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Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:42 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -work.html

"Holland's top scientists, having examined key data and research, have declared there is no firm evidence to back the use of face coverings."

:idea: Apparently, statistical maneuvering past situations where (quality) masks would indeed help prevent the spread of this coronavirus. However, at this late date, world participation in prevention is still insufficient (sometimes hostile) to keep this virus from spreading. An EZ Bottom Line: herd immunity may be just around the corner! ... and non-participation seems limited enough (IMO) to keep the spreading at a "tolerable" rate (relative to overwhelmed hospitals, medical personnel, and mortuaries). :roll:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:38 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7263249/

"Human coronavirus data from four clinical trials of masks and respirators" June, 2020

"no coronavirus infections were transmitted in households to parents who wore P2 or surgical masks.
No transmissions to close contacts occurred when worn by sick patients with coronavirus infections."

:idea: This very recent study confirms that P2(N95) and surgical masks help prevent the spread of the coronavirus (other masks such as cloth may help somewhat). Online information also mentions that one's infection could increase if their mask is not replaced (or washed) frequently.

:duh And logically, if masks do not help prevent the spread of germs and viruses why have so many surgical masks
been used for decades?! To make doctors look like doctors for TV shows :?: :!:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:25 pm
by Amigoo
:scratch: With the simplicity and effectiveness of masks, if there's any conspiracy,
it may be conspiracy to discourage their use so that the virus will keep spreading
and vaccines can be the preferred (even mandated) solution. :roll:

After all, there's much more profit in vaccines (and yearly administration)
than in surgical masks that are sold "over-the-counter" in MANY stores. ;)

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:36 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/lifest ... 454667.php

"But when she's being introspective, she credits a strong immune system, avoidance of excessive worry and even her love of red wine."
"Jesus did not change water into wine so that I could look at it."

:scratch: Who knew :?: :!:
A strong (effective) immune system is most important. ;)
But Jesus' wine didn't cost a lot more than water!
... and required only divine desire to create. :roll:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:13 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/colorado ... ccusations

What's noteworthy about this is society's continuing resistance to coronavirus mitigation
... and this trend predicts significant resurgence of the virus within weeks. :(
... but this will help justify government-mandated vaccination. :roll:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:08 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN2511VH

"There are currently no approved vaccines for COVID-19. More than 20 are in clinical trials."

:idea: Apparently, several vaccines will be available for U.S. distribution but not necessarily a patient's choice
(vaccines might be limited to regions or certain groups of people or medical facilities or ...).

Best guess: Side effects, in any, for the different vaccines will be mild and 2 doses might be required.
However, the vaccines' effectiveness seems less predictable (known currently by limited testing). ;)

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:33 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/mas ... ial-policy

It's probably time to let the virus run its course ... if masks don't help. ;)
And encouraging people to get the virus might quicken herd immunity!

:idea: A store waiting area with people already infected would help!
Just call it a refreshment area with no masks required.

But wait! These may exist already! :roll:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:59 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/us/georg ... index.html

"Georgia student suspended after posting a photo of a crowded school hallway"

:idea: What's obvious about this photo is that crowded hallways CAN be better protected
with strong, well-filtered air flow from lower to higher to minimize cross-flow across students' faces.
Not cheap AC improvement, but AC filtering is becoming common in hospitals and medical facilities
... because it helps minimize air contamination! ;)

:scratch: Technical guess: Frequent return air ducts in the ceiling would be sufficient
with air filtering and increased air intake pressure installed where convenient. 8)

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:32 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavi ... ults-study

"The coronavirus uses ACE2 to enter the human body, where it spreads"
"The nasal passages are usually the first point of contact for SARS-CoV-2 and the human body"
"researchers ... discovered children had lower levels of ACE2 gene expression than adults"

:idea: Note the underlying message: We contract this virus by breathing contaminated air :!:
So, if masks don't work, then having our own air supply is the answer! :o

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:21 pm
by Amigoo
:idea: Articles about the young being less vulnerable to COVID-19, this headline:
"Covid deaths as percentage of all deaths close to no epidemic levels",
and articles about masks not being effective may ignore a vulnerability:

The young might be more vulnerable when exposure is greater (more frequent or intense),
which would be the case if current but limited protection efforts are stopped. :roll:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:25 pm
by Amigoo
:idea: Apparently, if a young person shows evidence of this coronavirus in their nasal passages, that person HAS contracted the virus ... even if "asymptomatic". As long as their immune system can keep this quantity of the virus from replicating into a greater quantity (with more internal presence), they will be perceived as not vulnerable to the virus. That even such limited quantities of the virus can be shared with others who may be more vulnerable (relative to their immune system health) is a different perspective. :roll:

Apparently, so much of the news in recent months is focused on test results ... giving NO significant feedback on what is happening with those not tested. Further, governments - worldwide - seem to be controlling reported trends by controlling testing, directly by who can be tested or indirectly by slower test results (aka "backlog"). ;)

:o Bottom line: Who really knows the current status of this coronavirus that keeps propagating whenever and wherever permitted?! The relative lower death rate per infections seems consistent for months ... as is the numbers of ICU beds sometimes unavailable and numbers of mass graves suddenly required in some countries! :shock:

Apparently, we need not be alarmed by statistical reporting that is positive sometimes and negative sometimes - even at the same time!, depending on information sources. The only obvious trend to date is that the virus will keep spreading, but more slowly as a reasonable percentage of society participates in prevention. :finger:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:51 am
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.chron.com/news/article/40-o ... 469295.php

"(Ljunggren) said the amount of virus someone is exposed to - called the inoculum -
'is almost certainly an important and likely factor' based on what we know about other viruses." :o

:idea: Interesting discussion about the reasons for apparent immunity (albeit "immunity" often seems defined elsewhere as having no symptoms yet being contagious). Apparently, the inoculum (quantity of initial virus exposure) is the trigger for immune system activation ... and might determine if a first phase immune response (T cells?) is sufficient or if more aggressive response (with inflammation) is required next. :(

:scratch: That quantity of ACE2 receptors on epithelial and endothelial tissue seems related to quantity of virus contracted might explain why children are less vulnerable to this virus. However, a sufficient inoculum may still cause significant infection ... and inoculum might also be that amount of virus exposure over a short period of time (e.g., hours - not a few minutes). ;)

See also:
Re: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7167720/
"Tissue distribution of ACE2 protein, the functional receptor for SARS coronavirus."
Re: https://www.virology.ws/2009/07/01/the- ... -response/
"The inflammatory response"
Re: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3073297/
"Aging, imbalanced inflammation and viral infection"

"our work indicates that older people may succumb to viral infection due to exaggerated immune responses ... indicate that novel anti-inflammatory drugs may resolve imbalanced inflammation and improve outcomes in older people infected with viruses." ;)

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:23 am
by Amigoo
novel anti-inflammatory drugs may resolve imbalanced inflammation and improve outcomes
:scratch: When Hydroxychlorquine is beneficial, inflammation reduction may be a significant part of the benefit:

Re: https://www.aocd.org/page/Hydroxychloroquine

"Hydroxychloroquine is thought to improve symptoms of systemic diseases by preventing inflammation. For example, to treat both rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), it has been hypothesized that the drug suppresses T-lymphocytes by increasing the pH inside lysosomes, which disables leukocyte chemotaxis. This prevents leukocytes from being activated which decrease the inflammation seen in many systemic diseases"

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:44 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: More research about children and COVID-19:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/latest-res ... 1596978001

:idea: Rarely mentioned in related articles - for months! worldwide! - is that observable symptoms were usually the justification for suspecting infection. Only recently is it well known that both children and adults can be asymptomatic, with the majority (about 80%) of these never developing observable symptoms (yet remaining contagious for days after initial infection). :o

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:26 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/0 ... irus-intl/

Israel's experience with reopening schools and teachers being infected by students. :(

:idea: Teachers might gargle occasionally with a protective mouthwash and/or use a nasal inhaler for the same reason.
This might help minimize their virus exposure, keeping any particles inhaled from entering cells. :finger:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:01 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/health/u ... index.html

"researchers across the country -- and globe -- are working to answer the mysteries that remain around infections.
One of those mysteries: why the experience can be so vastly different from person to person. One expert says
the answer may mean taking a closer look at previous vaccines individuals have had."

:idea: Actually, past immune system experience, whether from vaccines or actual exposure to viruses,
(plus current health) determines one's current immune response to any new exposure. ;)

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:52 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/08/1 ... se-nation/

"We are spreading it in closed respiratory environments. Get outside." ;)

:idea: Continuing evidence that this virus spreads mostly(?) in the air, apparently more easily inside buildings and transportation
(both air conditioned?) ... with many people still avoiding masks/distancing ... even in a tropical Paradise :!:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:09 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... neral.html

" 'It's spread like wildfire': More than 40 members of same family - including five-month-old twins and 77-year-old - contract COVID-19 after relative - who knew she was infected - flew from Arizona to West Virginia funeral - and didn't wear a mask"

:idea: This should effectively retire the seasonal "It's just an allergy!" ... and emphasizes that this virus goes wherever and whenever it's permitted! Unfortunately, a funeral is an event characterized by lotsa close contact, sometimes for days. :roll:

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:41 pm
by Amigoo
More than 40 members of same family contract COVID-19
:idea: That "40 members of the same family" contracted this virus during a family gathering stands in bold contrast to seasonal flu, where it's extremely rare for similar occurrence! This highlights an important characteristic of the coronavirus: No average large-group of people have significant immunity - the virus is so new, unique, and infectious :!:

:idea: That 80% of people who become infected have no or mild symptoms highlights a contrasting characteristic of immune systems:
Many are better (more experienced) than others! 8)

LOL1: That we know this stuff about the virus hints that seasonal flu may be just as contagious! But, with the flu's testing
only when symptoms are present, suggests that much greater coronavirus testing skews the real rates in today's societies.
LOL2: Who knew?! We've been skewed ... by the testing statistics of 2020 (and panicked governments)!
LOL3: Who knows?! How to synthesize this information from the past, present, and future (forecasts)?
LOL4: Who can tell?! Why skewered chicken (or beef) with complementary veggies comes to mind!
... of course, barbecued outside with diners wearing masks (or doggie bags over their heads).
... and considering that some might prefer faux chicken or faux beef or faux fu (tofu). :roll:

Rod ... :bike: ... (off for faux ice cream
... considering typical additives and fillers) ;)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:24 am
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://news.yahoo.com/san-quentin-coro ... 59867.html

"more than two-thirds of the prison's population has been infected"
"You couldn’t help but get it — you’re in a place with no ventilation"

:idea: More evidence of the virus being transmitted in the air ...
especially inside buildings. However, that only two-thirds are infected
hints that some prisoners (and guards) have impressive immunity! :o

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:14 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronaviru ... 1597143065

"New Zealand reported its first locally transmitted cases of the coronavirus in 102 days, prompting authorities to reimpose restrictions in its biggest city as they scramble to prevent a wider outbreak."

:idea: Subtle notice that this virus will require constant monitoring and complementary protections, at least until effective vaccines and current exposures create the touted "herd immunity". And New Zealand's suddenly intense response to just a few cases indicates how easily this coronavirus can spread! :o

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:51 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-08-11- ... ntary.html

(Dr. Wakefield) "You cannot rush this kind of thing" :roll:

:idea: Health damage from vaccines rushed to market may affect only a small percentage of the population,
but who wants to be in this minority :?: :!: Perhaps rushed testing of different vaccines may provide
some options and opportunity for better decisions about these near-term inoculations. :finger:

:scratch: Quick analysis: Run! - Don't walk! - to solutions for better immune system function,
perhaps needed just to counteract any negative effects of a poorly tested vaccine. ;)

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:47 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... study.html

"Pfizer's jab is a type of vaccine called a lipid nanoparticle vaccine, meaning genetic material (RNA) linked to the coronavirus is transported into the body inside a bubble made of lipids, which are fatty molecules. The Pfizer trial found that most of the 36 people who received the jab suffered from pain at the injection site ... Some people who received the jab also suffered from 'mild to moderate fatigue' and headaches in the week after the jab. Some also had chills, muscle pain, and joint pain" :roll:

:study: See also (learn about mRNA vaccines before inoculation! - not after):

Re: http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/ ... t-disease/

"In each cell of a living organism, DNA is the molecule that contains the genetic information of the organism. It is composed of a series of four building blocks, whose sequence gives the instructions to fabricate proteins. This process requires a transient intermediary called messenger RNA that carries the genetic information to the cell machinery responsible for protein synthesis"

Re: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 180975330/

"An mRNA vaccine contains a synthetic version of the RNA that a virus uses to form proteins. The vaccine doesn’t contain enough genetic information to produce viral proteins; just enough to trick the immune system into thinking a virus is present so that it will spring into action to make antibodies, which are proteins specifically designed to fight a virus."

Re: https://horizon-magazine.eu/article/fiv ... cines.html

"Because mRNA vaccines are only now beginning to be tested in humans, there are a lot of fairly basic unknowns which can only be answered through human trials."

:scratch: Your research homework: RNA is genetic information for DNA to create proteins. These vaccines are engineered to contain just enough genetic information to cause creation of antibodies which fight a virus. Since proteins are being created, what's the risk of creating unwanted proteins ... now or later? Accelerated testing of this new type of vaccine claims the vaccines are both effective and safe! Why not volunteer for first wave inoculations to help prove this? Please keep us informed! ;)

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:49 pm
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-sher ... irus-masks

[a comment] "Went to the doctor to get COVID test after having a fever for 2 days. Fever broke before getting to Dr office.
I wasn't asked to wear a mask and the doctor didn't either. I asked him why he didn't. He said 'they are useless. Wash your hands
and don't touch your face.' So I'll go with his advice." ;)

:idea: C'est la vie! ... and the reason why the virus will keep spreading - worldwide!
Not to worry! Most people will be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms;
the others will be noted/remembered in their medical records. :roll:

:study: Re: https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronaviru ... 1597233600

"The coronavirus hit Kati Finn and six girlfriends after they went to a winery in northwestern Ohio last month where they played a game
called 'Name That Tune' with about 90 other people. Within days, 71 people from the event tested positive for Covid-19."

:idea: The tune of this virus is "Name That Test" (the one you get for exposure to COVID-19),
the tune that everybody on the planet will know soon enough! :(

Rod :)

Re: Questioning Covid — the best website for information

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:07 am
by Amigoo
:study: Re: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/12/health/c ... index.html

"a recent study published in JAMA Pediatrics concluded younger kids may carry higher amounts of the virus in their nose, as compared to adults. And any parent will tell you how easily little kids spread viruses in their own homes. When our kids were very young, a single cold in any one of them meant the whole family was going to soon become infected."

:idea: It's been true (and well known) for decades, this kidspread, but this time it's a new virus that spreads easily ... :roll:
for which no one had immunity! The upside of it spreading is that "herd immunity" might be achievable before 2021.

Rod :)