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The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Yoder777 » Sun May 17, 2015 11:32 am

Has anyone on this forum read the Bhagavad Gita? I've been fascinated by this book for a long time, yet I've never read the whole thing. I currently have this edition on hold at the library:
http://www.amazon.com/Bhagavad-Gita-Ann ... 1893361284

If there were any god or spiritual being besides Jesus or in place of Jesus for whom I would pledge my devotion, it would be Krishna. The biggest reason why I am not and have never been a follower of Krishna is that I've never seen proof that he historically existed.

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Yoder777 » Mon May 18, 2015 1:05 am

I've had a fascination with Krishna ever since I was in high school, especially due to the similarities between the names Christ and Krishna, and between their lives and teachings. Many Hindus believe Krishna to be the Father of Jesus.

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Sandy » Mon May 18, 2015 8:23 am

I must admit I know next to nothing about the Bhagavad Gita, Yodder. Anne (blue Nova) would know bunches about this...but she hasn't been on the board for a few years.
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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Yoder777 » Mon May 18, 2015 10:36 am

The Bhagavad Gita is the most beloved text of Hinduism. It teaches that the path to salvation is found in loving God and being devoted to him in your daily life, rather than through renunciation and asceticism.

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Yoder777 » Tue May 19, 2015 5:37 am

I appreciate that there are readers of the Urantia Book who've relied on it for decades as their primary source of spiritual truth. I don't want to disparage or discourage any of these people. I've been reading the Urantia Book for over four years now. It's always been a book that's stimulated me intellectually, and provided answers I've had about the universe for most of my life.

The only possible problem I am encountering with the Urantia Book now is that it doesn't resonate with me on an emotional level, and it doesn't seem to provide detailed enough instructions for prayer, meditation, and living a spiritual life. For these reasons, others have saught supplementing the Urantia Book with the Teaching Mission or with books like A Course in Miracles.

What I am thinking about doing is incorporating Hindu texts and practices into my spiritual life. Ever since high school, I have off and on turned to reciting the Hare Krishna mantra as a tool for inner peace. I read some of the Bhagavad Gita a few years ago, and it struck me as a profound love letter from God with specific instructions about how we can follow him.

I understand that, in certain aspects, there are disagreements between the Urantia Book and Hinduism as they are commonly understood, but Hinduism has always been an eclectic faith that welcomes the insights gained from individual experience and interpretation.

When I look at a figure like Krishna, I am reminded of the divine sons in the Urantia Book who appear in the flesh, such as Adam, Melchizedek, and Jesus, and I can't help but wonder if there was a historical Krishna who also incarnated as a divine son on this earth. I am sorry if this seems off base, but it's something that I am at least considering.

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Sandy » Tue May 19, 2015 7:32 am

Dear Yoder,
I am sorry if this seems off base, but it's something that I am at least considering.
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You do not ever have to apologize for your spiritual search. We all wander here and there as spirit moves us. Some staying closer to "home and what feels comfortable and lights their"inner fire" then others do. I, myself, am sort of a bridge builder and can take what is good and resonates from any number of religious beliefs, leaving behind the stuff that personally does not speak to me without comment.

Any spiritual book or artefact can only take us so far as real relationships with the Divine begin in our prayer and meditation life. We can be inspired and books of wisdom can intellectually stimulate us but at some point we must allow the Source of all that is to have access to our hearts. Allowing this Divine Love inside grows our souls and leaves us clamouring for more in a way that books and second hand knowledge of such things cannot. They can give us blue prints, perhaps, but the real work is up to us as we spend time with our Divine family. And it is then, more often then not, that our lives reflect 'fruits of the spirit", reflections outward of this almighty Love. In this way, as our souls grow, we simultaneously lighten the world's burden...at least just a little. It's a big ole wonderful process occurring over and over again in people of all faiths. That is why when someone sits down at my "table"...they don't need to prove the reality of any religious belief they harbour. I want to hear how the Divine moves them and makes their heart sing out! :D
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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Yoder777 » Tue May 19, 2015 10:39 am

It's also worth mentioning that the Bhagavad Gita at least hints at the mansion worlds, saying that the righteous can be reborn into heavenly planets:
http://vedabase.net/bg/2/en

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Yoder777 » Tue May 19, 2015 11:14 pm

In the traditional literature, Krishna is depicted as a playful romantic, a flute player, a husband and father, as well as the incarnation of divine Love. He may not have died for the sins of the world, but as an all around character, both divine and human, Krishna is more appealing for many people than Jesus. And while Jesus' resurrection from the dead is impressive, the more impressive miracle to me would be, if true, when Krishna revealed to Arjuna his infinite form:

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Sandy » Wed May 20, 2015 1:57 am

I suppose in my opinion the most impressive thing about our Jesus is not necessarily his rising from the dead as we all will do that some day. No...it is the way He lived... with unconditional love for all people and in constant communion with the Divine Parent. He gave us a blueprint as to how we too can make the most out of this mortal life we have been given.
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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Yoder777 » Wed May 20, 2015 10:23 am

I really appreciate what you are saying about Jesus, and he did perfectly exemplify unconditional love, but that's also what Hindus believe about Krishna. I am honestly having a hard time at the moment, though, relating to Jesus as a human being. He didn't have a wife and children. He didn't have to pay bills or take care of a home. As an outsider looking in at Hinduism, I think the main reason why he's one of the most well beloved of the gods is because of how easily people relate to him.

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Yoder777 » Wed May 20, 2015 2:01 pm

After some serious searching, I've come to find that there are no Hindu temples or meditation centers in my area. However, there is a Buddhist temple of the Pure Land or Shin school of Buddhism, for which the Urantia Book speaks favorably. Rather than being atheistic, as some schools of Buddhism are, Pure Land Buddhism teaches that liberation is found through taking refuge in Amida, the Buddha of Infinite Light, and those who rely on him will be reborn in the Pure Land, a higher world of peace and happiness.

Please keep in mind that I am not a joiner. My intention is to get involved in a community for the purpose of learning prayer and meditation techniques that I can use in my daily life, for my own peace of mind and spiritual comfort.

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Post by Sandy » Wed May 20, 2015 3:03 pm

Have you read the Jesus papers (fourth part) in the Urantia Book. It is from here that I draw my inspiration on the beautiful life of Jesus. While he did not marry and have children ... As the eldest son, at the age of 14 he became the head of the family when his Father died in an accident. And so in a strangely tragic way he knew what it was like to bear the responsibility for the education, and well being of children. According to the revelations in the Urantia book Jesus revelled in meeting people from all over the world garnering understanding of their difference ways and love for all. It paints a totally different picture to the sterile one often portrayed in other sources.

Still, please know that it makes no difference to me that you are interested in Krishna and the Hindu teachings... or Buddhism in its many forms.. I see absolutely nothing wrong in deeper reflections as I believe all religions and spiritual ideals are quite capable of carrying a piece of the eternal jigsaw. They all have something to offer of eternal value if they promote love and kinship (oneness) and propel the individual towards a closer relationship to the Source of Divine Love.

I hope you discover what your soul craves regardless of where your path leads...(I suspect you will... :D )
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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Yoder777 » Wed May 20, 2015 9:55 pm

I've read the Jesus Papers and I felt that it gave a more compelling picture of Jesus than traditional Christianity. Nonetheless, what I think is missing in the Urantia Book is specific instructions for living the spiritual life, including techniques of prayer and meditation. I wish it was there, because I find the Urantia Book compelling in so many other ways.

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Geoff » Thu May 21, 2015 9:16 am

Yoder777 wrote:I've read the Jesus Papers and I felt that it gave a more compelling picture of Jesus than traditional Christianity. Nonetheless, what I think is missing in the Urantia Book is specific instructions for living the spiritual life, including techniques of prayer and meditation. I wish it was there, because I find the Urantia Book compelling in so many other ways.
That is what the Padgett Messages are all about. And that is the significant difference between the two revelations. But perhaps its light on "techniques of prayer" because its not the technique that is the key, but the soul yearning. I think one has to figure that out for oneself. I do know of a book written by a very spiritual South American priest that is very good in trying to cover both, but actually once you have figured how to activate your soul, and reach out, you can do that standing on your head, as i have proved.

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Big lion » Thu May 21, 2015 6:45 pm

Hi all, I think I've been on this site for about a month now. I have gain a lot of different understanding about numbers, but, at the end of the day im not sure that i'm any closer to the answer that when I first started here. I've tried some of the meditation technique that Sandy suggested. ive only been getting a ring in my ear (still working on it as I just started to do so). one thing for sure is that since ive been on this site the number 11 has been more frequent like 15-30 time per day. im not getting a lot of triple digits number but 99% 11 with another number 911, 511, 411, 111 are the most frequent but by far 911 or 119.
I'm still asking the same question what does this mean?
as stated by others are the numbers different for everyone or do they have the same meaning for everyone?
how do we find out what they mean to us?
and one thing that has been on my mind how did some people get what the number mean?
as for me I will stick to the teachings of Christ. with all my hearth I feel he is the key to everything
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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Geoff » Fri May 22, 2015 4:23 pm

Big lion wrote: as for me I will stick to the teachings of Christ. with all my hearth I feel he is the key to everything
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Dear Big Lion,

Well yes this is actually the best thing you can do, but the problem is not simple, because most of those who claim to know what Jesus taught, do not know. For that you have to rely on revelation - spirit communication. And that requires you to learn discernment - how to tell what is true, and what is not.

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Big lion » Tue May 26, 2015 3:12 pm

thank for your reply Geoff,
im not saying that I know Jesus taught, but would love to. I have had quite a few revelation in the heavens. in some of my dreams/visions I have been taught how to fly to the heavens and I have met a lot of different creations (life) up there. I have spoken to them without using my mouth. I was also shown the start of the rapture with a guide. I saw all kinds of destruction. I also heard a voice that was everywhere but came from no were (hard to explain) saying "who does not believe in the lord will die" as huge bolder of fire started to hit the earth.
Geoff I know im blessed. what im looking for is how to get a closer to Jesus and how to communicate on a daily basis
how do I learn about discernment?
im still doing the silent meditation that Sandy told me about. having been doing it long. I need patience, but I want it so bad

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Re: The Bhagavad Gita

Post by Geoff » Tue May 26, 2015 4:34 pm

Dear Big Lion,

There are few shortcuts. You have to put the time in, however, the real trick is INTENTION. So yes Sandy's suggestion will bear fruit, but its not the meditative tricks people may teach you, but the DESIRE to CONNECT at a soul level with Father that will bring soul growth. But it is slow.

If you do it right, you will feel something. Well, I say you will, because many do but not all. In the Bible it is referred to as "a burning heart".
Now discernment is a direct outcome of soul growth. The MIND is not any real use, it needs something to start from. But once you enhance your soul perceptions, that is where communication and discernment will occur.

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