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Post by Amigoo » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:20 pm

:idea: Interestingly, this coronavirus episode is highlighting what has been true for centuries:
sick people spread colds and viruses - their wearing a quality mask helps minimize spreading.
Societal emphasis may finally shift from trying to avoid disease to trying not to spread it. ;)

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Post by Amigoo » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:05 pm

:study: Re: https://www.yahoo.com/news/australian-r ... 25254.html

"While the current swab test is used to identify people who are infected with the coronavirus, the agglutination assay -
analysis to detect presence and amount of a substance in blood - can also determine if someone had been recently infected" 8)

:D The good news is that many more people can be tested :!:

:( The bad news is that the real infection count will be known,
making it falsely appear that the rate of infection has increased. ;)

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Post by Amigoo » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:18 pm

:study: Re: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... g-openings

"While the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has long maintained on its website
that those younger than 18 make up only 2% of cases, state data paints a much less rosy picture." :o

:idea: This article hints that younger people have long been vulnerable to this virus (with severity a similar low percentage
of age group as those "at risk"), but most may remain asymptomatic. With increased/better testing the reality is revealed.
Perhaps, not so obvious symptoms are also being considered now. ;)

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Post by Amigoo » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:38 pm

:study: Amazingly, all these months of COVID-19 news rarely mentions the seeming reality of COVID-19 severity:

An aggressive immune system attack on the body, searching all over for the virus and killing those cells without regard to their function or organ of residence. Maybe the virus has spread more rapidly in some people, activating such immune response. Or maybe viral load (initial quantity of virus contracted) triggers the aggressive response. For example, a smaller viral load might be handled more gently by the immune system.

:idea: Best guess: The window of opportunity to prevent aggressive response is shorter, relative to initial viral load. With nose and throat being the typical entry for the virus, OTC medications (or lozenges or whatever) might reduce severity if taken as soon as infection is even slightly suspected. Who can tell? Any time you're in close contact with a non-masked person (or group, especially) might be good time lick a lozenge.

:study: See also: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7113872/

"Lozenges containing amylmetacresol and 2,4-dichlorobenzyl alcohol (AMC/DCBA lozenges) as well as lozenges containing hexylresorcinol have been shown to provide effective symptomatic relief for sore throat."

"These findings suggest that AMC/DCBA lozenge and hexylresorcinol lozenge have the potential to have local antiviral effects in patients with sore throat due to viral respiratory tract infections."

Totally TMI, this article, but the important point is that some lozenges are indeed anti-viral (some with more natural ingredients). ;)
Something else to zinc about: https://www.uchealth.org/today/zinc-cou ... -covid-19/

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Post by Amigoo » Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:05 pm

:study: Re: https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-janett ... virus-risk

"The benefits of having children in classrooms far outweigh the risk of COVID-19"

"A study out of Britain shows that these children -- under the age of 10, especially -- are 1,000 times less likely to die
from coronavirus than someone who is over the age of 65."

:cheers: Good points! ... but children require lotsa adults for their schooling,
adults who are more susceptible to the virus and, especially when asymptomatic,
help spread the virus (children also spread it despite being less vulnerable). ;)

Re-opening schools without significant precautions begs the next wave
... including the wave goodbye to re-opened schools. :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:56 pm

:study: Re: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/health/l ... index.html
(probably not the photo of Daniel Green) ;)

"Daniel Green is still hobbled by the severe viral infection that struck him in March and left him coughing up blood. Three months ago, the 28-year-old postdoctoral research associate from Newcastle, United Kingdom, was on the road with friends in a band as they toured venues in the French Alps. He came down with Covid-19 symptoms, and like many coronavirus patients, spent weeks in bed. Unlike other people, however, Green's life hasn't returned to normal." :(

:idea: This article highlights the unusual characteristic of this coronavirus: How one's immune system responds
is quite unique and sometimes conflicts with survival (when immune response is so severe). :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:04 pm

:study: Re: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... 19s-spread

"Health departments across the country are reporting that younger people are making up larger shares
of total number of those infected with the virus. Greater infection rates among young people are occurring
both in states getting a handle on their outbreaks and those that are not." :o

:idea: We might blame the media (and governments wanting to marginalize the problem)
for such early shouting about the coronavirus affecting only elderly and those "at risk".
And with so little known about this new virus, expert opinions were often in conflict. ;)

:cheers: Surprise! This coronavirus loves everybody!
(but sometimes takes longer to get acquainted ...
depending on experience of each immune system
and initial viral load, apparently). :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:32 am

:study: Re: https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/07 ... axx-cheng/

"Claremont (California) 13-Year-Old Dies After Experiencing COVID-19 Symptoms"

"isolating in his room for the last three weeks"

:scratch: Since a patient is infectious for the first week or two, isolation in a room (or house)
may have been giving him repeated exposure to the virus (continuing room contamination). :roll:


:study: Re: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/nyre ... doors.html

"Schools Beat Earlier Plagues With Outdoor Classes"

:idea: Another hint that air is continually contaminated by the infected
and needs to be exchanged often for fresh air (or well-filtered air). ;)

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Post by Amigoo » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:14 pm

:study: Re: https://www.sentryair.com/hepa-filter-coronavirus.htm

"the coronavirus is not a stand-alone, 'floating-in-thin-air' virus, but it must be attached to something (water droplets, bacteria, dust)."

"Coronavirus (COVID-19) falls in between 0.06 micron (60 nanometers) and 0.14 micron (140 nanometers) in diameter. In a 2016-study by NASA, it was tested and proven that HEPA filters were most efficient (almost 100%) at filtering particles at 0.01 micron"

:idea: Best guess: A home air filter should be able to filter 0.01 micron particles to be useful for reducing COVID-19.
Also, this hints about the effectiveness (or not) of masks! ;)

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Post by Amigoo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:11 pm

Numbers Roulette (morning musing about COVID-19)

The average mask is moderately protective of both preventing virus spread
as well as preventing a new infection. Severe immune response seems related
to quantity of virus exposure plus duration and/or repetition of exposure.

The average citizen of a typical community plays a Numbers Roulette
when daring to be out and about where only average masking occurs
(average quality as well as some people refusing to wear a mask). :(

"Contraction" (immune system does not immediately eradicate virus)
depends on quantity/duration of virus particles during exposure
plus effectiveness of one's own mask (plus hand washing, etc.).

Of course, not wearing a mask if asymptomatic is reckless ;)
(and/or anti-authority) ... and a clue to others "at risk"
to leave the area yesterday (otherwise ASAP). :roll:

Or double the Roulette! Vegas is partially open now :!:

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Post by Amigoo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:43 pm

:study: Re: https://www.duke-nus.edu.sg/allnews/med ... ndividuals

"The T cells, along with antibodies, are an integral part of the human immune response against viral infections due to their ability to directly target and kill infected cells. A Singapore study has uncovered the presence of virus-specific T cell immunity in people who recovered from COVID-19 and SARS, as well as some healthy study subjects who had never been infected by either virus."

"Importantly, the team showed that patients who recovered from SARS 17 years ago after the 2003 outbreak,
still possess virus-specific memory T cells and displayed cross-immunity to SARS-CoV-2."

:idea: This research hints that antibodies alone are not sufficient predictors of a subsequent infection. ;)

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Post by Amigoo » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:08 pm

:study: Re: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/21/us/calif ... index.html

"Anne Rimoin, an epidemiology professor at the University of California Los Angeles, says the answer is simple. 'Some governments and people became complacent. You know, we opened up too soon. We didn't have the virus totally under control ... but people are not following the rules. They're not wearing masks. They're not social distancing. They're not doing what it is that they need to do.' "

:idea: Obviously! ... but many people are cooperating! 8)

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Post by Amigoo » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:16 pm

:study: Re: https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-n ... id/978228/

"South Korean epidemiologists have found that people were more likely to contract the new coronavirus from members of their own households than from contacts outside the home."

"The findings showed just two out of 100 infected people had caught the virus from non-household contacts, while one in 10 had contracted the disease from their own families."

"Children with COVID-19 were also more likely to be asymptomatic than adults, which made it harder to identify index cases within that group."

:idea: Hints that opening schools will increase more transmission at home if children exposed at school?

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Post by Amigoo » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:55 am

:study: Re: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 67462.html

"A different pandemic swept across the world a century ago, killing about 60 million people. Schools and businesses closed, and many cities required people to wear face masks to slow the spread of the devastating influenza outbreak of 1918. And back then, just like today, some people balked at the idea of the government telling them what to do." :roll:

"About 2,000 members of the so-called Anti-Mask League gathered in San Francisco in 1919
'for a rally denouncing the mask ordinance and proposing ways to defeat it' " :o

:duh If "third time's a charm" we've got one more pandemic to experience before masks will be tolerated
(apparently, it's best that the government not try to promote this super simple prevention). ;)

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Post by Amigoo » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:59 am

:study: Re: https://newswithviews.com/covid-19-rare ... er-person/

"What people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don’t really know why. But, what happens is if you flatten the curve, you also prolong, to widen it, and it takes more time. I don’t see a good reason for a respiratory disease to stay in the population longer than necessary."

:bana: Popular perspective, but overwhelmed hospitals, crematories, and mortuaries (including emptying nursing homes)
tend to spook a population ... and cause more grief for the government than it trying to "flatten the curve"
(cause slower spread of the virus). :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:04 am

:study: Re: https://www.foxnews.com/us/these-n95-ma ... oronavirus

"Given that most of the value of these masks is not to protect the wearer but to protect others from a potentially contagious
asymptomatic wearer, those one-way valves make the masks practically useless for protecting others" :o

OMG! How many months has it taken to disclose the real value of masks :?: :!:
(keep infected people from spreading the virus). :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:46 am

:study: Re: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/21/europe/m ... index.html

"But in many other nations, that discussion is long over and mask mandates are becoming the norm."

:idea: Might be because masks have been proven - worldwide - to be effective,
albeit not perfect considering what mask, how worn, and by whom. :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:13 pm

:study: Re: https://www.studyfinds.org/covid-19-pat ... in-hearts/

"The team at LSU says that the damage done to the hearts of COVID-19 patients is not consistent with typical heart muscle inflammation patterns seen with myocarditis (heart muscle inflammation). Instead, the observed pattern of cell death is quite unique, and spread across scattered, individual heart muscle cells."

"The 'cytokine storm,' or overreaction of the immune system to the infection, may also contribute to these observations."

"Most of the patients are African-American, with 10 being male and 12 being female. Their ages range from middle age (44 years old) to elderly (79). Most had preexisting high blood pressure, half had type 2 diabetes, and 41% were obese."

:idea: More evidence that this coronavirus ain't typical flu ...
and identifies characteristics of a risk group. :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:12 pm

:study: Re: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/covid-19 ... 00421.html

"From the perspective of trial design, the trials share the same mechanism, namely inducing balanced humoral and cellular immune responses.
We hope that a single-dose can be effective in the time of pandemic, whereas the Oxford team further testes a 'two-dose' protection."

Hopefully :finger: "testes" is a typographical error ...
rather than grammatical complement to "two-dose". :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:40 pm

:study: Re: https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-ancho ... hloroquine

"Risch told Ingraham that he thinks hydroxychloroquine could save 75,000 to 100,000 lives if the drug is widely used as a prophylactic against coronavirus, especially for frontline workers."

:idea: "Prophylactic" seems to be the real benefit of hydroxychloroquine since it must be taken as soon as (or before ; - ) infection occurs to be most effective. Asymptomatics would not know that they were infected and symptoms appear only after multiple days of infection. :roll:

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Post by happyrain » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:38 pm

https://banned.video/watch?id=5f1a00ab68370e02f296d7f2

same thing happened to my parents friends, they received a notice that they tested positive for corona, all without ever taking a test.

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Post by Amigoo » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:02 am

:o The reality of the coronavirus (comment from today's email about an elderly couple)

"Betty and Curtis - hosts of the most stable long-lived study group of Fort Worth passed away hand-in-hand
about six weeks ago in a hospital having contracted the COVID-19 virus" :(

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Post by Amigoo » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:46 am

:study: Re: https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor ... index.html

"There's certainly some activities that the benefit they provide versus the risk of infection means they probably shouldn't be allowed for the rest of this year and until the numbers get way, way down. Going to bars is one of those activities. I joke if people went into bars and they didn’t talk, it’d be okay to just sit quietly and drink."

:idea: Obviously, Gate's reference is to sharing infection by one's breath (virus particles) - the more breath (talking loudly, sneezing, coughing) the more virus is shared! And this suggests why masks can help prevent the spread (infected people spread this virus). ;)

:scratch: Who knew :?: :!: Masks just need a hole for a straw :!:
What straw goes with Chardonnay? or Merlot? or a Stout?

:scratch: So, how do you eat with a straw :?: :!:
Smoothies? Strands of oiled spaghetti? Whipped dogs?
Or put the doggie bag over your head while eating? :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:02 am

:study: Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html

"KFC customer goes viral after turning her takeaway chicken box into makeshift personal protection equipment"

:duh Everyone should have been well instructed months ago on what qualifies as an effective mask.
Most likely, the great majority of masks today (especially self-crafted masks) are not that protective,
relative to medical quality that can be purchased. ;)

:bana: However, with the importance of masks being the prevention of spreading the coronavirus,
most of the masks worn are better than nothing (IMO) ... except the black mesh stocking mask
worn by a customer in a local grocery store! :roll:

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Post by Amigoo » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:40 am

:study: Re: https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/disc ... mendation/

"The idea behind an N95 mask is it has a filtering ability down to, and actually below, the size of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. So the coronavirus is about 0.12 microns in diameter and N95 (masks) protect down to 0.1 microns, with 95% efficiency, where it gets its name."

:idea: This article recommends that these N95 masks be reserved for medical professionals, but this paragraph quoted gives clear advice on what qualifies as a good mask (relative to particle filtering); how the mask fits, etc., is different criteria. However, another site mentioned that the virus is usually attached to larger particles in the air (e.g., moisture or dust), suggesting masks at least be able to filter those particles. :finger:

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