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Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Geoff » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:16 am

I was long fascinated by Sai Baba. I think most people who studied him fell into two camps, they thought he was a fraud, or they thought he was "God". I fell in the middle but did consider quite seriously that he might be an avatar. In fact many years ago George asked a question about him, when we were investigating the issue of past life information being passed between TAs. But we did not get anything on Sai Baba only on the Dalai lama where it was confirmed our suspicion was correct.

Then Sai Baba died about ten years before he said he would pass. Now if you claim you are Divine, and you cant get that right.......Anyway I got an opportunity to again ask a question, and this time I got an answer. Not what i expected, but heck....
The Law of Creation and Sai Baba.

February 4th, 2014

Frankfurt.

Received by WV.

I am here, your friend and helper, Sri Yukteswar.

I have come because I wanted to reply to the question who Sai Baba was.

Well let me start off with saying he wasn’t an avatar. When he died he entered what is known as the fourth sphere. He was not more special than any other man on earth. He was born from a woman and he died as any other man will have to, once.

The reason why he was able to do some things others can’t, is he understood the Laws of Creation. These laws govern the way things are created and also how they are destroyed. When you come to learn how your free will can interact with these laws, you will understand the way they work.

Sai Baba wasn’t any different except that he knew how to interact with the Laws of Creation. It is because of this he could create or manifest things other people can’t. I have known many people who understood the Laws of Creation and could do the things Sai Baba could. So you see he wasn’t further advanced than any other human could be.

The problem with most humans is they don’t believe it is possible to create things out of nothing or thin air. But if you look closely at how Mother Nature works, you will find she does it all the time. The only things she needs are the right conditions to do so, and off she goes to create what is needed to be.

So the fast learner, or at least the attentive one, will understand the last sentence is the key to the whole mystery: “creating the right conditions”. How? Well, everything created is done so with “intention”. So you see, these three things are very important when it comes to materializing or dematerializing things: “free will, intention and the right conditions.” The third parameter is actually influenced or created by the help of the first two.

I know this all sounds a bit confusing at first but when you meditate upon this for a little while, it will become very clear to you. But, to confuse you even more, I have to say these parameters are all influenced by your mind and mental beliefs. These parameters all have their origin in the soul. So if you do not let the soul supersede the mind, you will never be able to materialize or dematerialize.

I am going to stop here for now and hope you find interest in what I have given you. Keep an open mind so we can pour our knowledge into your consciousness, my dear friend.

Goodbye, your friend and helper, Sri Yukteswar.
Now of course all I need to figure out is how to activate the Law of Creation and I can travel at will, no planes no passport.

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by jfarris » Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:46 am


So you see he wasn’t further advanced than any other human could be.

The problem with most humans is they don’t believe it is possible to create things out of nothing or thin air. But if you look closely at how Mother Nature works, you will find she does it all the time.
Hi Geoff, :hithere :hithere

Two things that your post stirred up in my mind:

1) It must be possible to create things, anything in fact, from seemingly thin air (nothing). The creation is IMO created not from nothingness but from a sea of quantum mechanical potential. Might be what George refers to as ZPE. But that is not my point. There is an Irainian physicist, M. T. Kershe I think it is, who is saying that it is possible to create anything from "nothing". Further to his point, without this creative capability mankind has already come near the distance limit for anykind of manned missions. Let alone manned interstellar travel. Basically, too many things to possibly need when couped up for 6 months in a vehicle and what to select...

I can't remember #2....I think I rolled it in with one somehow! :?: :roll

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Geoff » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:21 pm

Dear Jody,

I believe ZPE is something else again. Its an energy field.

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Post by Sandy » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:22 am

Thanks for posting that message from Werner and Sri Yukteswar, Geoff. :D (Hi (((((((Jody)))))) :hithere )
I remember us pondering this in our flat kitchen one long ago day. You know I can't help but remember the masters in "The Masters of the Far East" and they describe it very similarly in a way that would probably fit into the point of this transmit.
It surely would be a wonderful thing to master as I could certainly use the ability to find myself across the sea in my children's living room. Although, I suspect they would not be quite so pleased at this ability. :roll: But can you imagine... if everybody in the world could master this... well, that would end poverty wouldn't it? ... and wars too, perhaps. (I dream big. :roll: :) )
So how do we concretely begin? I am sensing that we should do exactly as Sri Yukteswar suggested and meditate on what this means for us. :lol: But wouldn't it be easy if the instructions came step one ..step two... etc. Hmmm but maybe they have... I am going to see if I can find the right bit in MOTFE. Uh oh... "I am hearing the song, "Seek Ye First https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LMQfOp9w8k (It is easy for me to personalize this song as a call to look within, to celebrate and get close to my God within as I listen and view the words. Getting closer to the Source within in peaceful Stillness is the closest we will ever come, I suspect, to knowing Truth in our mortal abode...There is nothing better... not even chocolate! :mrgreen: And perhaps it is the first step in creating the right condition. ???
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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Welles » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:06 pm

I’m very glad you posted that question and answer about Sai Baba and the Law of Creation, Geoff. It got me thinking. I’ve always allowed for the possibility that creation of material forms from energy by humans without intervening physical action but... In this physical plane I believe there is always material organization or ‘work’ between thought form and manifestation. In the spiritual realm thought is form. Therefore I must conclude that a person who can ‘manifest’ physical objects is doing work at a level I don’t understand rather than exhibiting a straight thought to form transfer.

One thing in which I feel confident is that all of us are creators. Each of us are at different levels of aptitude. Sai Baba was unique to his circumstances. Our individual levels of performance will all be original while the sense of satisfactions afforded by acts of creation are similar. While being intrigued by the potentials other people may realize, we have to follow “The Creator’s Path” (blatant self promotion there :lol: ). Our path of personal discovery is the goal rather than following someone else.

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Geoff » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:15 am

Dear Welles,

I don't know know you yet, and you don't know me. So its hard for me to know exactly where you are coming from in your reply here. But I will give you an answer that perhaps contradicts what you just said. While we each have a specific purpose on this world, the ability to learn from others is incredibly useful. And I personally am a voracious reader, all of which has helped me enormously both in my personal growth, and in the business of outreach that I have been engaged in for some fifteen years now. Yes I would be very happy to discover the ability to utilise the Law of Creation. But I am unlikely to spend enough time considering it, I suspect, to succeed. This is not a matter of wanting to copy or emulate Sai Baba, but these are all facilities available to all of us, and in times long past were used by people. I gather in the famed Atlantis they used similar powers. To move now to what I learned that I set out to emulate, about 15 years ago I read this:
Jesus wrote:"And I further informed them, that, if they wished to assert the truth of my words, they should try and test my teachings that the Father's Love was now available, and pray for it to the Father in earnest prayer, and see whether, if this was done in sincerity, the Father's Love, conveyed through the Holy Spirit, would burn and glow in the soul, by which sign they would realize His Love was present therein."
It took me three weeks to prove this to myself, and since that time, that has been my path - the Love Divine. So there are many signposts upon the road, and its your choice to read them. Some of them may be life changing. And for those signposts we often have others to thank. Father's helpers are certainly angels, but angels most often use humans to do the work that is needed, and if we insist on wearing blinkers, our path may be less fruitful than it might have been.

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Sandy » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:02 am

Hi guys,
Geoff, I must be missing something here...
I don't really see any right or wrong or contradictions between what you and Welles have posted...but then I do tend to see things simply. I think most of us can conclude that we each have our own path that the Creator lays before us and if it were to dissect this life of ours and its discoveries... be they mind shattering or simple and direct, the Creator's Love would be at the center of it. Words, transmissions, books etc.. are all wonderful and stretch our thoughts possibly into areas we haven't considered before. Angels, guides and people...yes, they can inspire us and create in us a since of urgency which propels us along... It seems, the real movement is always truly seen and felt in those quiet times when we are at one with the Creator of us all and it is there we discover our creative abilities that spill over into all areas...spiritual, mindal, and physical. It is also in these special moments that we process what has come through in material form, allowing for soul interpretation of what meets our needs, the needs of the path we are traversing... the one that leads us to God. Yet...it is all important and part of the process creating the well rounded , unique, charming and vastly individually eternal us.

Love this Welles...
For a long time I had been following two separate tracks. On one hand I would inquire within for spiritual guidance. On the other I would try and create beauty, truth and humor. The two somehow seemed separated as if the one was a manifestation of self-less ness while the other was self-full ness. To recognize that the illuminations and discoveries of my creator's path were the practical elements of a larger spiritual existence suddenly brought a single focus to life. It wasn't a case of either/or. Both efforts were elements of a single process. The seeming separation was simply a matter of my limited perception.

It turned out that I thought I was following my own creator's path but unwittingly, although willingly, had been following The Creator's Path.
Just my thoughts as I get ready for a day full of errands... :roll:
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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Welles » Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:37 am

Hi Geoff,

My thoughts went off on a tangent as they are wont to do. They were stimulated by your initial post not reactive or in contention to anything therein. It turned out to be a classic failure to communicate. Oh well. It won't be the last time! :roll: :lol:

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Geoff » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:10 am

Welles wrote: Oh well. It won't be the last time! :roll: :lol:
Aint that the truth

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Desideratum » Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:46 pm

I have had similar discussions in other forums... Seems like this has come up a lot lately, very interesting.

Personally, and I know that I don't know too much, I see it this way:

First off, we don't create anything. At least, the "we" that we think we are, doesn't. We cannot create, that is the domain of god, there is only one creator, that's it. When we perceive that we are creating something, anything, from dinner to a symphony, we are channeling the creative power of god through us. As a musician I have noticed that inspiration is just like that, it shows up, and expresses itself through me. God creates the universe in many different ways, sometimes its through us.

As we know, EVERYTHING is energy..... even space is energy. Space is part of creation. Mass, Particles, which are said to make up the building blocks of mass, are also just standing waves of energy (M theory, etc). My personal belief is that the universe/god/divine power invents or improvises whichever particles it needs to manifest into physical reality what its creating. The energy is modulated by creative thought, the will of the creator.

Creative Thought ----->> Modulates (changes, affects) ---->> Energy = Physical manifestation (mass/matter, EMR, space, etc.)

So our power to "create" is us perceiving that we are doing the above ... in fact we are just observers, but if its our mind/body that the manifestation is happening through, we take the credit :bana:
Enter Sai Baba, a friend of mine went to see him a number of times. Its said that SB can and did often manifest physical things from nothing, and was able to vanish while among a crowd, etc. I would be willing to bet that he had no idea whatsoever how he did it, but he did BELIEVE he could do it, which may very well be all you need.

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Geoff » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:16 pm

Dear desideratum,

I would humbly disagree. We are creators, and our ability to create currently would surprise you. This is because most of us cannot see what we have created, because its not in this realm. Sadly some of the creations are not good, but such is life. These are called "thought forms".

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Post by nasra1996 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:41 pm

I'm wondering what is the difference between Sai Baba and those amazing street magicians who make things seem to manifest out of thin air ?
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Post by Desideratum » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:29 am

nasra1996 wrote:I'm wondering what is the difference between Sai Baba and those amazing street magicians who make things seem to manifest out of thin air ?
Sai Baba really DID manifest things out of this air ... he wasn't using street magic.

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Post by Desideratum » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:39 am

Geoff wrote:Dear desideratum,

I would humbly disagree. We are creators, and our ability to create currently would surprise you. This is because most of us cannot see what we have created, because its not in this realm. Sadly some of the creations are not good, but such is life. These are called "thought forms".

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I do not doubt or question the existence of thought forms. What happens in other realms is none of my concern, if the laws of nature are such that I am unable to experience those realms. The issue is not whether we create, its really, who are "we?" Our egos/minds are very powerful and incredible things, but they are not as they seem. They have us believing that we are limited, separate beings existing inside a vast, scary universe. That is not true. Actually, the vast "scary" universe exists within us --- as does our egos and minds.

So yes, we do create, in as far as we are really the One Mind/Consciousness that creates. But we are not in the realization of that truth, we realize (experience as real -- as opposed to believe as real) that we are these limited mind/bodies. Embracing the notion, belief that we are not really the creators/authors of anything ... anything at all, is actually incredibly liberating. Truly you must die to enter the Kingdom ... apply that here. Let go of the little "me" and I get introduced to the real "me." Something like that.

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Post by Geoff » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:55 am

Desideratum wrote: Our egos/minds are very powerful and incredible things, but they are not as they seem. They have us believing that we are limited, separate beings existing inside a vast, scary universe. That is not true. Actually, the vast "scary" universe exists within us --- as does our egos and minds.
Actually the real you is not even the ego or mind, its the soul. The mind is simply a device to allow you to operate the physical being your soul incarnated into. The real power is in the soul, and in order to activate the Law of Creation you need the ability to set aside the mind, and operate from soul. Another way of saying that is when you come at this from pure love (soul) you will have these abilities.
Desideratum wrote: What happens in other realms is none of my concern, if the laws of nature are such that I am unable to experience those realms.
Well this is actually the illusion. You are now all that you will be post death.
Desideratum wrote: Truly you must die to enter the Kingdom
That phase really means dying to the material. (IE being purely spiritual) You must be reborn to enter the Kingdom. When you die, almost nothing changes, excepting your mind no longer drives the physical body you had here for x years. The focus of your consciousness thus shifts realms, as it can do right now.

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Post by Desideratum » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:02 am

Actually the real you is not even the ego or mind, its the soul. The mind is simply a device to allow you to operate the physical being your soul incarnated into. The real power is in the soul, and in order to activate the Law of Creation you need the ability to set aside the mind, and operate from soul. Another way of saying that is when you come at this from pure love (soul) you will have these abilities.
We're kind of on a similar track ... We would both agree that the mind/ego is something we have, and not what we are.
Well this is actually the illusion. You are now all that you will be post death.
What I meant by that was this being, this mind/body mechanism that exists here on earth and is living its life is unaware of "other realms." Therefore I don't get to concerned about what is happening there. Its all I can do to manage what's happening in this realm. :?
That phase really means dying to the material. (IE being purely spiritual) You must be reborn to enter the Kingdom. When you die, almost nothing changes, excepting your mind no longer drives the physical body you had here for x years. The focus of your consciousness thus shifts realms, as it can do right now.
Now I have to humbly disagree. It seems that the majority of religious beliefs would say you are right, but I don't think that is what Jesus meant. First off, Jesus wasn't one to harp on the obvious, he was more likely to challenge the obvious, or prevailing beliefs of his time. People have always believed in an afterlife. I truly believe that Jesus meant the act of giving up the material, the desires/attachments and even the ego while still here on earth.

And that coincides with what other teachers speak about as well. Buddha, for example, spoke about suffering being caused by desire/attachment and Liberation being the release from suffering. Jesus spoke about the kingdom of heaven not coming from somewhere, but being within you.

To me this all adds up to the possibility for us to experience the divine while still here on earth, when it really counts. The mortal experiencing the immortal, the ultimate yoga.

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Post by Geoff » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:43 am

Desideratum wrote: Now I have to humbly disagree. It seems that the majority of religious beliefs would say you are right, but I don't think that is what Jesus meant. First off, Jesus wasn't one to harp on the obvious, he was more likely to challenge the obvious, or prevailing beliefs of his time. People have always believed in an afterlife. I truly believe that Jesus meant the act of giving up the material, the desires/attachments and even the ego while still here on earth.
So did I. :lol: :lol:

On the other hand, the ego is not something ugly, its something we were given, and therefore it has it's place, but its place is not in front. Thats where we need to lead from Soul, with ego "under" control. You will find some messages on this site that support that there is nothing inherently evil about ego.

By the by, you talk as if we have never heard from Jesus (called Michael on this site) for 2000 years. We hear from him so often he is like a close friend.
Desideratum wrote:Jesus spoke about the kingdom of heaven not coming from somewhere, but being within you.
That is a much debated phrase, relying on the greek word "entos", and Jesus did not speak Greek typically. Here is a link to a message from the master talking about this very issue.

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Post by Sandy » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:51 am

what an interesting discussion...

You guys are reminding me of something several posts back, that happened quite a few years ago. Someone approached me here on the board and told me a strange story of manifesting. He said that late one night he and his friends were in a pub were speaking of a topic similar to this one. He, I believe, if I am remembering it properly, (and I may not be) has manifested objects before so he gave it a go that night and was shocked when he manifested a pretty powerful gun or rifle of some sort. I, of course, being new to this and a bit of a fundamentalist at the time was completely "flum floxed" and didn't have a clue what to say. But it does seem that if he was on the level, and a part of me thinks he was because I have always been a bit empathetic and I felt no deception there, it may show that the Creator Source gives us vast leeway where our own efforts of creation are concerned. The interesting thing was this fella hadn't gone to the Himalayas and studied with any guru for years etc... He was almost as surprised by this as I was...(and that is saying a lot. :shock: ) He quietly said no more when I did not ask to see the proof he said he had of this event. I think about this from time to time and feel bad about my small mindedness.
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Post by Geoff » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:02 am

Dear Sandy,

Well that beats the fellow who said he had materialised a paperclip?

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Post by Sandy » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:05 am

LOL I'd rather have the paperclip. I can never find one when I need one! ;) What a crazy thing to accidentally manifest.(the gun) Seems they weren't sure what to do with the silly thing once it had manifested. Gosh I wish I could remember more about the incident... :scratch:
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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Desideratum » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:30 am

I misunderstood the thing about dying to enter the kingdom ... so we are on the same page there. Also the ego, not a bad thing, just something that results in confusion. The ego HAS to maintain its separateness in order to stay in power ... like the Sheriff of Nottingham. Don't let anyone know that the real king is out on crusade somewhere! And we need our egos and minds to function in this world, that is what makes this experience what it is.

Re Kingdom of heaven is within you ... yeah, I have heard the debate on that. I have consciously chosen to believe its "within" rather than "among" for a couple of reasons. One is that the closest thing we have to a real translation of what Jesus may have said is the Peshitta bible ... which is pretty close to the Aramaic Jesus spoke. I am no scholar, I am sure there are those who doubt the Peshitta, but I find it extremely compelling. Also, more importantly, just about every spiritual teacher of merit has said that what we are seeking is within is. Happiness, bliss, etc, is streaming from the source to us, and the portal through with the mortal, flesh and blood person may experience the divine is accessed by going inside. I mean this very literally, I have the experiences to show for it ... as many others do and as anyone can.

Also, let's say Jesus DID mean that the "kingdom of heaven is in your midst," the above, that a portal to eternity exists within each of us, is still true.

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Geoff » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:47 am

Desideratum wrote: Re Kingdom of heaven is within you ... yeah, I have heard the debate on that. I have consciously chosen to believe its "within" rather than "among" for a couple of reasons.
Well I like to argue BOTH sides of this one. :lol: :lol: :roll:

I believe that Jesus, when he was claiming that he is the messiah, and the "key to the Kingdom" (by virtue of his teachings of course) meant that he, Jesus is the key to the kingdom, and currently walks in your midst.

But, acknowledging that we have an Indwelling Spirit, and that you do not enter the Kingdom except by fusion with that Divine being, and that you can talk to that TA, which resides in your mind, I think its fair to claim that a great deal of truth resides on the side of "within"
Desideratum wrote:One is that the closest thing we have to a real translation of what Jesus may have said is the Peshitta bible ... which is pretty close to the Aramaic Jesus spoke. I am no scholar, I am sure there are those who doubt the Peshitta, but I find it extremely compelling.
I find this in Wiki:
The Peshitta (Classical Syriac: ܦܫܝܛܬܐ pšîṭtâ for "simple, common, straight, vulgate"), sometimes called the Syriac Vulgate, is the standard version of the Bible for churches in the Syriac tradition.

The general, but not universal, consensus is that the Old Testament of the Peshitta was translated into Syriac from the Hebrew, probably in the 2nd century AD, and that the New Testament of the Peshitta was translated from the Greek.[1]
The issue is really that Greek is a language of many words for one meaning, and hence translating INTO Greek, and out again, is a very dodgy thing. Now I am not sure if you have followed George Lamsa, and he it is claimed managed to go back to English from Aramaic, and they claim they always had an Aramaic NT. But in Wikipedia it seems that they are saying Lamsa worked with the Peshitta.
Lamsa was a strong advocate of a belief traditionally held by part of that Church; that the Aramaic New Testament of the Peshitta was the original source text, and that the Greek texts were translated from it. In support of this, he claimed that Aramaic was the language of Jesus and his disciples.[2] According to Lamsa, "Aramaic was the colloquial and literary language of Palestine, Syria, Asia Minor and Mesopotamia, from the fourth century B. C. to the ninth century A. D."[3] This view of the Assyrian Church regarding the Language of the New Testament is rejected by mainstream scholarship, but Lamsa's views won support among some churches such as The Way.[4]
For myself, while the Bible is interesting, I am conscious of the fact that Jesus told James Padgett (1914 to 1923) it would take too long to correct all the errors in the Bible, and hence in his 240 odd communications, he did not try, other than pick on a few phrases, and quite a number of parables.

We have not heard from George Lamsa, and I have to say I really would have liked to. What concerns me, is that the basis of the 240 communications from Jesus to James Padgett is about Divine Love, and I have not heard any exponent of the Peshitta or of George Lamsa put forward anything like Padgett got, or even anything like is found in the Urantia Book, and hence I still feel they all missed the mark, simply because even the apostles (save for MM) did not understand. So even if you got an original manuscript of sayings attributed to Jesus by an apostle, I wonder if it would contain the truth of the teachings of the new birth that is required.

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Desideratum » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:20 am

I always go to the original versions of things, said by the flesh and blood human being, long before getting invested in transmissions from the "beyond." Not because they're "not true," but rather I have no way of knowing whether they are true. A course in Miracles is another example, then there are those who claim the story and teachings of Jesus for the aliens ... they have their version of it all. I don't want to get mired up in these things, people have agendas and since I don't know those agendas I stick with what we have in the physical record. I don't trust organized religion either, at least not institutionally. The fact that Lamsa is doubted by established Christian churches means nothing to me, actually, gives him more credit.

The Gospel of Thomas contains sayings of the flesh and blood Jesus, and these saying are quite awesome. Most are in the canonized bible, some in strange places and even attributed to other people, Paul, for instance, is supposed to have said "the Lord giveth what no eyes have seen, no ears have heard, no hands have touched, and has never occurred to the human mind" (pardon me if I mixed up the words a little). GOT says it as a quote from Jesus himself: "I will show you what no eyes have seen..." BIG difference .... huge difference. One is theoretical, something Paul will talk about but that's it. Jesus saying it means maybe he actually CAN show those people something amazing, unknown to the mind, something indwelling. The meditation I practice, which is a yoga (for lack of a better word) as old as humanity itself, actually consists of techniques related to light, sound, etc...

I guess I am a bit of a skeptic at heart ... can't help it, once upon a time it was different. I believed in every ascended master, the aliens, all of it indiscriminately. Now its more like the opposite. But I try to keep my mind open, lately at least I have been, which is why I'm here.

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Re: Sai baba and the law of Creation

Post by Geoff » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:25 am

Desideratum wrote: Not because they're "not true," but rather I have no way of knowing whether they are true.
That is true as long as you rely on the mind. But to the extent that you operate out of soul, you can absolutely know. I now trust my judgment on these things totally. I did have a 24 hour experience several moths back and I experienced "knowing" to a level I would never have thought possible.
Desideratum wrote: I guess I am a bit of a skeptic at heart ... can't help it, once upon a time it was different. I believed in every ascended master, the aliens, all of it indiscriminately. Now its more like the opposite. But I try to keep my mind open, lately at least I have been, which is why I'm here.
Well no bad thing that. And an open mind plus a dash of humility is the perfect companion to make sure you will find the path home. The trick is not to be scared of being wrong, IMHO.

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