Hi there,,,
This has to be one of the most interesting experiences of synchronicity that I've had,,,well recently anyway...
Veronique,,,you were the first person who communicated with me, whilst I was lurking the mb,,,and I often think of you.
It was also during that time that I was reading the Archived Celestial messages and I was prompted to find them again this evening....
I wasn't looking for anything particular, and read a few messages and copied the folowing 2 for deeper study but not on line.
Then I spotted your thread Veronique,,,,,,,,,and I do believe that some of your questions are answered, especially in the first one below on Reincarnation.
and I also thought the following one had a connection too, re the Dali Lama and TA's
Anyway,,,nice seeing you again.....love and blessings,,,,pp
Reincarnation - A Myth.
http://1111angels.net/old_files/E_Archives/list219.htm
Illawarra District, Australia, December 2, 2003.
Primary Midwayer, Andrea.
[Part Transmission Only]
Received by George Barnard.
George: "You can say these things so much better than I can, Andrea, and besides, what kind of an authority am I?"
Andrea: "OK. This is much better now, and now we can begin. We do have the ability of ‘plucking from your vocabulary’ a much vaster range of words and concepts, and arrange them in better order. Yes. Even those words, terms and notions that have ‘slipped over the horizon of your human forgetfulness.’ Where we are often limited is in the transmission of higher truths, due to your varied states of preparedness, your stillness achievement, and your resistance at any given time in your biorhythmic swings, as well as in the restrictions placed upon us as revelators.
"Over the years, much information on the subject has been uploaded into your mind, but it is my pleasure entirely to be speaking about the tenacious, endemic religious belief systems that include reincarnation of many types, and from the very droll to the outright ridiculous.
"I guess there is some value in hearing it from me. And even with my lengthy overview of how these experiences and thoughts have become myths and have turned into belief systems that so many of your siblings adhere to, yes, even in the predominantly Christian world, it is not always clearly understood even by the likes of me how these credos have metamorphosed into such a myriad range.
"At times, the connection between the experienced Father Fragment and the human deep mind will give rise to ‘a knowing’ at a conscious level, and herein the truest form of "suggestion of reincarnation" - and I want you to put these words in quotation marks - may become evident. These are actual experiences in the lifetimes of Father Fragments that served well in the lives of some (humans), who may or may not have proceeded to undertake an eternity existence.
"And so it is on your world, our world, our troubled, blighted and chaotic world, that so many highly experienced Fragments of the Creator of All are attracted to serve in the most difficult and yet experientially profitable of circumstances. And it is therefore fair to say that among you there are many who are recollecting meaningful aspects of previous Father Fragment existences that may well come through in an accurate, partly garbled, or even disordered way.
"For the vast majority of you, the difficulty with the interpretation of these ‘elements of knowing’ lies in the lack of your spiritual and religious understanding of your very make-up; your inability to differentiate between the pre-existent Father Fragment and the newly appointed soul that will carry you to eternal life at the time of your mortal demise.
"The soul is but a mere seed of future potential in a small child. It is ticket, a tiny IOU, or voucher, one might say, that through the job of living a rightful, righteous, thankful, gracious and spiritual life in its future will grow, develop and mature into a sparkling new you with the potential of eternal service, enjoyment and certainty of your being drawn ever Paradise-ward.
"Yes, of course, these perhaps accidental communications between the Father Fragment and the deep mind do at times surface. However, in your earnest endeavor of trying to collect information about, and learning from previous soul lives, there is rarely the accuracy one might assign to what can admittedly be so vividly experienced.
"Each of you have been gifted with mind endowments that will only ‘attach and interconnect’ with unqualified degrees of fullness and accuracy. Your groupings of interactive mind segments have the ability to reach out at any given time, one might say, to only God knows where, and acknowledge the information gained as belonging to your soul’s pasts, when there are no such pasts.
"All kinds of details are available, and from myriad sources, and even from our enhanced view, and with our lengthy experience, we cannot always fathom from where these seemingly accurate details of previous soul lives may have been gathered. Suffice to say, my brother, that pre-existence of the soul is a tale passed down from greatly imaginative minds and utterings of ancient times.
"Whereas the Father Fragment has gone through excellent training, and may have had many lifetimes of ‘temporary accompanying experiences’ prior to indwelling the person that is you, the soul is always an entirely new entity, a seed, a gift, for a cooperative human mind and perfect Father Fragment to develop into a new being that will survive your passing away, and to which there is attached no original karma, good or bad.
"I trust that in this talk we have put to rest the belief of pre-existing souls, and alleviated some of the associated disquiet in those individuals that are accepting of bad karma, perhaps accumulated in carelessly lived previous soul lives.
"I thank you for staying the distance with me. I bow my head to the Spirit that is in you, now that I leave as when I arrive. Do program your meditation for the early hours. My love goes with you all. This is Andrea."
11:11 Progress Group.
Toujours au Service de Michael.
11:11 Angels
Churches, Progress and Tibet.
http://1111angels.net/old_files/E_Archives/list222.htm
Illawarra District, Australia, December 9, 2003.
Primary Midwayer Andrea.
[Part transmission only.]
Received by George Barnard.
George: “It’s what I wrote down, Andrea, and whatever reached your ears from the ongoing discussions and postings of late.”
[The question centered around individuals like Sai Baba, the Dalai Lama, their possible connection with the Reserve Corps, and essential Adjuster-to-Adjuster Information Transfer.]
Andrea: “We know how some of you like to valiantly push the boundaries, theorize and speculate, but what I have prepared for you may not altogether answer your question. And for your benefit, and that of others, I would like to introduce a new term, and rather than us speaking on this day of the Angels of the Churches per se, let us widen the term and refer to them as ‘the Angels of all the Teachings.’
“It is so often with your human vocabulary that when a term like ‘Churches’ is spoken of, and to those of you who are ardent students of the Text (5ER) that your interpretation of the concept is narrowed rather significantly, and, at best, you see in your mind a congregation of a specific denomination, a church building even, or a number of church buildings, perhaps.
“Now I want you to visualize your angelic friends of the Churches as those who ensure that the Teachings are not lost. Teachings, my friend, and they can be of the most exalted on your world, of Sikh, Christian, or Sufi teachings, and they may be no more than the nature worship of rocks, trees or animals. Indeed, the Angels of the Churches and their capable midwayer associates do promote these teachings of all kinds.
“‘Churches’ are there to ensure that the books are read, the stories are told, the sermons are given, and the belief systems are not corrupted as they are passed on from mother to daughter, from father to son, from teacher to student, yet the angels will not judge the level of sophistication that they are at, only the purity of teachings, and from generation to generation, for that is their primary task.
“Just recently you enquired about your dear friend and his work with the Falun Gong, and I can assure you now that both Churches and Progress, as well as Science, Medicine and the Arts are represented (and hard at work) by the angels, artisans, specialist teachers and midwayers in the movement – the oh so promising movement that is the Falun Gong.
“Even among those of the old faith of ancestor worship, the aspects of truth, conviction, and belief traditions were promoted from one generation to the next, and from the blue sky ‘prayer houses’ of the Mongolian steppes, to those of the visionary cults who dwell in the dense-forest ‘cathedrals’ of the Amazon, we were and are there as ‘Churches’ to promote the continued acceptance of those belief systems. As well, we were and are there as ‘Progress’ to promote the higher truths whenever they may be learned or intuited.
“And so it is with the beliefs of the Tibetan nation. No matter the prayer wheels, the prayer flags and banners, you will find those there who are most sincere and deeply devout. And it is not (up) to us to frown upon the idiosyncrasies of any such credos that even include some strange notions from your own Christian history. And, yes, you will find us there, too, to promote all that is good and beautiful, and to ignore the erroneous, but to awaken to higher truths when appropriate.
“So to your question: The mention of Spirit Selves transferring great amounts of specific and often also mundane information as in the case of the Dalai Lama hierarchy is indeed along the lines of Thought Adjuster exchange as it is customary with older and younger members of the Reserve Corps. It is up to the Thought Adjusters to indicate, and with the foreknowledge with which they arrive from Divinington, which new personality is to take over from the old and dying.
“It is up to the likes of Dr. Mendoza and the many assistants to speed up the physical, mindal and spiritual development of this preordained individual, and to re-enforce the specific aspect of knowledge and recognition of facts that are important for the human associates on their long and guided journey to receive confirmation that, indeed, this new, immature personality is in fact the destined one to take over the task.
“It behooves you to realize that in the Paradise existence the past and future merge into the ever-present, and that these things can be foreknown, even to the need for a specific new personality to turn up in time to take over the lead from the old, and to keep alive the teachings of one generation for the benefit of the next.
“It takes no great imagination to visualize the utter chaos that would ensue if the older generation neglected to pass on their spiritual heritage to the next. No, indeed, neither you nor I could imagine the absolute bedlam that would therefrom result, but these things are foreseen and ‘Paradise-generated data’ and advice is received by our angelic associates and through them passed onto us midway creatures more often than you take a breath.
“Suffice to say that the old teachings are well guarded by ‘Churches,’ and that all further truths, as they are realized, are capitalized upon by ‘Progress.’
“Suffice to say that only the most advanced-in-experience Thought Adjusters will volunteer to indwell the minds of such exalted leaders of the minds of men.
“I thank you, my dear brother, for staying the distance with me. We fared moderately well with this ‘new stuff,’ as you will put it. This is Andrea, and I send my love to all who will hear our words.”
© 11:11 Progress Group.
Toujours au Service de Michael.
11:11 Angels
... which proffers intriguing new perspective:
The twelve groups of Urantia destiny reservists are composed of mortal inhabitants of the sphere who have been rehearsed for numerous crucial positions on earth and are held in readiness to act in possible planetary emergencies. This combined corps now consists of 962 persons. The smallest corps numbers 41 and the largest 172. With the exception of less than a score of contact personalities, the members of this unique group are wholly unconscious of their preparation for possible function in certain planetary crises. These mortal reservists are chosen by the corps to which they are respectively attached and are likewise trained and rehearsed in the deep mind by the combined technique of Thought Adjuster and seraphic guardian ministry. Many times numerous other celestial personalities participate in this unconscious training, and in all this special preparation the midwayers perform valuable and indispensable services.
