Moving to another planet.

[Geoff]

I have it in my mind that somewhere I read that if mortals are moved from one planet to another, their memories are wiped. Now I have been asked to tell where I read that, and I don't know. So I am asking here.

hugs
Geoff

[George]

Hi Geoff,

'There is an African tribe that claims to be "introduced" here from a twin-star system in our local universe.
They drew the twin stars and pointed to where they were in the night sky.
Modern astronomy took ages to find that system and confirm their stories.

God bless . . .
George.

[Sandy]

Hi Geoff,
I have been searching through the Urantia Book for something related to your post. So far this is what I have come up with.

On page 582 http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-sta ... tary-adams ...

Paper 51 The Planetary Adams

2. Transit of the Planetary Adams

51:2.1 (582.1) Upon receipt of the news that another inhabited world has attained the height of physical evolution, the System Sovereign convenes the corps of Material Sons and Daughters on the system capital; and following the discussion of the needs of such an evolutionary world, two of the volunteering group — an Adam and an Eve of the senior corps of Material Sons — are selected to undertake the adventure, to submit to the deep sleep preparatory to being enseraphimed and transported from their home of associated service to the new realm of new opportunities and new dangers.

51:2.2 (582.2) Adams and Eves are semimaterial creatures and, as such, are not transportable by seraphim. They must undergo dematerialization on the system capital before they can be enseraphimed for transport to the world of assignment. The transport seraphim are able to effect such changes in the Material Sons and in other semimaterial beings as enable them to be enseraphimed and thus to be transported through space from one world or system to another. About three days of standard time are consumed in this transport preparation, and it requires the co-operation of a Life Carrier to restore such a dematerialized creature to normal existence upon arrival at the end of the seraphic-transport journey.

51:2.3 (582.3) While there is this dematerializing technique for preparing the Adams for transit from Jerusem to the evolutionary worlds, there is no equivalent method for taking them away from such worlds unless the entire planet is to be emptied, in which event emergency installation of the dematerialization technique is made for the entire salvable population. If some physical catastrophe should doom the planetary residence of an evolving race, the Melchizedeks and the Life Carriers would install the technique of dematerialization for all survivors, and by seraphic transport these beings would be carried away to the new world prepared for their continuing existence. The evolution of a human race, once initiated on a world of space, must proceed quite independently of the physical survival of that planet, but during the evolutionary ages it is not otherwise intended that a Planetary Adam or Eve shall leave their chosen world.

51:2.4 (582.4) Upon arrival at their planetary destination the Material Son and Daughter are rematerialized under the direction of the Life Carriers. This entire process takes ten to twenty-eight days of Urantia time. The unconsciousness of the seraphic slumber continues throughout this entire period of reconstruction. When the reassembly of the physical organism is completed, these Material Sons and Daughters stand in their new homes and on their new worlds to all intents and purposes just as they were before submitting to the dematerializing process on Jerusem.

..Okay... I am thinking after reading this that it would be important that human beings after having been moved to a new planet should have memory of their life previously as the last bolded sentence indicates. Personally I feel that if mortal life is so important with all it's experiences and lessons lerarned that some continuious flow of memory should continue in those beings who have not experienced mortal death. For all practical purposes dematerialization is not the same thing as death it seems.

I also found some information about what occurs after material death on a planet and the repersonalization on the Resurrection Halls of the Mansion worlds. That whole section is quite interesting and worth a read. But I have bolded the parts in particular that may contain information possibly relevant to this conversation.

On page 1232 in the Urantia book... Paper 112 Personality Survival
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-sta ... y-survival

... taken from 5. Survival Of The Human Self

There are two difficulties that hamper my efforts to explain just what happens to you in death, the surviving you which is distinct from the departing Adjuster. One of these consists in the impossibility of conveying to your level of comprehension an adequate description of a transaction on the borderland of the physical and morontia realms. The other is brought about by the restrictions placed upon my commission as a revelator of truth by the celestial governing authorities of Urantia. There are many interesting details which might be presented, but I withhold them upon the advice of your immediate planetary supervisors. But within the limits of my permission I can say this much:

112:5.12 (1234.1) There is something real, something of human evolution, something additional to the Mystery Monitor, which survives death. This newly appearing entity is the soul, and it survives the death of both your physical body and your material mind. This entity is the conjoint child of the combined life and efforts of the human you in liaison with the divine you, the Adjuster. This child of human and divine parentage constitutes the surviving element of terrestrial origin; it is the morontia self, the immortal soul.

112:5.13 (1234.2) This child of persisting meaning and surviving value is wholly unconscious during the period from death to repersonalization and is in the keeping of the seraphic destiny guardian throughout this season of waiting. You will not function as a conscious being, following death, until you attain the new consciousness of morontia on the mansion worlds of Satania.

112:5.14 (1234.3) At death the functional identity associated with the human personality is disrupted through the cessation of vital motion. Human personality, while transcending its constituent parts, is dependent on them for functional identity. The stoppage of life destroys the physical brain patterns for mind endowment, and the disruption of mind terminates mortal consciousness. The consciousness of that creature cannot subsequently reappear until a cosmic situation has been arranged which will permit the same human personality again to function in relationship with living energy.

112:5.15 (1234.4) During the transit of surviving mortals from the world of origin to the mansion worlds, whether they experience personality reassembly on the third period or ascend at the time of a group resurrection, the record of personality constitution is faithfully preserved by the archangels on their worlds of special activities. These beings are not the custodians of personality (as the guardian seraphim are of the soul), but it is nonetheless true that every identifiable factor of personality is effectually safeguarded in the custody of these dependable trustees of mortal survival. As to the exact whereabouts of mortal personality during the time intervening between death and survival, we do not know.

112:5.16 (1234.5) The situation which makes repersonalization possible is brought about in the resurrection halls of the morontia receiving planets of a local universe. Here in these life-assembly chambers the supervising authorities provide that relationship of universe energy — morontial, mindal, and spiritual — which makes possible the reconsciousizing of the sleeping survivor. The reassembly of the constituent parts of a onetime material personality involves:

112:5.17 (1234.6) 1. The fabrication of a suitable form, a morontia energy pattern, in which the new survivor can make contact with nonspiritual reality, and within which the morontia variant of the cosmic mind can be encircuited.

112:5.18 (1234.7) 2. The return of the Adjuster to the waiting morontia creature. The Adjuster is the eternal custodian of your ascending identity; your Monitor is the absolute assurance that you yourself and not another will occupy the morontia form created for your personality awakening. And the Adjuster will be present at your personality reassembly to take up once more the role of Paradise guide to your surviving self.

112:5.19 (1235.1) 3. When these prerequisites of repersonalization have been assembled, the seraphic custodian of the potentialities of the slumbering immortal soul, with the assistance of numerous cosmic personalities, bestows this morontia entity upon and in the awaiting morontia mind-body form while committing this evolutionary child of the Supreme to eternal association with the waiting Adjuster. And this completes the repersonalization, reassembly of memory, insight, and consciousness — identity.

112:5.20 (1235.2) The fact of repersonalization consists in the seizure of the encircuited morontia phase of the newly segregated cosmic mind by the awakening human self. The phenomenon of personality is dependent on the persistence of the identity of selfhood reaction to universe environment; and this can only be effected through the medium of mind. Selfhood persists in spite of a continuous change in all the factor components of self; in the physical life the change is gradual; at death and upon repersonalization the change is sudden. The true reality of all selfhood (personality) is able to function responsively to universe conditions by virtue of the unceasing changing of its constituent parts; stagnation terminates in inevitable death. Human life is an endless change of the factors of life unified by the stability of the unchanging personality.

112:5.21 (1235.3) And when you thus awaken on the mansion worlds of Jerusem, you will be so changed, the spiritual transformation will be so great that, were it not for your Thought Adjuster and the destiny guardian, who so fully connect up your new life in the new worlds with your old life in the first world, you would at first have difficulty in connecting the new morontia consciousness with the reviving memory of your previous identity. Notwithstanding the continuity of personal selfhood, much of the mortal life would at first seem to be a vague and hazy dream. But time will clarify many mortal associations.

112:5.22 (1235.4) The Thought Adjuster will recall and rehearse for you only those memories and experiences which are a part of, and essential to, your universe career. If the Adjuster has been a partner in the evolution of aught in the human mind, then will these worth-while experiences survive in the eternal consciousness of the Adjuster. But much of your past life and its memories, having neither spiritual meaning nor morontia value, will perish with the material brain; much of material experience will pass away as onetime scaffolding which, having bridged you over to the morontia level, no longer serves a purpose in the universe. But personality and the relationships between personalities are never scaffolding; mortal memory of personality relationships has cosmic value and will persist. On the mansion worlds you will know and be known, and more, you will remember, and be remembered by, your onetime associates in the short but intriguing life on Urantia.

Maybe that later part above you are remembering as it seems some of our memories may not immediately or even ever be accessed again upon death and after arrival on the Mansion worlds

hugs,
Sandy

[Geoff]

Thanks Sandy,

Does not it appears confirm what I am led to believe.

I guess I would add that if a planet fails for reasons of the unsuitability of the population in general to make sensible decisions, wiping their memories would seem a good thing?

hugs
Geoff

[Sandy]

Hey Geoff,
You lost me just a bit...
Are we still talking about living populations? Not those who have died from some calamity or another?

I guess I would add that if a planet fails for reasons of the unsuitability of the population in general to make sensible decisions, wiping their memories would seem a good thing?

Is that an option for the "higher ups?" Seems it would sort of interfere with our free will prerogatives. Maybe once all our bad decions have ultimately got the entire human population in the grave... then the Life Carriers could start anew or place a more docile and deserving group of humans on the sphere whose misfortune it was to be born onto a precarious physical world. The thoughtless group arriving on the mansion worlds would then have little memory of their particularly desasterous misdeeds and hopefully wouldn't be serving in planetary support capacity anytime soon.

... but what do I know. LOL I am reminded of the "Bruce Almighty" movie. Whoa boy!!! I could truly make a real mess of things in record time I suspect.

Hugs to you and Sunshine ,
Sandy

[Geoff]

Yeah I am talking about moving those left after the majority are dead and the planet is useless. Well useless for 1,000 years.

hugs
Geoff

[Sandy]

I was just thinking about George's post and that tribe who remembered and described the world they came from. I also am thinking of the ancient drawings on rocks etc. definitely showing what appears to be space ships. I guess in my mind I always attributed it to aliens visiting us but perhaps it was something else. The implanting of a people who had lost their own home planet due to untold disaster. Perhaps the higher ups separate various clans or settled groups of people when they do this. You have to admit that might give the groups the freshest of starts. ???

xxSandy