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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:09 pm

:study: (sample product) Re: https://www.amazon.com/10-Seconds-Shoe- ... B00BSGDZVQ

"This powerful hospital-use disinfectant and deodorant acts quickly on germ-laden surfaces after they have been thoroughly cleaned. Reduces the hazard of bacterial cross-contamination. Effectively sanitizes against odor-causing organisms on athletic mats, athletic shoes, and similar porous surfaces on other athletic equipment. Kills many hard-to-kill germs, including MRSA"

Note: "after they have been thoroughly cleaned" :!:

Best guess: Reserve a pair of shoes for walking outside, spray them before/after use and store them in a ZipLock bag. Use other shoes at final destination and at home. Probably a type of spray good for home entrance mats having a bristled surface (to better scrape the soles).

By now, everyone knows to wash hands after cleaning those shoes. :roll:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:14 pm

:sunflower: Quick Reflection on "Panic or Prepare"

Just follow the virus! - it's real, very contagious, quickly spreading (worldwide), causing expensive hospitalization of many of the infected (death for a percentage of those), and motivating serious life-confining, government-enforced quarantine for many communities.

But don't fear :!: - Your relatives, friends and neighbors will probably share the resources they've "hoarded" (the government implies that two weeks of supplies is not "hoarding").

But don't fear :!: - The massive quantities of medicines, parts, and other consumer goods, usually in daily export from China, will some day resume.

But don't fear :!: - You're destined to leave the planet sooner or later (don't prepare and it may be sooner ... or you may assist someone else in departing with your undetected infection).

"Panic" :?: That's how other people describe your actions.
"Prepare" :?: That's the current U.S. government and CDC advice.
"Read" :?: The enlightening (or entertaining) opinions of "Panic or Prepare".

:idea: Interestingly, this virus is like a slow-moving tsunami ...
We have the option of getting out of its way (preparing) or taking a chance that we won't be affected (infected).
In a few months (it's really slow-moving), the tsunami will have receded and life will slowly return to normal ...
that is, life remaining will return to normal - the other life has gone on to a better life (apparently). :finger:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:42 am

:study: Re: https://www.bustle.com/p/how-vitamin-c- ... u-19300887 [November 2019]

"A study in mice in 2017 provided a clue: It showed that if the mice had high levels of vitamin C when they were exposed to the flu, their bodies produced higher levels of interferons — proteins created by the immune system to fight viruses. These boosted interferon levels made it harder for the flu virus to replicate, and stopped it in its tracks before it could take over the body."

"It's important to note that when mice in the study already had serious flu symptoms, vitamin C didn't help. While science shows that the duration of the common cold might be shorter if you take vitamin C while you're recovering, the flu is a different kind of respiratory virus, and the same rules don't apply. A 1999 study on humans showed some relief of flu symptoms when patients were given vitamin C, but current science indicates that vitamin C is most helpful for influenza prevention, not as a cure." :o

:idea: This research seems to parallel similar benefit of colloidal silver (good preventative - not as good for recovery). However, good hydration with water and some other liquids is important for recovery from disease. And vitamin C, a water-soluble vitamin, requires good kidney function else excess C can become toxic. :(

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:13 am

:idea: This vitamin C research is suggesting (IMO) that, since the serious complications of flu (e.g., inflammation and fluid buildup in the lungs) is a result of the body's massive response to the triggering mechanism of ACE2 receptors (virus molecules attach to these), a higher level of interferons initially would have prevented such a massive response. But once this immune response occurs, more interferons are not so effective (it may be too late for this vitamin C benefit). :(

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:07 am

:idea: A bit TMI with medical reporting, but at least shows the sophistication of China's recent research on this virus:

:study: Re: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00003-1

SARS-CoV-2 uses angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2)
and the cellular protease transmembrane protease serine 2 (TMPRSS2) to enter target cells.

Re: https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease ... -causes-it

This virus was first named "severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2" (SARS-CoV-2),
then WHO renamed it to COVID-19. ;)

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:14 am

:study: Re: https://vitamindwiki.com/tiki-download_ ... download=y
"Long-term vitamin D deficiency can lead to over-activation of the renin-angiotensin system (RAS)"

Discusses ACE drugs* and how vitamin D can reduce over-activation of the RAS.
* ACE (angiotensin converting enzyme) inhibitors and ARBs (Angiotensin II receptor blockers)

:idea: This might suggest that lesser activation of the RAS (as ACE drugs help lower blood pressure),
might reduce the excessive immune response to Covid-19 (since the ACE-2 enzyme allows transit
of the virus through the ACE receptor in tissue). Also, alveolar epithelial type II cells are
a major source of the angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE-2).

While vitamin D deficiency may not explain Covid-19 infection, it's interaction with the RAS
might suggest direction for research (via the ACE enzyme/receptor mechanisms). :finger:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:22 am

:scratch: So, does this suggest that those with a greater number of ACE receptors
(such as Asians) have greater (excessive) immune response to Covid-19
when there's more ACE-2 enzyme being created :?:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:06 pm

Re: https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/ex-cdc-he ... -carriers/

"He cited a report of a 10-year-old boy who visited the outbreak’s epicenter in China and didn’t show any symptoms of the virus. But when the boy’s parents insisted doctors test him, he was diagnosed with the virus" :o

:idea: This might suggest that the ACE-2 connection - not physical age - is the secret of infection without symptoms (thus an infected person can spread the disease unknowingly). And children may have less immune response (via ACE-2 enzyme/receptors), therefore no or very minor symptoms ("It's just allergies."). ;)

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:55 pm

:study: About hand sanitizing ..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/arti ... -skin.html
https://wellnessmama.com/281/homemade-hand-sanitizer/ (mentions colloidal silver) ;)

:idea: However, bacteria and viruses are different critters, often requiring different treatment.
It might be neccessary to use a harsh sanitizer for a virus, then apply a nurturing cream later
after washing and drying hands).

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:08 am

:study: Re: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opin ... hers-67160

"But based on research on other respiratory viruses, experts theorize that whether a coronavirus infection takes a turn for the worse depends on a person’s immune response."

"some people—especially the elderly and sick—may have dysfunctional immune systems that fail to keep the response to particular pathogens in check. This could cause an uncontrolled immune response, triggering an overproduction of immune cells and their signaling molecules and leading to a cytokine storm often associated with a flood of immune cells into the lung."

"Both SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 [Covid-19], however, are capable of invading deep into the lungs, something that is associated with more severe disease. One possible reason for this is that the virus binds to the ACE-2 receptor on human cells in order to gain entry. This receptor is present in ciliated epithelial cells in the upper and lower airway, as well as in type II pneumocytes, which reside in the alveoli in the lower airway and produce lung-lubricating proteins."

:idea: With excessive immune response associated with age (and other factors), required medical care (and urgency) seems predictable. Anticipating excessive immune response might be standard therapy once infection is confirmed by testing (or even if Covid-19 infection is suspected).

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:40 am

Related research ...

:study: Re: http://atm.amegroups.com/article/view/12396/html (November 2016)
"Treating the host response to emerging virus diseases: lessons learned from sepsis, pneumonia, influenza and Ebola"

"Statins and angiotensin receptor blockers (ARBs) have been effective in treating patients with sepsis, pneumonia and influenza, and a statin/ARB combination appeared to dramatically reduce mortality during the recent Ebola outbreak. These drugs target (among other things) the endothelial dysfunction found in all of these diseases."

"Most scientists work on new drugs that target viruses, and few accept the idea of treating the host response with generic drugs. A great deal of research will be needed to show conclusively that these drugs work, and this will require the support of public agencies and foundations."

:lol: It would be intriguing for the pharmaceutical industry to prefer new drugs and vaccines
rather than using widely available generic drugs to treat this new virus. :roll:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:58 am

:study: Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... mates.html

"says coronavirus is 'very mild', believes infected patients can get better without seeing a doctor" 8)

:idea: Apparently true! ... for many people under 60 ... without existing medical problems,
but those patients - even without symptoms - can infect the over-60 group. :roll:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:38 am

:study: Re: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ographics/

"Age, Sex, Existing Conditions of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths" (February 29, 2020)

Shows vulnerability of people over 60 or with existing medical problems.

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:26 pm

:idea: Schools, businesses, and organizations should encourage one's daily temperature check and recording that value in a pocket-size diary or monthly schedule. A change in one's daily average temperature might indicate illness just starting. Of course, a business (et al.) could promote itself with advertising and helpful information on the diary. ;)

:idea: Presenting that diary where appropriate might allay concern's about one's health and including blood pressure checks may be important.
Ultimately, the monthly diaries may become valuable mementos of "I survived the Virus of 19/20" :roll

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:02 pm

Re: Daily temperature diary ...

:idea: Such a simple, inexpensive device (diary) could promote worldwide camaraderie
(re: "We're in this together!") at a stressful time. ;)

No, Jason, "I have the hots for you!"
is not good to write in your girlfriend's diary ... at this time. :roll:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:35 am

:study: Re: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 966724002/

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says hand-washing with soap and water is the best way to clean your hands,
but when that's not an option, the agency recommends using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol.

"The Texas-based vodka brand (Tito's) said Thursday in a statement on Twitter that its vodka is 40% alcohol,
which is below the CDC's recommendation." ;)

:bana: Which reminds me ...
my Finnish friend always claimed that drinking white wine instead of water
was her secret to better health, free of bacteria and viruses. 8)
"What variety of grape is best?" I asked.
"Yes!" she responded. :roll:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:53 am

:study: Re: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... story.html

"if taking your vitamin C or some other supposed immune enhancer simply makes you feel good, go ahead. Taking a supplement is an intervention a person can implement immediately ... This leads to feelings of control and may even have a placebo effect of enhancing their well-being even if the supplement isn’t actually enhancing the immune system." :roll:

:idea: Apparent summary: "Boosting your immune system" is a good thing, but the best you can do is improve a weak immune system, to make it function as it should every day - not just tuned up for a particular disease. Besides, an overactive immune system is a bad thing! ;)

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:23 pm

:study: Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html

"Mother reveals her husband and two sons from LA community less than 10 miles from Kim Kardashian's home are among 15 friends who have tested positive for coronavirus following trip to exclusive Italian ski resort"

:idea: Typically, in a large group of travelers with everyone exposed to the same flu, fewer people will contract the flu. This hints how contagious Covid-19 is, albeit symptoms are still like typical flu (age/health-related severity). And this suggests why early quarantine is important :!:

Actually, everyone in the group probably contracts the virus, but people with effective immune systems* defeat the virus quickly and do not show symptoms (* perhaps the benefit of a vaccine). ;)

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:35 pm

:idea: New insight ...

Being sick in public spaces is not "indecent exposure", but contaminating the environment (especially air) is indecent!
After all, Covid-19 is being transmitted person-to-person, considering the medical caregivers who are contracting
the virus from patients ... or passengers in public transportation contracting it from another passenger. :(

:o This may be the virus that finally convinces humanity that being sick in public spaces should be prohibited ...
at least when no reasonable precautions are taken to limit sharing of the disease! ;)

:roll: Of course, no one wants to identify themself as the only sick person in a room (e.g., by wearing a mask),
but a color-coded mask and/or other identification might give evidence that their cavorting in public
is permitted by their doctor or other health official. :finger:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:41 am

:study: Dr. Seheult discusses Covid-19 in YouTube updates (search Google "seheult update").
Most recent: Update 32 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeh054-Hx1U

Very good medical information, well presented :!:

:idea: After viewing several of these videos, I suspect that asymptomatic carriers of Covid-19 (including children) are those primarily responsible for transmitting this virus (because they and related others don't know about the infection). Quarantine has become the primary response - worldwide - once infection is proven by testing. :roll:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:07 pm

:study: Epidemic Update 12: Unsupported Theories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT3_A1bf9pU

:idea: Discussion of ACE2 receptors (lower in lungs) and possibility that smoking is more related to number of ACE2 receptors than race or gender.

And hints (IMO) that number of ACE2 receptors determines when symptoms appear and the severity of those symptoms. While smoking seems related, any previous lung problem (especially environmental like pollution) may also explain the greater number of ACE2 receptors and/or their facilitating Covid-19 infection. Age and existing disease, according to the accumulating statistics, are showing even more relationship to severity of Covid-19 than race or gender.

:study: Re: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16303146

"the more elevated ACE2 in young adults (rats) as compared to aged groups may contribute to the predominance in SARS attacks"

:idea: A study suggesting that number of ACE2 receptors is indeed significant, perhaps because the higher the number of receptors the greater the severity of symptoms. However, in this study of SARS, increasing age did not explain the greater number of receptors.

There seems to be accumulating evidence that, in years past, a virus carrier needed to have obvious symptoms before the carrier was tested to prove their infection. And asymptomatic carriers may stay "under the radar" but contagious until their immune system defeats the virus. :o

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:18 pm

:study: Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ought.html

"Coronavirus could be spread by air-conditioning and may be more contagious than previously thought,
scientists believe after finding traces of the virus in hospital air-duct"

"It is standard practice for buildings and cruise ships to use recycled air through air-conditioning systems."

:idea: More evidence that the virus spreads through the air (and is breathed)
more than spreading by touching infected surfaces :?:

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:39 pm

Re: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ought.html

:idea: This might hint why viruses tend to favor colder months:
people are not outdoors so much, breathing fresh air ...
and getting natural vitamin D via sunshine. ;)

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:09 pm

Re: https://dod.hawaii.gov/hiema/emergency- ... -covid-19/
https://www.businessinsider.com/new-yor ... eak-2020-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/califor ... ans-2020-3

:cheers: A reliable trend that hints when it's time to panic about Covid-19:

When more than half of the states have declared an emergency, but ...
panic will be unnecessary because we will have finally prepared. :finger:

Re: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news ... sures.html
"The Diocese of Rome has cancelled all “non-sacramental activities” until 15 March."

:idea: Don't worry about the Pope - he has a different Health Care Plan. ;)

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Re: collodial silver and corona virus

Post by Amigoo » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:39 pm

:study: Re: https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/cdc ... y-endemic/

"CDC says no more testing to be conducted in Seattle Hospitals since everybody has it anyway." :roll:

"CDC has determined that COVID-19 is now endemic, meaning that the virus is now considered
to be regularly found in our region amongst our population." :o

:scratch: "Regularly found in our region" is a bit puzzling ...
since this unique virus just appeared in Wuhan, China several months ago :!:
... but "everybody has it" is probably true by now. ;)

Why not :?: :!: That's what flu does every year: visits everybody!
(many people acknowledge it with symptoms) :roll:

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