birth of your sun, the fifty-sixth from the last of the Andronover second solar family." (57:4.8 )

"Thus was the stage of local space set for the unique origin of Monmatia, that being the name of your sun’s planetary family, the solar system to which your world belongs. Less than one per cent of the planetary systems of Orvonton have had a similar origin." (57:5.3)

"4,500,000,000 years ago the enormous Angona system began its approach to the neighborhood of this solitary sun. The center of this great system was a dark giant of space, solid, highly charged, and possessing tremendous gravity pull." (57:5.4)

"As Angona more closely approached the sun, at moments of maximum expansion during solar pulsations, streams of gaseous material were shot out into space as gigantic solar tongues. At first these flaming gas tongues would invariably fall back into the sun, but as Angona drew nearer and nearer, the gravity pull of the gigantic visitor became so great that these tongues of gas would break off at certain points, the roots falling back into the sun while the outer sections would become detached to form independent bodies of matter, solar meteorites, which immediately started to revolve about the sun in elliptical orbits of their own."

:hithere Here begins the formation of our solar system with its planets and their moons;
all due, apparently, to that ancient gravity pull of Angona on our sun :!:


Postscript 1 ...

"Today, your sun has achieved relative stability, but its eleven and one-half year sunspot cycles betray that it was a variable star in its youth. In the early days of your sun the continued contraction and consequent gradual increase of temperature initiated tremendous convulsions on its surface. These titanic heaves required three and one-half days to complete a cycle of varying brightness. This variable state, this periodic pulsation, rendered your sun highly responsive to certain outside influences which were to be shortly encountered." (57:5.2)

"Thus was the stage of local space set for the unique origin of Monmatia, that being the name of your sun’s planetary family, the solar system to which your world belongs. Less than one per cent of the planetary systems of Orvonton have had a similar origin." (57:5.3) :o

:idea: Restated: The sun's responsiveness (via periodic pulsation) to outside influences (Angona)
suggests that modern astronomers would not discover how our solar system was created,
since it represents "less than one percent of Orvonton's planetary systems". Thus ...
revelation still needs be the astronomy guidance in this new millennium. 8)


Postscript 2 ...

Re: https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/03/world/ea ... index.html

"Scientists widely agree that an ancient planet likely smashed into Earth as it was forming billions of years ago,
spewing debris that coalesced into the moon that decorates our night sky today."

"Yuan replied: 'I also want to stress this is an idea; this is a hypothesis. There’s no way to prove this must be the case ...
I welcome other people to do this (research).' ”

:idea: An ancient planet in the Angona system, some day giving evidence of that system?
Or just an astronomic "placeholder" until Angona is hypothesized? :roll:


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Thanks, Rod!
This is all so brilliantly revealing!
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:sunflower: (current science about Sodom and Gomorrah)

Re: https://www.skywatchtv.com/2023/11/02/cosmic-impact/
"Evidence Discovered That A Cosmic Impact Really Did Destroy Biblical City" (Nov, 2023)

"Researchers present evidence that a cosmic impact destroyed a biblical city in the Jordan Valley. Scientists have found evidence of a cosmic airburst event around 1650 BCE that devastated the ancient city of Tall el-Hammam in the southern Jordan Valley, causing extreme temperatures and depositing high concentrations of salt. This event, potentially inspiring the biblical tales of Sodom and Jericho’s destruction"

:idea: 1650 + 2023 = 3673 years ago (Tall el-Hammam destroyed)


:study: (from the Urantia Book)

"It was 1,973 years before the birth of Jesus that Machiventa was bestowed upon the human races of Urantia." (93:2.1)

"It was following this real and public surrender of his personal ambitions in behalf of the larger plans of Melchizedek that the three celestial beings appeared to him on the plains of Mamre. This was an appearance of fact, notwithstanding its association with the subsequently fabricated narratives relating to the natural destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah." (93:6.7)

"Heretofore it had been believed that salvation could be secured only by works — sacrifices and offerings; now, Melchizedek again brought to Urantia the good news that salvation, favor with God, is to be had by faith." (93:6.4)

"It was shortly after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah that Machiventa decided to end his emergency bestowal on Urantia." (93:8.1)

"nourishment which was to sustain him throughout his ninety-four years of life as a material being." (93:2.2)

:idea: 1973 + 2023 = 3996 - 94 = 3902 years ago (Machiventa departed,
"shortly after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah)".


:study: Why the Bible doesn't say much about Melchizedek ...

"The national ego of the Jews was tremendously depressed by the Babylonian captivity ... hence they carefully edited all their records for the purpose of raising Abraham and their other national leaders high up above all other persons, not excepting Melchizedek himself. The Hebrew scribes therefore destroyed every record of these momentous times which they could find, preserving only the narrative of the meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek after the battle of Siddim" (93:9.9)

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism%27s_view_of_Jesus
"Judaism teaches that Jesus of Nazareth was not the Messiah nor 'the Son of God'."
:idea: Helps explain why Melchizedek was effectively "demoted"?


See also: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3
"A Tunguska sized airburst destroyed Tall el-Hammam" (Sep, 2021)

"The proposed airburst was larger than the 1908 explosion over Tunguska, Russia,
where a ~ 50-m-wide bolide detonated with ~ 1000× more energy than the Hiroshima atomic bomb."

:study: (from Wikipedia) "bolide - extremely bright meteor, especially one that explodes in the atmosphere"


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:sunflower: (current science)

Re: https://www.foxnews.com/us/dinosaurs-ma ... lume-study
"Dinosaurs may have been killed off by 'apocalyptic dust plume' "

"Scientists have long attempted to model the aftermath of the asteroid impact in the Gulf of Mexico* millions of years ago, with most agreeing that the impact triggered the mass extinction of nearly three-quarters of all species living on Earth at the time."

* https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... dinosaurs/
"The cataclysm that killed the dinosaurs"

"It was tens of miles wide and forever changed history when it crashed into Earth about 66 million years ago. The Chicxulub impactor, as it’s known, was a plummeting asteroid or comet that left behind a crater off the coast of Mexico that spans 93 miles and goes 12 miles deep. Its devastating impact brought the reign of the dinosaurs to an abrupt and calamitous end"

:study: (from the Urantia Book)

"120,000,000 years ago a new phase of the reptilian age began." (60:2.1)

"These massive creatures became less active and strong as they grew larger and larger; but they required such an enormous amount of food and the land was so overrun by them that they literally starved to death and became extinct - they lacked the intelligence to cope with the situation." (60:2.3)

:idea: Apparently, dinosaurs were heading to extinction when the asteroid
hastened their demise by reducing their food supply even more. :(

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Re: https://studyfinds.org/ancient-hot-spri ... gins-life/
"Study Reveals Potential Hot Spring Birthplace of Early Life" (Jan 15, 2024)

"new research explores how first living systems emerged from non-living geological materials over 3.5 billion years ago."


(from the UB) "550,000,000 (550 million) years ago the Life Carrier corps returned to Urantia. In co-operation with spiritual powers and superphysical forces we organized and initiated the original life patterns of this world and planted them in the hospitable waters of the realm. All planetary life ... had its origin in our three original, identical, and simultaneous marine-life implantations. These three life implantations have been designated as: the central or Eurasian-African, the eastern or Australasian, and the western, embracing Greenland and the Americas." (58:4.2)

"That we are called Life Carriers should not confuse you. We can and do carry life to the planets, but we brought no life to Urantia. Urantia life is unique, original with the planet. This sphere is a life-modification world; all life appearing hereon was formulated by us right here on the planet; and there is no other world in all Satania, even in all Nebadon, that has a life existence just like that of Urantia." (58:4.1)

:idea: Like a womb, the earth was getting ready chemically and geologically to receive this "implantation".

See also: http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P058_0
"Paper 58 - Life Establishment on Urantia"


:idea: 58:4.1's "no other world" is guidance for our search for other life in the universe (probably not like ours). ;)
And this "no other world" may relate to Michael's selection of Urantia for his final bestowal:

"After a study of the special report on the status of segregated worlds prepared by the Melchizedeks,
in counsel with Gabriel, Michael finally chose Urantia as the planet whereon to enact his final bestowal."
(122:0.2, http://www.theub.org/part-iv.html#P122_0_2 )

"The public announcement that Michael had selected Urantia as the theater for his final bestowal
was made shortly after we learned about the default of Adam and Eve."
(119:7.2, http://www.theub.org/part-iii.html#P119_7_2 )

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